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	<title>Comments on: Novak + Rove = Plame Blame Game</title>
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		<title>By: Fishing Equipment</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/15/novak-rove-plame-blame-game/comment-page-1/#comment-8046</link>
		<dc:creator>Fishing Equipment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the previous post? I think that&#039;s an important note as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the previous post? I think that&#8217;s an important note as well.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;ThatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s still a crime people.&quot;

OOps.  That brush is a tad broad for the known facts, IMHO.  It&#039;s a crime if (1) the CIA employee is a covert CIA employee and (2) the confirmer knows that the CIA employee is covert and confirms their covert status.  Information leaked to date - since we haven&#039;t yet seen the actual testimony - doesn&#039;t indicate this was the case.

Novak obviously wasn&#039;t worried about mentioning Plame by name back in July of 2003 most likely because the thought probably never crossed his mind that Plame was &quot;covert&quot; - probably because, as Andrea Mitchell has mentioned, it was common knowledge that Wilson&#039;s wife was a CIA *employee*, and the fishing Novak did seems most likely intended to confirm *that* aspect.

Novak is still the instigator here, IMHO.  His July 14 piece could have made its point w/o mentioning Plame. Bringing her into the picture seems like it was done solely to play up a CIA vs. WH angle, as well as to cast doubt on Wilson&#039;s credibility, and Novak&#039;s choice of the colorful term &quot;operative&quot; instead of &quot;analyst&quot; is a huge part of what has fed the hyperbole and obscured what I believe was the real problem here: Wilson&#039;s erroneous assumptions about what was done with the information he provided on Niger.

Those assumptions, and Wilson&#039;s subsequent erroneous perception that his words had been twisted by the WH, are the only real part of this entire affair, IMHO, and constitute a simple - but ultimately very incendiary - misunderstanding.  And this is easy to see in Wilson&#039;s statement to Novak: &quot;The story was never me ... it was always the statement in (Bush&#039;s) speech.&quot;

The Plame angle and ensuing blame game over publication of her status (to date I have yet to see any final confirmation that she was &quot;covert&quot;) has obscured all this, and I think that started happening on purpose - focusing on a crime related to Plame&#039;s &quot;outing&quot; rather than Wilson&#039;s erroroneous assumptions - as soon as the Bush-hating side of the media realized they could use it to get at the administration, and now Rove specifically, and further erode support for a successful outcome in Iraq.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ThatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s still a crime people.&#8221;</p>
<p>OOps.  That brush is a tad broad for the known facts, IMHO.  It&#8217;s a crime if (1) the CIA employee is a covert CIA employee and (2) the confirmer knows that the CIA employee is covert and confirms their covert status.  Information leaked to date &#8211; since we haven&#8217;t yet seen the actual testimony &#8211; doesn&#8217;t indicate this was the case.</p>
<p>Novak obviously wasn&#8217;t worried about mentioning Plame by name back in July of 2003 most likely because the thought probably never crossed his mind that Plame was &#8220;covert&#8221; &#8211; probably because, as Andrea Mitchell has mentioned, it was common knowledge that Wilson&#8217;s wife was a CIA *employee*, and the fishing Novak did seems most likely intended to confirm *that* aspect.</p>
<p>Novak is still the instigator here, IMHO.  His July 14 piece could have made its point w/o mentioning Plame. Bringing her into the picture seems like it was done solely to play up a CIA vs. WH angle, as well as to cast doubt on Wilson&#8217;s credibility, and Novak&#8217;s choice of the colorful term &#8220;operative&#8221; instead of &#8220;analyst&#8221; is a huge part of what has fed the hyperbole and obscured what I believe was the real problem here: Wilson&#8217;s erroneous assumptions about what was done with the information he provided on Niger.</p>
<p>Those assumptions, and Wilson&#8217;s subsequent erroneous perception that his words had been twisted by the WH, are the only real part of this entire affair, IMHO, and constitute a simple &#8211; but ultimately very incendiary &#8211; misunderstanding.  And this is easy to see in Wilson&#8217;s statement to Novak: &#8220;The story was never me &#8230; it was always the statement in (Bush&#8217;s) speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Plame angle and ensuing blame game over publication of her status (to date I have yet to see any final confirmation that she was &#8220;covert&#8221;) has obscured all this, and I think that started happening on purpose &#8211; focusing on a crime related to Plame&#8217;s &#8220;outing&#8221; rather than Wilson&#8217;s erroroneous assumptions &#8211; as soon as the Bush-hating side of the media realized they could use it to get at the administration, and now Rove specifically, and further erode support for a successful outcome in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Pouncer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pouncer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m becoming increasingly aghast at what -- apparently -- common journalistic practice accepts as &quot;confirmation&quot;.

A journalist reads aloud over the telephone a document from one source to another source who had previously said &quot;X&quot;.  The document says &quot;Y&quot;.  The second source says of the document: &quot;Well, if that&#039;s what he wrote then that&#039;s what he felt&quot;.   The journalist then claims that the second source CONFIRMS THE DOCUMENT?   

A journalist hears than an investigation will reveal several  improprieties and calls a source who might be privvy to the data to get confirmation.  The source says alleged impropriety number 3 is unsubstantiated.   So the journalist reports allegations 1 thru N, omitting allegation 3, as CONFIRMED? 

A journalist hears rumor X and from source 1 and calls source 2, dropping the rumor into the middle of another conversation.  Source 2 says, &quot;Yeah, I&#039;ve heard that too.&quot;  And so the journalist reports the story as CONFIRMED? 

&quot;You keep using that word.  I do not believe it means what you think it does.&quot; 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m becoming increasingly aghast at what &#8212; apparently &#8212; common journalistic practice accepts as &#8220;confirmation&#8221;.</p>
<p>A journalist reads aloud over the telephone a document from one source to another source who had previously said &#8220;X&#8221;.  The document says &#8220;Y&#8221;.  The second source says of the document: &#8220;Well, if that&#8217;s what he wrote then that&#8217;s what he felt&#8221;.   The journalist then claims that the second source CONFIRMS THE DOCUMENT?   </p>
<p>A journalist hears than an investigation will reveal several  improprieties and calls a source who might be privvy to the data to get confirmation.  The source says alleged impropriety number 3 is unsubstantiated.   So the journalist reports allegations 1 thru N, omitting allegation 3, as CONFIRMED? </p>
<p>A journalist hears rumor X and from source 1 and calls source 2, dropping the rumor into the middle of another conversation.  Source 2 says, &#8220;Yeah, I&#8217;ve heard that too.&#8221;  And so the journalist reports the story as CONFIRMED? </p>
<p>&#8220;You keep using that word.  I do not believe it means what you think it does.&#8221;</p>
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