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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Pouncer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/16/callimachus-tells-us-about-the-reporters-life/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Pouncer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gahd this is depressing.

Tell me, then.  Suppose a source is bound by rules or law not to comment -- to do his or her best to neither confirm nor deny.  Lots of situations like that from your hospital desk to the Oval Office.

So Nurse Rove answers the hospital phone and you ask about Medicade policy and then as a &quot;by the way&quot; sort of change of topic you ask: &quot;Oh, did Joe Wilson&#039;s widow use his name or her maiden name?&quot; 

And Nurse Rove says:  &quot;So, you heard that he died, huh?  Well, I&#039;m not allowed to comment on that -- I&#039;ve probably said too much already. Anyhow, if you have anymore Medicare questions, call. Gotta go.  Bye.&quot; 

What does that mean to a reporter?  Honestly?  I don&#039;t see that as confirmation -- I really don&#039;t see that.  I _DO_ see how tone of voice and rhythm and all could convey more or less shading to the topic.  But I don&#039;t see how a journalist would be willing to go out and hang his name on a report with no more &quot;confirmation&quot; than a source&#039;s echo-statement showing that the implications of the question are clear. 

What are the payoff/penalty schemes that would lead to a journalist risking being wrong so badly? 

It seems to me that the payoff -- getting the scoop on the &quot;widow Wilson&quot; - -  must be hugely more consequential than the penality for false reports and --in this example -- premature obituaries.   Would a reporter ever be fined a day or week&#039;s pay for screwing up such a report?  Is there any penalty at all? 

Should there be? 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gahd this is depressing.</p>
<p>Tell me, then.  Suppose a source is bound by rules or law not to comment &#8212; to do his or her best to neither confirm nor deny.  Lots of situations like that from your hospital desk to the Oval Office.</p>
<p>So Nurse Rove answers the hospital phone and you ask about Medicade policy and then as a &#8220;by the way&#8221; sort of change of topic you ask: &#8220;Oh, did Joe Wilson&#8217;s widow use his name or her maiden name?&#8221; </p>
<p>And Nurse Rove says:  &#8220;So, you heard that he died, huh?  Well, I&#8217;m not allowed to comment on that &#8212; I&#8217;ve probably said too much already. Anyhow, if you have anymore Medicare questions, call. Gotta go.  Bye.&#8221; </p>
<p>What does that mean to a reporter?  Honestly?  I don&#8217;t see that as confirmation &#8212; I really don&#8217;t see that.  I _DO_ see how tone of voice and rhythm and all could convey more or less shading to the topic.  But I don&#8217;t see how a journalist would be willing to go out and hang his name on a report with no more &#8220;confirmation&#8221; than a source&#8217;s echo-statement showing that the implications of the question are clear. </p>
<p>What are the payoff/penalty schemes that would lead to a journalist risking being wrong so badly? </p>
<p>It seems to me that the payoff &#8212; getting the scoop on the &#8220;widow Wilson&#8221; &#8211; -  must be hugely more consequential than the penality for false reports and &#8211;in this example &#8212; premature obituaries.   Would a reporter ever be fined a day or week&#8217;s pay for screwing up such a report?  Is there any penalty at all? </p>
<p>Should there be?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Totten</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/16/callimachus-tells-us-about-the-reporters-life/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Totten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are ways around this. One dear little old lady I worked with used to say, at that point, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œIf you did have a comment, what would it be?ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? And half the time the source started talking. I swear to God, they were that dense.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s just priceless. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are ways around this. One dear little old lady I worked with used to say, at that point, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œIf you did have a comment, what would it be?ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? And half the time the source started talking. I swear to God, they were that dense.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s just priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably me who&#039;s out of touch. I&#039;ve been working in the sausage factory too long. And especially since 9/11, the mass of journalists I see and interact with have been magnetically drawn to the Chomsky-Michael Moore pole of U.S. politics and I haven&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably me who&#8217;s out of touch. I&#8217;ve been working in the sausage factory too long. And especially since 9/11, the mass of journalists I see and interact with have been magnetically drawn to the Chomsky-Michael Moore pole of U.S. politics and I haven&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/16/callimachus-tells-us-about-the-reporters-life/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It seems, based on the articles that reporters write about journalism, that the profession still, bless its black little heart, has a heroic self image. Is that all tongue in cheek? Or is it just that the sort of person who writes an article about the ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œsoul of journalismÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? is completely out of touch as a general rule?&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t (yet) have any personal experience with newsroom journalists, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poynter.org/profile/profile.asp?user=102644&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jay Rosen&lt;/a&gt;, professor and former department chair of Journalism at NYU, does.  Over at his blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PressThink&lt;/a&gt; (another of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2005/07/15/must-read-item-of-the-day-joe-wilson-on-blitzers-show/#comment-186&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;must-reads&lt;/a&gt;), he has an ongoing series - &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/01/07/press_religion.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Journalism Is Itself A Religion&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/06/05/wtrg_js.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deep Throat, J-School and Newsroom Religion&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; and &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/06/10/frkn_nro.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;When I&#039;m Reporting, I&#039;m A Citizen Of The World&#039;&lt;/a&gt;&quot; - that I think will prove very helpful in answering your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems, based on the articles that reporters write about journalism, that the profession still, bless its black little heart, has a heroic self image. Is that all tongue in cheek? Or is it just that the sort of person who writes an article about the ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œsoul of journalismÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? is completely out of touch as a general rule?</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t (yet) have any personal experience with newsroom journalists, but <a href="http://www.poynter.org/profile/profile.asp?user=102644" rel="nofollow">Jay Rosen</a>, professor and former department chair of Journalism at NYU, does.  Over at his blog, <a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/" rel="nofollow">PressThink</a> (another of my <a href="http://donklephant.com/2005/07/15/must-read-item-of-the-day-joe-wilson-on-blitzers-show/#comment-186" rel="nofollow">must-reads</a>), he has an ongoing series &#8211; &#8220;<a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2004/01/07/press_religion.html" rel="nofollow">Journalism Is Itself A Religion</a>,&#8221; &#8220;<a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/06/05/wtrg_js.html" rel="nofollow">Deep Throat, J-School and Newsroom Religion</a>,&#8221; and &#8220;<a href="http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2005/06/10/frkn_nro.html" >&#8216;When I&#8217;m Reporting, I&#8217;m A Citizen Of The World&#8217;</a>&#8221; &#8211; that I think will prove very helpful in answering your question.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But nobody ever insulted a journalist by calling him a snake and an idiot.&quot;

Have reporters started to internalize the general feeling about them (brainless TV egos and/or amoral potentially traitorous bottom feeders), in the same way that lawyers have?  Most of my friends who are lawyers have the best lawyer jokes, just to show that they know them, and are ok with being scum.   Did I say &#039;friends&#039;?  Anyway,

It seems, based on the articles that reporters write about journalism, that the profession still, bless its black little heart, has a heroic self image.  Is that all tongue in cheek?  Or is it just that the sort of person who writes an article about the &quot;soul of journalism&quot; is completely out of touch as a general rule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But nobody ever insulted a journalist by calling him a snake and an idiot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have reporters started to internalize the general feeling about them (brainless TV egos and/or amoral potentially traitorous bottom feeders), in the same way that lawyers have?  Most of my friends who are lawyers have the best lawyer jokes, just to show that they know them, and are ok with being scum.   Did I say &#8216;friends&#8217;?  Anyway,</p>
<p>It seems, based on the articles that reporters write about journalism, that the profession still, bless its black little heart, has a heroic self image.  Is that all tongue in cheek?  Or is it just that the sort of person who writes an article about the &#8220;soul of journalism&#8221; is completely out of touch as a general rule?</p>
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