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	<title>Comments on: Do GOP Leaders Need Spanish Lessons?</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/26/do-gop-leaders-need-spanish-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at their report, I can only conclude that the "key votes" were highly selected to reach the desired outcome.

This is classic move by idealogues:  (1) redefine words to mean what you want, then (2) come to conclusions that you have predefined and preordained.    Then of course push your results as some great revelation.

The whole consular card issue (included in one of the "key votes") is a stellar example: groups like LaRaza oppose it because it is against *their* agenda, whether or not is is good for the country as a whole (latino and non-latino.)

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at their report, I can only conclude that the &#8220;key votes&#8221; were highly selected to reach the desired outcome.</p>
<p>This is classic move by idealogues:  (1) redefine words to mean what you want, then (2) come to conclusions that you have predefined and preordained.    Then of course push your results as some great revelation.</p>
<p>The whole consular card issue (included in one of the &#8220;key votes&#8221;) is a stellar example: groups like LaRaza oppose it because it is against *their* agenda, whether or not is is good for the country as a whole (latino and non-latino.)</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;One thing that jumps out at me is the number of issues theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve chosen for the scorecard that focus on undocumented aliens, foreign nationals, and non-English speakers. Naturally that is a concern for a great many Hispanics, but as more and more Hispanics in America move into the middle class and achieve high proficiency in English, I wonder if itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s totally representative.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree in theory, but I'd rather see a poll that demonstrates that. I would be completely guessing if that's the case.

However, a good portion of our economy is propped up by this "hidden" labor force, and I can't imagine that the legal Hispanic population turns a blind eye towards them. It's probably the opposite in fact.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s with the Ã¢â‚¬Å“Marriage Protection ActÃ¢â‚¬Â? being part of the ranking? How on earth is that Ã¢â‚¬â€? or one opinion about that Ã¢â‚¬â€? a measure of Hispanic sympathies?

Other things seem curiously omitted. How did Congressmen vote on health plans that included tax breaks for small businesses? Hispanics are forming small businesses at three times the rate of the rest of the country. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They said in their methodology that the issues had to be reached by a consensus of the members that conducted the study, so further details would have to be gleaned from who those people are and where their politics lie.

In any event, I presented it because the gap seemed pretty wide. And given the GOP said it was a priority to reach out to Hispanic voters, those numbers are pretty poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>One thing that jumps out at me is the number of issues theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve chosen for the scorecard that focus on undocumented aliens, foreign nationals, and non-English speakers. Naturally that is a concern for a great many Hispanics, but as more and more Hispanics in America move into the middle class and achieve high proficiency in English, I wonder if itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s totally representative.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I agree in theory, but I&#8217;d rather see a poll that demonstrates that. I would be completely guessing if that&#8217;s the case.</p>
<p>However, a good portion of our economy is propped up by this &#8220;hidden&#8221; labor force, and I can&#8217;t imagine that the legal Hispanic population turns a blind eye towards them. It&#8217;s probably the opposite in fact.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>And whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s with the Ã¢â‚¬Å“Marriage Protection ActÃ¢â‚¬Â? being part of the ranking? How on earth is that Ã¢â‚¬â€? or one opinion about that Ã¢â‚¬â€? a measure of Hispanic sympathies?</p>
<p>Other things seem curiously omitted. How did Congressmen vote on health plans that included tax breaks for small businesses? Hispanics are forming small businesses at three times the rate of the rest of the country. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>They said in their methodology that the issues had to be reached by a consensus of the members that conducted the study, so further details would have to be gleaned from who those people are and where their politics lie.</p>
<p>In any event, I presented it because the gap seemed pretty wide. And given the GOP said it was a priority to reach out to Hispanic voters, those numbers are pretty poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting report. One thing that jumps out at me is the number of issues they've chosen for the scorecard that focus on undocumented aliens, foreign nationals, and non-English speakers. Naturally that is a concern for a great many Hispanics, but as more and more Hispanics in America move into the middle class and achieve high proficiency in English, I wonder if it's totally representative.

Same with issues concerning things like access to DNA testing for federal inmates. I know many Hispanics are in the prison population, but isn't there more to the 32-million member minority than that?

And what's with the "Marriage Protection Act" being part of the ranking? How on earth is that -- or one opinion about that -- a measure of Hispanic sympathies?

Other things seem curiously omitted. How did Congressmen vote on health plans that included tax breaks for small businesses? Hispanics are forming small businesses at three times the rate of the rest of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting report. One thing that jumps out at me is the number of issues they&#8217;ve chosen for the scorecard that focus on undocumented aliens, foreign nationals, and non-English speakers. Naturally that is a concern for a great many Hispanics, but as more and more Hispanics in America move into the middle class and achieve high proficiency in English, I wonder if it&#8217;s totally representative.</p>
<p>Same with issues concerning things like access to DNA testing for federal inmates. I know many Hispanics are in the prison population, but isn&#8217;t there more to the 32-million member minority than that?</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s with the &#8220;Marriage Protection Act&#8221; being part of the ranking? How on earth is that &#8212; or one opinion about that &#8212; a measure of Hispanic sympathies?</p>
<p>Other things seem curiously omitted. How did Congressmen vote on health plans that included tax breaks for small businesses? Hispanics are forming small businesses at three times the rate of the rest of the country.</p>
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