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		<title>By: Staci</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-254473</link>
		<dc:creator>Staci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This information is anecdotal, but it is nevertheless valuable.  

In my own childhood, financial support in addition to my parents&#039; earnings made a substantial impact.  I will share with you the story of one year, as an example.

First, let&#039;s consider the government assistance we received.  At one point, my family of four was joined by my uncle&#039;s family of four because neither male head of household could find work.  The eight of us lived in a three-bedroom, one-bathroom house, which my family owned.  My father and uncle traveled to various cities to find work, and when they found it, they lived in their cars, worked, and sent their pay home to us.  The women and children stayed in our house and the women waited tables.  It was during this very difficult period that my family drew Food Stamps.  We were ashamed.  But we were doing the best we could.

Eventually, the economy improved and my father and uncle could find work.  My uncle&#039;s family moved back to the state where they normally lived.  We were normal again.  We didn&#039;t need government help anymore.  We were grateful that it was there during the year that we were so hungry.

Let us consider handouts from individuals. During that year, our furnace often broke.  Even when it worked, we did not have money for oil.  Kind friends let us cut wood on their land.  My mother and father and uncle cut wood on the weekends that the men came home from other cities.  We slept on the living room floor near the woodstove.  During that hard year, our grandparents came each weekend.  They brought us socks and underwear and school supplies.  At Christmas, they made sure Santa came.  

Eventually, my parents were able to support us again, and we did not need our friends&#039; or my grandparents&#039; help.  We were grateful that they helped us when we needed them so much.

Let us consider the stranger who gave in silence.  As a teenager, living in what was usually poverty, but occasionally just struggle, I was invited to apply for a scholarship at a small private school.  From that private school, I went on to graduate from one of the most prestigious universities in the US.  The thousands of dollars donated by an anonymous Good Samaritan changed my life. 

My childhood was a seesaw of dependency and self-sufficiency, until eventually, because of the kindness of others, I was able to pull myself up and out of the struggle.  Without &quot;donations&quot;, I would still be living hand-to-mouth.

My children do not know hunger.  My children do not know cold nights on hard floors.  We are solidly, happily, productively middle class.

Giving matters.  And it gets results.

As once was given to me, I give in my talents, my time, and my funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This information is anecdotal, but it is nevertheless valuable.  </p>
<p>In my own childhood, financial support in addition to my parents&#8217; earnings made a substantial impact.  I will share with you the story of one year, as an example.</p>
<p>First, let&#8217;s consider the government assistance we received.  At one point, my family of four was joined by my uncle&#8217;s family of four because neither male head of household could find work.  The eight of us lived in a three-bedroom, one-bathroom house, which my family owned.  My father and uncle traveled to various cities to find work, and when they found it, they lived in their cars, worked, and sent their pay home to us.  The women and children stayed in our house and the women waited tables.  It was during this very difficult period that my family drew Food Stamps.  We were ashamed.  But we were doing the best we could.</p>
<p>Eventually, the economy improved and my father and uncle could find work.  My uncle&#8217;s family moved back to the state where they normally lived.  We were normal again.  We didn&#8217;t need government help anymore.  We were grateful that it was there during the year that we were so hungry.</p>
<p>Let us consider handouts from individuals. During that year, our furnace often broke.  Even when it worked, we did not have money for oil.  Kind friends let us cut wood on their land.  My mother and father and uncle cut wood on the weekends that the men came home from other cities.  We slept on the living room floor near the woodstove.  During that hard year, our grandparents came each weekend.  They brought us socks and underwear and school supplies.  At Christmas, they made sure Santa came.  </p>
<p>Eventually, my parents were able to support us again, and we did not need our friends&#8217; or my grandparents&#8217; help.  We were grateful that they helped us when we needed them so much.</p>
<p>Let us consider the stranger who gave in silence.  As a teenager, living in what was usually poverty, but occasionally just struggle, I was invited to apply for a scholarship at a small private school.  From that private school, I went on to graduate from one of the most prestigious universities in the US.  The thousands of dollars donated by an anonymous Good Samaritan changed my life. </p>
<p>My childhood was a seesaw of dependency and self-sufficiency, until eventually, because of the kindness of others, I was able to pull myself up and out of the struggle.  Without &#8220;donations&#8221;, I would still be living hand-to-mouth.</p>
<p>My children do not know hunger.  My children do not know cold nights on hard floors.  We are solidly, happily, productively middle class.</p>
<p>Giving matters.  And it gets results.</p>
<p>As once was given to me, I give in my talents, my time, and my funds.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly I think many or most in the US donate to charitable organizations as a salve to their conscience, and as a tax write-off.  A lot of Americans have the idea that they can fix any problem simply by throwing money at it, then go about their usual routine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I think many or most in the US donate to charitable organizations as a salve to their conscience, and as a tax write-off.  A lot of Americans have the idea that they can fix any problem simply by throwing money at it, then go about their usual routine.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already donate... like most Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already donate&#8230; like most Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we got rid of farm subsidies in the US and Europe, more would be done to combat poverty in Africa than all the money in the world and it would save taxpayers money as well.  Just don&#039;t tell that to the farmers and big agriculture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we got rid of farm subsidies in the US and Europe, more would be done to combat poverty in Africa than all the money in the world and it would save taxpayers money as well.  Just don&#8217;t tell that to the farmers and big agriculture.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 00:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Kris said is right on. Statements you often here like &quot;People in X make only $5/week&quot; are basically meaningless. Obviously you can buy a lot more with $5 there than you can here, and there are also probably a whole lot of non-monetary interactions (like raising of own crops or livestock) that go into the lifestyle. 

Merely calculating the amount in dollars of wages of people in other countries is pretty misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Kris said is right on. Statements you often here like &#8220;People in X make only $5/week&#8221; are basically meaningless. Obviously you can buy a lot more with $5 there than you can here, and there are also probably a whole lot of non-monetary interactions (like raising of own crops or livestock) that go into the lifestyle. </p>
<p>Merely calculating the amount in dollars of wages of people in other countries is pretty misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Donating&quot; is worse than stupid -- most goes to support corruption and even worse oppression.  Investing in a company that makes things in a poor country makes sense -- only profitable companies are &quot;sustainable&quot;.

I doubt that most in the top 10% (like $22 000?) would accept global taxation to equalize world incomes.  (Nor should they)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Donating&#8221; is worse than stupid &#8212; most goes to support corruption and even worse oppression.  Investing in a company that makes things in a poor country makes sense &#8212; only profitable companies are &#8220;sustainable&#8221;.</p>
<p>I doubt that most in the top 10% (like $22 000?) would accept global taxation to equalize world incomes.  (Nor should they)</p>
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		<title>By: Avi N.</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donating is just perpetuating the dependecy culture which maintains African poverty.
This whole guilt based philosophy should be replaced by real solutions - like building African self-reliance. Thanks Mike Koenecke for pointing this out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donating is just perpetuating the dependecy culture which maintains African poverty.<br />
This whole guilt based philosophy should be replaced by real solutions &#8211; like building African self-reliance. Thanks Mike Koenecke for pointing this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to quibble, but cost of living needs to be factored into this.  I doubt a person making $10,000 in the United States is living quite as well as someone making $10,000 (in dollars) in Chad or Haiti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to quibble, but cost of living needs to be factored into this.  I doubt a person making $10,000 in the United States is living quite as well as someone making $10,000 (in dollars) in Chad or Haiti.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Koenecke</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Koenecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A clarification: by &quot;worse&quot; I meant the situation in Africa is worse than the situation here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A clarification: by &#8220;worse&#8221; I meant the situation in Africa is worse than the situation here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Koenecke</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/07/30/global-rich-list/comment-page-1/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Koenecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, no. Given fairly recent analyses that have shown that aid donated to Africa has actually *exacerbated* the hunger problem, I think we need to take a hard look at whether giving money and food actually accomplishes anything other than making us feel virtuous. An African economist recently pointed out what should have been obvious all along: native crop growers cannot compete with &quot;free.&quot;

See http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html

It&#039;s similar to the &quot;War on Poverty&quot; here in the U.S., though worse: here, trillions have been spent over the years, but has anything really been accomplished?

We should be judging the merit of ideas and programs based upon results, rather than intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no. Given fairly recent analyses that have shown that aid donated to Africa has actually *exacerbated* the hunger problem, I think we need to take a hard look at whether giving money and food actually accomplishes anything other than making us feel virtuous. An African economist recently pointed out what should have been obvious all along: native crop growers cannot compete with &#8220;free.&#8221;</p>
<p>See <a href="http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to the &#8220;War on Poverty&#8221; here in the U.S., though worse: here, trillions have been spent over the years, but has anything really been accomplished?</p>
<p>We should be judging the merit of ideas and programs based upon results, rather than intentions.</p>
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