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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Official: &#8220;War On Terror&#8221; Name Stays</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Norton</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/04/its-official-war-on-terror-name-stays/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 05:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this politically correct nonsense is making me sick.  Let&#039;s call it what it is; a war against Islamism.  No, it is not a war against Islam, but against a totalitarian ideology based on Islam.  There is a difference, and if Bush was more articulate, maybe people would understand that.  (Or maybe I&#039;m being a little too rational).

Michael Totten had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000895.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; good post&lt;/a&gt; on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this politically correct nonsense is making me sick.  Let&#8217;s call it what it is; a war against Islamism.  No, it is not a war against Islam, but against a totalitarian ideology based on Islam.  There is a difference, and if Bush was more articulate, maybe people would understand that.  (Or maybe I&#8217;m being a little too rational).</p>
<p>Michael Totten had a <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000895.html" > good post</a> on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/04/its-official-war-on-terror-name-stays/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And of ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“terrorÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢? Yes, no doubt you can describe it as only a tactic and not a personified enemy, but it also has the advantage of being (1) accurate, and (2) probably the most neutral of the choices available. What else would you like to use? ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“Violant Islam?ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ That might also be accurate, but boy, that sure would stir the pot a bit, wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From my comment, it&#039;s obvious that I disagree that terror is a neutral term. In fact, I believe it&#039;s the most political charged term he could have used. And of course we wouldn&#039;t call it violent Islam. Come on. 

The terminology that they were thinking about adopting was wise because we certainly aren&#039;t going after groups like the IRA and such. Also, this &quot;war&quot; is going to go on a LONG time and we need to recognize that. Is anybody really ready for us to be at war for 50, 60, 70 years? Of course not, and eventually the War On Terror will become a joke, as it already has. We need to pick better terminology so people will start to understand how this is going to be a continual struggle against violent extremism. That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying and I feel it&#039;s a strong enough topic to blog about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>And of ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“terrorÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢? Yes, no doubt you can describe it as only a tactic and not a personified enemy, but it also has the advantage of being (1) accurate, and (2) probably the most neutral of the choices available. What else would you like to use? ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“Violant Islam?ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ That might also be accurate, but boy, that sure would stir the pot a bit, wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t it?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>From my comment, it&#8217;s obvious that I disagree that terror is a neutral term. In fact, I believe it&#8217;s the most political charged term he could have used. And of course we wouldn&#8217;t call it violent Islam. Come on. </p>
<p>The terminology that they were thinking about adopting was wise because we certainly aren&#8217;t going after groups like the IRA and such. Also, this &#8220;war&#8221; is going to go on a LONG time and we need to recognize that. Is anybody really ready for us to be at war for 50, 60, 70 years? Of course not, and eventually the War On Terror will become a joke, as it already has. We need to pick better terminology so people will start to understand how this is going to be a continual struggle against violent extremism. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying and I feel it&#8217;s a strong enough topic to blog about.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/04/its-official-war-on-terror-name-stays/comment-page-1/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, &#039;war&#039; and &#039;terror&#039; are emotionally charged terms, but I do not find that a reason to not use them!   If we are talking about something that ends the lives of thousands of people and causes great turmoil, perhaps it is accurate to use powerful words?

Besides the two examples already mentioned about using &#039;war&#039; (poverty, drugs), lets throw in &#039;the moral equivalent of war&#039;, used to describe the energy crisis in the 70&#039;s.   Problem with that term (&#039;moral equivalent&#039;) is that it really did fail to arouse the public, about an issue that was important then, and is of increasing relevance today.

So, there probably is no short phrase of catchy terms that can adequately address everything that is happening today, regarding all the complexities of modern terrorism and the US response to it.

An encyclopedic definition of war would include the concepts killing people and destroying things.   As that is currently happening all around us, it seems to me &#039;war&#039; is perfectly reasonable way to describe it.

And of &#039;terror&#039;?   Yes, no doubt you can describe it as only a tactic and not a personified enemy, but it also has the advantage of being (1) accurate, and (2) probably the most neutral of the choices available.    What else would you like to use?   &#039;Violant Islam?&#039;   That might also be accurate, but boy, that sure would stir the pot a bit, wouldn&#039;t it?

For better or worse, leave it as GWOT.    I for one can&#039;t come up with a workable alternative.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, &#8216;war&#8217; and &#8216;terror&#8217; are emotionally charged terms, but I do not find that a reason to not use them!   If we are talking about something that ends the lives of thousands of people and causes great turmoil, perhaps it is accurate to use powerful words?</p>
<p>Besides the two examples already mentioned about using &#8216;war&#8217; (poverty, drugs), lets throw in &#8216;the moral equivalent of war&#8217;, used to describe the energy crisis in the 70&#8242;s.   Problem with that term (&#8216;moral equivalent&#8217;) is that it really did fail to arouse the public, about an issue that was important then, and is of increasing relevance today.</p>
<p>So, there probably is no short phrase of catchy terms that can adequately address everything that is happening today, regarding all the complexities of modern terrorism and the US response to it.</p>
<p>An encyclopedic definition of war would include the concepts killing people and destroying things.   As that is currently happening all around us, it seems to me &#8216;war&#8217; is perfectly reasonable way to describe it.</p>
<p>And of &#8216;terror&#8217;?   Yes, no doubt you can describe it as only a tactic and not a personified enemy, but it also has the advantage of being (1) accurate, and (2) probably the most neutral of the choices available.    What else would you like to use?   &#8216;Violant Islam?&#8217;   That might also be accurate, but boy, that sure would stir the pot a bit, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>For better or worse, leave it as GWOT.    I for one can&#8217;t come up with a workable alternative.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/04/its-official-war-on-terror-name-stays/comment-page-1/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I gather, the main reason for Rumsfeld&#039;s new characterization of the conflict as a &quot;global struggle&quot; had nothing to do with the conflict&#039;s non-military aspects. Rather, it was because the conflict is beginning to look a lot like another Cold War - a long-term, ideologically driven global conflict that our &lt;b&gt;great&lt;/b&gt;-grandchildren may still be fighting - meaning that if it is a war, then the nation needs to be on a more or less permanent war footing, and the Bush administration is concerned (maybe a bit too cynically) that the American people aren&#039;t ready to accept that idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I gather, the main reason for Rumsfeld&#8217;s new characterization of the conflict as a &#8220;global struggle&#8221; had nothing to do with the conflict&#8217;s non-military aspects. Rather, it was because the conflict is beginning to look a lot like another Cold War &#8211; a long-term, ideologically driven global conflict that our <b>great</b>-grandchildren may still be fighting &#8211; meaning that if it is a war, then the nation needs to be on a more or less permanent war footing, and the Bush administration is concerned (maybe a bit too cynically) that the American people aren&#8217;t ready to accept that idea.</p>
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		<title>By: goy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gut response: this is *so* not news.  Well, unless one considers the administration in-fighting/confusion angle that the press is transparently trying to magnify (i.e., &quot;President Bush publicly overruled some of his top advisers&quot;).

This just goes to show that conservatives generally stink at &quot;politically correct&quot; newspeak, and should never give in to the temptation. ;-)

BTW, I don&#039;t recall anyone parsing stuff like this regarding the &quot;War on Poverty&quot; or the &quot;War on Drugs&quot;. And those were hardly wars - certainly not in the sense of defending yourself from someone who wants to blow you and your family into little pieces simply because you won&#039;t submit to dhimmitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gut response: this is *so* not news.  Well, unless one considers the administration in-fighting/confusion angle that the press is transparently trying to magnify (i.e., &#8220;President Bush publicly overruled some of his top advisers&#8221;).</p>
<p>This just goes to show that conservatives generally stink at &#8220;politically correct&#8221; newspeak, and should never give in to the temptation. ;-)</p>
<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t recall anyone parsing stuff like this regarding the &#8220;War on Poverty&#8221; or the &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221;. And those were hardly wars &#8211; certainly not in the sense of defending yourself from someone who wants to blow you and your family into little pieces simply because you won&#8217;t submit to dhimmitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/04/its-official-war-on-terror-name-stays/comment-page-1/#comment-910</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Changing the terminology was also somewhat of a vindication of &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/items/200508030001&quot; title=&quot;Media Matters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Kerry&#039;s campaign statements&lt;/a&gt; about the conflict.

I agree that the language is important.  Both the words &#039;war&#039; and &#039;terror&#039; carry a lot of weight, and the phrase is used to trigger an emotional response in the &#039;public mind.&#039;  

I prefer &quot;global struggle against violent extremism,&quot; as a more accurate characterization and less emotionally charged.  We need to keep a cool head to deal with this problem successfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changing the terminology was also somewhat of a vindication of <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200508030001" title="Media Matters" >John Kerry&#8217;s campaign statements</a> about the conflict.</p>
<p>I agree that the language is important.  Both the words &#8216;war&#8217; and &#8216;terror&#8217; carry a lot of weight, and the phrase is used to trigger an emotional response in the &#8216;public mind.&#8217;  </p>
<p>I prefer &#8220;global struggle against violent extremism,&#8221; as a more accurate characterization and less emotionally charged.  We need to keep a cool head to deal with this problem successfully.</p>
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