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“Certainly not the group of “moderateâ€Â? Muslim clerics and imams who gathered in London last week to issue a statement on terrorism and their faith. When asked the question “Are suicide bombings always a violation of Islam,â€Â? they could not answer “Yes. Alwaysâ€Â? Instead, these “moderate British Muslimsâ€Â? had to answer “It depends.â€Â?

Why “It Depends”? Because suicide bombings are very difficult to stop and the current Palestinian militant groups have no solution other then to take their own lives and of the others because of the “Sophisticated weaponsâ€Â? that the Israeli army posses. Stones against bullets don’t work, when you have lost half of your family or some loved one and there is no hope for a better future but to live under the occupation of Israeli forces, this is a story of almost every second household in Palestine and the Palestinians would keep using these sort of means but it does not imply that Palestinians should bomb the civilians or Jews but they should rather hit out the Israeli soldiers, meanwhile the peace loving Jew citizens should take up the matter with Israeli Government to solve this issue once and for all. Michael Graham needs to take some memory pills and should probe into all these political matters and only then he should issue a statement.

The solution to all these problems is a conclusive dialogue being held on regular basis between the followers of different religions to sort out the differences and settle the pending issues peacefully, while respecting the demographic boundaries of all the Muslim states and that the religious sentiments must be respected by all in large.

In a SHTF situation like that, what do you think the reaction is going to be – another outcry for an independent investigation? Requests for more documents?? Congressional hearings? No. You’re going to see riots in the streets. You’re going to see self-serving politicians like John Edwards going on public record, saying exactly what he thinks ‘the People’ want to hear at that instant: “I think *Islam* is the most serious and imminent threat to our country,â€Â? just as he did with *Iraq*.

I could continue to address your points, but after reading this, I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere. You clearly believe something very, very, very different than me.

Respectfully, let’s move on.

There’s nothing “thinly veiled” about what Lindsey is saying. He is describing a very specific, very extreme set of circumstances that amounts to a life-threatening act of terrorist violence against one group by another group. In a SHTF situation like that, what do you think the reaction is going to be – another outcry for an independent investigation? Requests for more documents?? Congressional hearings? No. You’re going to see riots in the streets. You’re going to see self-serving politicians like John Edwards going on public record, saying exactly what he thinks ‘the People’ want to hear at that instant: “I think *Islam* is the most serious and imminent threat to our country,” just as he did with *Iraq*.

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Lindsey is simply describing what he already knows about human nature. You will have a mob. And mobs do ugly, insane, irrational, destructive things. Both he, and Graham, are trying to use the media at their disposal to convince peaceful Muslims that THEY need to get involved in ensuring it doesn’t come to that.

Since you brought it up, I note that Lindsey’s web site and “agenda” – so far – have not inspired him or others of his faith to fly airliners into skyscrapers, detonate nail-encrusted IEDs in crowded subways, drive car bombs into schools, incite others to do likewise OR defend those who have. However, if we give equal consideration to the agenda indicated by CAIR’s origins and past actions, enumerated here

http://tinyurl.com/8httf

it’s hard to make the same claim about them.

Islamist terrorism is based on a religious justification: a literal reading of Islam’s holy text, the Qur’an. Like it or not, Muslims who peacefully follow the islamic religion are stuck with this fact whether they agree with that interpretation or not. They’re also stuck with the fact that the terrorists who’ve murdered in the name of Allah come from their ranks. It’s a sh!tty deal, but those are the facts. They can either choose to deal with them – directly, continuously, loudly and consistently – or they can continue to vacillate, equivocate and attack those who point out the failings of their religious institutions, like CAIR has.

“”The term ‘civilians’ does not exist in Islamic religious law. Dr. Karmi is sitting here, and I am sitting here, and I’m familiar with religious law. There is no such term as ‘civilians’ in the modern Western sense. People are either of Dar Al-Harb or not.”
– Dr. Hani Al-Siba’i – http://tinyurl.com/d6v79

As for Graham’s statements, you may not like the way he said what he said, but his analysis and the reasons for his conclusion were 100% accurate, particularly in light of the above. The frustration that led to his outburst is not isolated to him. And it’s not isolated to the thousands of folks who’ve expressed support for him, either.

** Men in Black

You read the Hal Lindsey and you think it’s quite clear. I read it and actually agree with CAIR. It seems like a very thinly veiled threat, especially given the last line. An unstoppable Holocaust? I know I certainly won’t be going into Muslim communities and creating an unstoppable Holocaust. In fact, I’ll do everything I can to stop that from happening. This goes back to my main point. When we target these communities as a whole, instead of the individual perpetrators, we are doing evil.

Also, from looking at his website, Hal Lindsey is quite religious, has a very clear agenda and that just adds another layer of icing on top of the cake. And the site he posted that commentary on also says that Bin Laden is hiding in China with the government’s unofficial permission. Forgive me if I discount Lindsey’s fiery rhetoric/commentary as a result.

Concerning Callimachus’ previous statement, I understand what he’s saying, but I think CAIR looks at this situation the same way Callimachus looks at situations where somebody isn’t trying to add to the conversation. Given that, their response is completely understandable, and Graham’s statement is (and I’ll say this again) absolutely, 100% wrong. Islam is not a terrorist organization, goy. Islam is a religion. Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization and I refuse to acknowledge anything to the contrary. Graham was an idiot for making the point the way he did. Maybe his intentions were honorable and maybe he did want to just open up a conversation, but given how much the Muslim community has been on the defensive these last several years, I completely understand why CAIR would try to drop the hammer on somebody saying such an idiotic thing.

CAIR, I think, does itself and the Muslims it claims to represent no favors by attacking Graham instead of engaging him. In essence, CAIR is doing exactly what they claim Graham is doing: attacking him personally. Even if he truly is a bigot, which I don’t believe he is, I think Callimachus’ earlier point is applicable here. If he’s wrong, I think the process of demonstrating that will help all concerned. If he’s not wrong, that’s valuable information too, and points back to increased Muslim involvement being critical to resolution of the issue. What I really suspect is that the truth is somewhere in between, and we won’t find that spot when one side is muzzling the other.

Read CAIR’s site. As a simple example, they mischaracterize Hal Lindsey’s *warning* of inevitable retribution in a specific set of circumstances as being a *threat* of retribution. There’s a huge difference.

http://tinyurl.com/8fz2n

It’s quite clear what Lindsey is saying here, yet CAIR chooses to misrepresent it as incitement. That’s not helping. And that sort of transparent self-delusion by the Islamic leadership (if CAIR embodies Muslim leadership) is exactly the sort of problem Graham is trying to draw attention to. And that certainly doesn’t raise the credibility of their fatwa against terrorism of ‘civilians’.