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		<title>By: Smith Anderson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/16/a-hybrid-car-that-gets-250-mpg/comment-page-1/#comment-414164</link>
		<dc:creator>Smith Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are losing jobs and homes at an alarming rate due to the energy crisis. The price of fuel has driven everything up from the increased production and shipping costs.  I have yet to hear more than a candy coated one liner from both candidates as to their  plans to bring Americans relief. Does either candidate even have a plan other than to spout off some oneliner about off shore drilling that will pacify a majority?

a couple of sites to share if you should be interested...

www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com

www.howmuchenergydoesmycaruse.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are losing jobs and homes at an alarming rate due to the energy crisis. The price of fuel has driven everything up from the increased production and shipping costs.  I have yet to hear more than a candy coated one liner from both candidates as to their  plans to bring Americans relief. Does either candidate even have a plan other than to spout off some oneliner about off shore drilling that will pacify a majority?</p>
<p>a couple of sites to share if you should be interested&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.howmuchenergydoesmycaruse.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.howmuchenergydoesmycaruse.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a really simple solution to gas prices, and the major car companies are finally starting the ball rolling. The answer = Hydrogen on Demand. Ford, BMW, Honda, and More are already rolling these out, but wait who wants to spend another $21,000. I want to drive my hummer and my mustang. And now I can. I got a easy to install Hydrogen On Demand Fuel kit from PASS, check out their website, it installed in an hour, and was 1/3 the cost of other HHO hydrogen on demand systems. I now am getting 42% better gas mileage in my hummer, and 38% more MPG in my mustang. See thier website. http://www.passonfuel.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a really simple solution to gas prices, and the major car companies are finally starting the ball rolling. The answer = Hydrogen on Demand. Ford, BMW, Honda, and More are already rolling these out, but wait who wants to spend another $21,000. I want to drive my hummer and my mustang. And now I can. I got a easy to install Hydrogen On Demand Fuel kit from PASS, check out their website, it installed in an hour, and was 1/3 the cost of other HHO hydrogen on demand systems. I now am getting 42% better gas mileage in my hummer, and 38% more MPG in my mustang. See thier website. <a href="http://www.passonfuel.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.passonfuel.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an educator I am always questioning claims of efficiency of this sort - the real test is Denver to Salt lake City - high altitude and high speed. We as a country need vehicles that perform in all conditions well and we need to appreciate our people haulers need to come in a variety of sizes all safe and efficient to meet the needs of a nation. It is still more fuel efficient to drive a full sized suv rather than take several compacts. i would hate to see us in the tiny European mode.

Future technology is interesting, ut as with the 70&#039;s we need to avoid loosing capability.  Perhaps mandating more AL as a product for trailers would also help with the toy haulers - or less toys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an educator I am always questioning claims of efficiency of this sort &#8211; the real test is Denver to Salt lake City &#8211; high altitude and high speed. We as a country need vehicles that perform in all conditions well and we need to appreciate our people haulers need to come in a variety of sizes all safe and efficient to meet the needs of a nation. It is still more fuel efficient to drive a full sized suv rather than take several compacts. i would hate to see us in the tiny European mode.</p>
<p>Future technology is interesting, ut as with the 70&#8217;s we need to avoid loosing capability.  Perhaps mandating more AL as a product for trailers would also help with the toy haulers &#8211; or less toys.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/16/a-hybrid-car-that-gets-250-mpg/comment-page-1/#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;UPDATE: Although the original article isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t linked in JustinÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s post, I found it on MSNBC. ThereÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s even a picture of the modification, and apparently the batteries are stored in a compartment beneath the trunk. So, I stand corrected about the car not being suitable for shopping and such.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fixed. Thanks for the heads up Joshua. Details!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>UPDATE: Although the original article isnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t linked in JustinÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s post, I found it on MSNBC. ThereÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s even a picture of the modification, and apparently the batteries are stored in a compartment beneath the trunk. So, I stand corrected about the car not being suitable for shopping and such.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Fixed. Thanks for the heads up Joshua. Details!</p>
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		<title>By: JonBuck</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/16/a-hybrid-car-that-gets-250-mpg/comment-page-1/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>JonBuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford:

Not only is it easier to make diesel, but diesel engines themselves are roughly 40% more efficient.  In other words, more of the energy contained in the fuel gets converted to motive force.  And the engines themselves are far more durable and last longer.

I just got a new Corolla... and I didn&#039;t know nearly as much about biodiesel in June as I do now.  I would have made a different choice in vehicles otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford:</p>
<p>Not only is it easier to make diesel, but diesel engines themselves are roughly 40% more efficient.  In other words, more of the energy contained in the fuel gets converted to motive force.  And the engines themselves are far more durable and last longer.</p>
<p>I just got a new Corolla&#8230; and I didn&#8217;t know nearly as much about biodiesel in June as I do now.  I would have made a different choice in vehicles otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: ford4x4</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/16/a-hybrid-car-that-gets-250-mpg/comment-page-1/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>ford4x4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that guy can fit 18 batteries in that little compartment,  I wonder how many I can put in the bed of my Ford F150....  How much of my beloved horsepower would I lose?  

Joshua,
Diesel is easier to refine than gasoline, and a barrel of oil will yield more diesel than gasoline.   Even though the nation is running at close to capacity in terms of diesel and gas refining,  wed still come out ahead if more non-commercial vehichles were switched to diesel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that guy can fit 18 batteries in that little compartment,  I wonder how many I can put in the bed of my Ford F150&#8230;.  How much of my beloved horsepower would I lose?  </p>
<p>Joshua,<br />
Diesel is easier to refine than gasoline, and a barrel of oil will yield more diesel than gasoline.   Even though the nation is running at close to capacity in terms of diesel and gas refining,  wed still come out ahead if more non-commercial vehichles were switched to diesel.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/16/a-hybrid-car-that-gets-250-mpg/comment-page-1/#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE: Although the original article isn&#039;t linked in Justin&#039;s post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8930811/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I found it on MSNBC&lt;/a&gt;. There&#039;s even a picture of the modification, and apparently the batteries are stored in a compartment beneath the trunk. So, I stand corrected about the car not being suitable for shopping and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: Although the original article isn&#8217;t linked in Justin&#8217;s post, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8930811/" rel="nofollow">I found it on MSNBC</a>. There&#8217;s even a picture of the modification, and apparently the batteries are stored in a compartment beneath the trunk. So, I stand corrected about the car not being suitable for shopping and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Apparently, some hybrid car owners are &lt;b&gt;hacking&lt;/b&gt; their cars to get amazing fuel effeciency.&lt;/i&gt; (Emphasis added.)

A minor quibble: &quot;Hacking&quot; (which has software connotations) probably isn&#039;t the proper term for these hardware-based modifications. &quot;Tricking out&quot; seems to be the preferred colloquialism for this sort of thing. (I know, there&#039;s also &quot;pimping&quot; - as in &lt;i&gt;Pimp My Ride&lt;/i&gt; - but that refers only to superfluous additions like DVD players and such. Besides, it sounds ridiculous.)

Anyway, my first thought is, has this guy patented his idea?

My second thought is that there is one small drawback to this idea: You have to sacrifice trunk space in order to do it, meaning the car isn&#039;t suitable for a lot of everyday stuff like shopping with the family (since you have no place to put all the stuff you buy). If this concept is incorporated into the next generation of hybrid vehicles, methinks they ought to put the extra batteries somewhere else.

&lt;i&gt;It is important also to develop diesel electric hybrids instead of gas electric. Diesels are much more efficient in the type of running typical in a hybrid vehicle and could boost efficiency.&lt;/i&gt;

There is one problem with that idea. There is already a large and growing demand for diesel fuel (for heavy trucks, industrial power generators and any number of other vehicles and systems). Diesel hybrid cars would only add to the existing demand for diesel and drive up its price, which would defeat the purpose of having hybrid engines. (Gasoline engines have no such &quot;competition&quot; for fuel, at least not on anything close to that scale.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Apparently, some hybrid car owners are <b>hacking</b> their cars to get amazing fuel effeciency.</i> (Emphasis added.)</p>
<p>A minor quibble: &#8220;Hacking&#8221; (which has software connotations) probably isn&#8217;t the proper term for these hardware-based modifications. &#8220;Tricking out&#8221; seems to be the preferred colloquialism for this sort of thing. (I know, there&#8217;s also &#8220;pimping&#8221; &#8211; as in <i>Pimp My Ride</i> &#8211; but that refers only to superfluous additions like DVD players and such. Besides, it sounds ridiculous.)</p>
<p>Anyway, my first thought is, has this guy patented his idea?</p>
<p>My second thought is that there is one small drawback to this idea: You have to sacrifice trunk space in order to do it, meaning the car isn&#8217;t suitable for a lot of everyday stuff like shopping with the family (since you have no place to put all the stuff you buy). If this concept is incorporated into the next generation of hybrid vehicles, methinks they ought to put the extra batteries somewhere else.</p>
<p><i>It is important also to develop diesel electric hybrids instead of gas electric. Diesels are much more efficient in the type of running typical in a hybrid vehicle and could boost efficiency.</i></p>
<p>There is one problem with that idea. There is already a large and growing demand for diesel fuel (for heavy trucks, industrial power generators and any number of other vehicles and systems). Diesel hybrid cars would only add to the existing demand for diesel and drive up its price, which would defeat the purpose of having hybrid engines. (Gasoline engines have no such &#8220;competition&#8221; for fuel, at least not on anything close to that scale.)</p>
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		<title>By: elgato</title>
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		<dc:creator>elgato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall, the figure of 250mpg is definitely misleading. In the article I read, a UC-Davis researcher has built 7 such hybrids since 1972 in order to get to that theoretical figure. Each cost $150,000 - $250,000. That&#039;s not something I can spend my money on any time soon. I&#039;ll buy an old 67-72 Chevy truck with a 6-cylinder engine, rebuild the engine for about $500 and a couple of weekends, and get 18-20 mpg. Benefits: Near same mileage as a modern 6-cylinder small truck, I can tow almost anything, If I wreck, I&#039;m not the one squished, I get to drive a cool-looking truck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall, the figure of 250mpg is definitely misleading. In the article I read, a UC-Davis researcher has built 7 such hybrids since 1972 in order to get to that theoretical figure. Each cost $150,000 &#8211; $250,000. That&#8217;s not something I can spend my money on any time soon. I&#8217;ll buy an old 67-72 Chevy truck with a 6-cylinder engine, rebuild the engine for about $500 and a couple of weekends, and get 18-20 mpg. Benefits: Near same mileage as a modern 6-cylinder small truck, I can tow almost anything, If I wreck, I&#8217;m not the one squished, I get to drive a cool-looking truck.</p>
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		<title>By: David Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 250mpg number is a little misleading if it is interpreted as an efficiency index. Less gasoline is being used than a straight hybrid because the difference is coming from the power plants that charge the battery. True, the fuels used in power plants (coal, natural gas, nuclear, a bit of hydro) are not usually imported, but they are still energy. And natural gas, which is the power plant fuel of choice these days, is already in short supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 250mpg number is a little misleading if it is interpreted as an efficiency index. Less gasoline is being used than a straight hybrid because the difference is coming from the power plants that charge the battery. True, the fuels used in power plants (coal, natural gas, nuclear, a bit of hydro) are not usually imported, but they are still energy. And natural gas, which is the power plant fuel of choice these days, is already in short supply.</p>
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		<title>By: jimf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that plug hybrids are the way to go...it will be a while till fuel cells are ready for prime time.  It is important also to develop diesel electric hybrids instead of gas electric.  Diesels are much more efficient in the type of running typical in a hybrid vehicle and could boost efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that plug hybrids are the way to go&#8230;it will be a while till fuel cells are ready for prime time.  It is important also to develop diesel electric hybrids instead of gas electric.  Diesels are much more efficient in the type of running typical in a hybrid vehicle and could boost efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Harper</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/08/16/a-hybrid-car-that-gets-250-mpg/comment-page-1/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think hybrid cars are the logical first step in our quest to decrease our dependency on oil.  No doubt (and hopefully) they&#039;ll eventually be replaced by even better, more efficient technology.  But for now they&#039;re a proven, affordable and accessible way for the average American to make a real difference.

My husband and I bought our first hybrid car, a Toyota Prius, several months ago.  In just three tanks of gas, we already can&#039;t imagine how we got by with the old gas guzzlers.  We easily average between 53 and 57 mpg with each tank and can sometimes go as long as three weeks before having to re-fuel.  Gas prices on the rise?  We hardly notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think hybrid cars are the logical first step in our quest to decrease our dependency on oil.  No doubt (and hopefully) they&#8217;ll eventually be replaced by even better, more efficient technology.  But for now they&#8217;re a proven, affordable and accessible way for the average American to make a real difference.</p>
<p>My husband and I bought our first hybrid car, a Toyota Prius, several months ago.  In just three tanks of gas, we already can&#8217;t imagine how we got by with the old gas guzzlers.  We easily average between 53 and 57 mpg with each tank and can sometimes go as long as three weeks before having to re-fuel.  Gas prices on the rise?  We hardly notice.</p>
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		<title>By: jeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget hydrogen fuel cells.

But again, &quot;Someday...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget hydrogen fuel cells.</p>
<p>But again, &#8220;Someday&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: no one</title>
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		<dc:creator>no one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drive 60 miles a day and would love to have the ability to &quot;plug in&quot; and boost the mpg of my car.  True, I would pay more in electric bills but that energy tends to come from coal, NG or even wind, all of which does not need to come from the ME.

Someday.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drive 60 miles a day and would love to have the ability to &#8220;plug in&#8221; and boost the mpg of my car.  True, I would pay more in electric bills but that energy tends to come from coal, NG or even wind, all of which does not need to come from the ME.</p>
<p>Someday&#8230;..</p>
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