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	<title>Comments on: I Hope I&#8217;m Not Missing the Point</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/19/i-hope-im-not-missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Truth is paramount.  

Truth truth, not &quot;political truth.&quot;  I have no use for that.  I will not build a case based on a Liberal &quot;political truth&quot; any more than I will accept a Conservative &quot;political truth&quot; as refutation (or is it refutal?) of same case.

Objective truth isn&#039;t debatable.  But rather the conclusions we draw from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Truth is paramount.  </p>
<p>Truth truth, not &#8220;political truth.&#8221;  I have no use for that.  I will not build a case based on a Liberal &#8220;political truth&#8221; any more than I will accept a Conservative &#8220;political truth&#8221; as refutation (or is it refutal?) of same case.</p>
<p>Objective truth isn&#8217;t debatable.  But rather the conclusions we draw from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/19/i-hope-im-not-missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Callimachus.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;But the goal of understanding the other position isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t always conducive to an understanding of the truth of the matter. And the quest for truth often requires you to ride roughshod over your opponentÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s easy assumptions ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬? and your own.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We need to make sure this doesn&#039;t turn into an echo chamber, and so far I feel the debate is healthy and balanced, unlike places like Daily Kos and LGF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Callimachus.<br />
<blockquote><i>But the goal of understanding the other position isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t always conducive to an understanding of the truth of the matter. And the quest for truth often requires you to ride roughshod over your opponentÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s easy assumptions ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬? and your own.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>We need to make sure this doesn&#8217;t turn into an echo chamber, and so far I feel the debate is healthy and balanced, unlike places like Daily Kos and LGF.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/19/i-hope-im-not-missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we&#039;re not so far apart. My &quot;Political Compass&quot; score was Economic: Left/Right: -0.75, Social: Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77, and my nearest neighbors on the chart seem to be the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, Mozart, and Gandhi. Or else the test is still a bit crude and dumps disparate political types into that same southwest quadrant.

One of the challenges of &quot;Centrist&quot; is that it can embody two conflicting concepts, as Montag shows here:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Rather than strive toward a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œcentristÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? position, IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d hoped to ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œfind the common groundÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? from which to discuss the issues of politics in a civil way; where the goal of argument is not victory, but better understanding. To participate in a conversation where both sides are more interested in the truth than in rhetorical victory for their own view; and the goal is for each to better understand and respect the othersÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ view.&lt;/i&gt;
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But the goal of understanding the other position isn&#039;t always conducive to an understanding of the truth of the matter. And the quest for truth often requires you to ride roughshod over your opponent&#039;s easy assumptions -- and your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we&#8217;re not so far apart. My &#8220;Political Compass&#8221; score was Economic: Left/Right: -0.75, Social: Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77, and my nearest neighbors on the chart seem to be the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, Mozart, and Gandhi. Or else the test is still a bit crude and dumps disparate political types into that same southwest quadrant.</p>
<p>One of the challenges of &#8220;Centrist&#8221; is that it can embody two conflicting concepts, as Montag shows here:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Rather than strive toward a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œcentristÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? position, IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d hoped to ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œfind the common groundÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? from which to discuss the issues of politics in a civil way; where the goal of argument is not victory, but better understanding. To participate in a conversation where both sides are more interested in the truth than in rhetorical victory for their own view; and the goal is for each to better understand and respect the othersÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ view.</i>
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<p>But the goal of understanding the other position isn&#8217;t always conducive to an understanding of the truth of the matter. And the quest for truth often requires you to ride roughshod over your opponent&#8217;s easy assumptions &#8212; and your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/19/i-hope-im-not-missing-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not missing the point. In fact, you &quot;get it&quot; quite well.

The reason for a centrist blog is not to agree on every issue. In fact, I think you and Callimachus are much less centrist than Michael, myself and Cicero. And J. Thomas Duffy, well, he&#039;s just going to make fun of anybody he can.

But I think you&#039;re right when you say a centrist is somebody who looks beyond the talking points and marketing. Seperating the wheat from the chaff. 

However, I also think how people define &quot;centrist&quot; varies quite a bit. So let&#039;s see what shakes out on this blog and go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not missing the point. In fact, you &#8220;get it&#8221; quite well.</p>
<p>The reason for a centrist blog is not to agree on every issue. In fact, I think you and Callimachus are much less centrist than Michael, myself and Cicero. And J. Thomas Duffy, well, he&#8217;s just going to make fun of anybody he can.</p>
<p>But I think you&#8217;re right when you say a centrist is somebody who looks beyond the talking points and marketing. Seperating the wheat from the chaff. </p>
<p>However, I also think how people define &#8220;centrist&#8221; varies quite a bit. So let&#8217;s see what shakes out on this blog and go from there.</p>
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