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		<title>By: Ser</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-58973</link>
		<dc:creator>Ser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job.</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1925</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you ask to be banned, I&#039;ll ban you. Consider it done.</description>
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		<title>By: debsay</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>debsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that this thread has descended into loonsville....</description>
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		<title>By: kreiz</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator>kreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rovian view is like playing a board game.  In Katrina&#039;s case, the WH analysis became so focused on jockeying for position with Dem. state and local authorities that it lost sight of the human anguish in NO.  The WH didn&#039;t react until this unseemly reality became political relevant because of media coverage.  Had the same situation involved the anguigh of middle class whites, the WH would&#039;ve recognized its political relevance earlier, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rovian view is like playing a board game.  In Katrina&#8217;s case, the WH analysis became so focused on jockeying for position with Dem. state and local authorities that it lost sight of the human anguish in NO.  The WH didn&#8217;t react until this unseemly reality became political relevant because of media coverage.  Had the same situation involved the anguigh of middle class whites, the WH would&#8217;ve recognized its political relevance earlier, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: kreiz</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>kreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As evidence for the Machiavellian theory, charging rino reports this today from the NYT:  instead of figuring out how to fix the muddled federal reponse to Katrina and make darn sure something like it never happens again, the Bush Administration has been working for the last few days on a &quot;plan ... to contain the political damage from the administration&#039;s response to Hurricane Katrina.&quot;  

This supports the theory that EVERYTHING is viewed and weighed strictly as a political matter in the WH.  [Makes me serious question the War effort, btw.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As evidence for the Machiavellian theory, charging rino reports this today from the NYT:  instead of figuring out how to fix the muddled federal reponse to Katrina and make darn sure something like it never happens again, the Bush Administration has been working for the last few days on a &#8220;plan &#8230; to contain the political damage from the administration&#8217;s response to Hurricane Katrina.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This supports the theory that EVERYTHING is viewed and weighed strictly as a political matter in the WH.  [Makes me serious question the War effort, btw.]</p>
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		<title>By: kreiz</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>kreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this question a couple of days ago and tried to craft a response.  In my view, the WH has become the Rove House, in the Machiavellian sense that all things are viewed through a political prism (not in the sense that Rove is an omnipotent evil one.)  With that view, race and class become defintely factors.  They are classic Dem constituencies of little interest to the GOP.  Top that off with an uncooperative Dem governor and an uppity black Dem mayor, and there&#039;s a temptation, even a recipe, to play politics.  

Here&#039;s why Rove, et al aren&#039;t racist.  If this happens to a black constiuency in FL, e.g., IN AN ELECTION YEAR, there&#039;s a prompt and overwhelming fed response.  Rove knows it&#039;s too dicey to play politics then.  05 is an off-year, so it&#039;s less compelling.

You can lose your soul with this kind of thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this question a couple of days ago and tried to craft a response.  In my view, the WH has become the Rove House, in the Machiavellian sense that all things are viewed through a political prism (not in the sense that Rove is an omnipotent evil one.)  With that view, race and class become defintely factors.  They are classic Dem constituencies of little interest to the GOP.  Top that off with an uncooperative Dem governor and an uppity black Dem mayor, and there&#8217;s a temptation, even a recipe, to play politics.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why Rove, et al aren&#8217;t racist.  If this happens to a black constiuency in FL, e.g., IN AN ELECTION YEAR, there&#8217;s a prompt and overwhelming fed response.  Rove knows it&#8217;s too dicey to play politics then.  05 is an off-year, so it&#8217;s less compelling.</p>
<p>You can lose your soul with this kind of thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1871</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I absolutely agree. Do you think the slow response was race and/or class related?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I absolutely agree. Do you think the slow response was race and/or class related?</p>
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		<title>By: scarshapedstar</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-2/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>scarshapedstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Seeing President Bush call the Federal response ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œunacceptibleÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? does not absolve him of responsibility. He runs the country. His job is to run the Federal government. The buck stops at his desk.&lt;/i&gt;

Holy cow, really?

I don&#039;t mean to bash, because I agree with you, but this is the first time I&#039;ve &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; heard a Republican even begin to concede that Bush has responsibility over the actions of his subordinates. Every single failure over the last 5 years has landed far short of the Oval Office. Like in Iraq, he says the generals would tell him if they needed more troops and that&#039;s that. Nobody ever asks him what &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; thinks, because he does technically &lt;i&gt;outrank&lt;/i&gt; the generals.

What, I ask you, do we pay this guy for? In Iraq he proudly admits that he does nothing more - and sometimes even less - than rubberstamp the decions made by those below him. On Wednesday he informed us of what we already knew federal agencies were doing, and oh yeah, send cash. He didn&#039;t announce a place for people to volunteer their homes and bodies, he didn&#039;t call for every seaworthy craft in range of New Orleans to report to the south end of the lake or the mouth of the river. He barely even tried to deviate from the bullet points that someone had handed him 20 seconds before he reached the podium; my god, his attempts at being extemporaneous were like a sixth-grader trying to paraphrase an encyclopedia article.

If we can&#039;t do better than this at a time like this, I think we need to seriously reconsider our self-proclaimed status as the world&#039;s greatest country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Seeing President Bush call the Federal response ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œunacceptibleÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? does not absolve him of responsibility. He runs the country. His job is to run the Federal government. The buck stops at his desk.</i></p>
<p>Holy cow, really?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to bash, because I agree with you, but this is the first time I&#8217;ve <i>ever</i> heard a Republican even begin to concede that Bush has responsibility over the actions of his subordinates. Every single failure over the last 5 years has landed far short of the Oval Office. Like in Iraq, he says the generals would tell him if they needed more troops and that&#8217;s that. Nobody ever asks him what <i>he</i> thinks, because he does technically <i>outrank</i> the generals.</p>
<p>What, I ask you, do we pay this guy for? In Iraq he proudly admits that he does nothing more &#8211; and sometimes even less &#8211; than rubberstamp the decions made by those below him. On Wednesday he informed us of what we already knew federal agencies were doing, and oh yeah, send cash. He didn&#8217;t announce a place for people to volunteer their homes and bodies, he didn&#8217;t call for every seaworthy craft in range of New Orleans to report to the south end of the lake or the mouth of the river. He barely even tried to deviate from the bullet points that someone had handed him 20 seconds before he reached the podium; my god, his attempts at being extemporaneous were like a sixth-grader trying to paraphrase an encyclopedia article.</p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t do better than this at a time like this, I think we need to seriously reconsider our self-proclaimed status as the world&#8217;s greatest country.</p>
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		<title>By: Constantine</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1864</link>
		<dc:creator>Constantine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I voted for President Bush because I felt he was right about Iraq, and more fundamentally, about our security.&lt;/i&gt;

Let this be a lesson to you-- actions have consequences. You did not vote for Bush because you thought he was a good president on Iraq. You voted for him because doing otherwise would have been a tacit admission that you were wrong about Iraq. Unfortunately, the events of the past week have spiraled out of control to the point where you can no longer convince yourself that you were right all along, and you are starting to face up to your failures in judgment and decision-making capacity. Because of this failure in judgment and discernment on your part, because of your inability to interpret failure after failure of the Bush administration as something to concern yourself about, and because of your failure to recognize that &quot;tough talk&quot; does not imply intelligent decisionmaking, the country finds ourself in the mess it is in today.

Many Democrats repeatedly pointed out that Bush appeared to put a larger priority on invading Iraq than on preventing and responding to terrorist attacks. They were right. However, the problem is that some voters simply believed that the sexiness and visceral appeal of fighting and invading another country was much more compelling than the mediocre, workaday process of disaster preparation and prevention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I voted for President Bush because I felt he was right about Iraq, and more fundamentally, about our security.</i></p>
<p>Let this be a lesson to you&#8211; actions have consequences. You did not vote for Bush because you thought he was a good president on Iraq. You voted for him because doing otherwise would have been a tacit admission that you were wrong about Iraq. Unfortunately, the events of the past week have spiraled out of control to the point where you can no longer convince yourself that you were right all along, and you are starting to face up to your failures in judgment and decision-making capacity. Because of this failure in judgment and discernment on your part, because of your inability to interpret failure after failure of the Bush administration as something to concern yourself about, and because of your failure to recognize that &#8220;tough talk&#8221; does not imply intelligent decisionmaking, the country finds ourself in the mess it is in today.</p>
<p>Many Democrats repeatedly pointed out that Bush appeared to put a larger priority on invading Iraq than on preventing and responding to terrorist attacks. They were right. However, the problem is that some voters simply believed that the sexiness and visceral appeal of fighting and invading another country was much more compelling than the mediocre, workaday process of disaster preparation and prevention.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Spartacus Tuttle, Ban Me Too.</description>
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		<title>By: edddie</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>edddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ban Tuttle for speaking the truth.  What a blog this is.  I should have known anything with Totten&#039;s fingerprints on it would turn out to be a dud.

Go ahead and ban me too, asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ban Tuttle for speaking the truth.  What a blog this is.  I should have known anything with Totten&#8217;s fingerprints on it would turn out to be a dud.</p>
<p>Go ahead and ban me too, asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1861</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth would you ban Tuttle for his remarkably tame, truthful, and polite remarks?</description>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a tool.  A dumb stupid tool.  An implement of Karl Rove.  You are responsible for the deaths of 1800+ of our finest.  You are responsible for massive deficits, unemployment.  You are responsible for $6.00 gasoline caused by an Administration that didn&#039;t know enough to ask and move Americans to conservation and getting off of oil as fast as possible.  You are responsible for our giving up habeus corpus.  You are responsible for Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, and for London.  You are responsible for making America and the world more dangerous today than it has been in 50 years.

Frankly, I do not believe you are a single issue, security, democrat.

I believe you are a stupid greedy pig idiot.

oh, and f you. big time.

TIME TO SIGN UP, MOFO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a tool.  A dumb stupid tool.  An implement of Karl Rove.  You are responsible for the deaths of 1800+ of our finest.  You are responsible for massive deficits, unemployment.  You are responsible for $6.00 gasoline caused by an Administration that didn&#8217;t know enough to ask and move Americans to conservation and getting off of oil as fast as possible.  You are responsible for our giving up habeus corpus.  You are responsible for Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, and for London.  You are responsible for making America and the world more dangerous today than it has been in 50 years.</p>
<p>Frankly, I do not believe you are a single issue, security, democrat.</p>
<p>I believe you are a stupid greedy pig idiot.</p>
<p>oh, and f you. big time.</p>
<p>TIME TO SIGN UP, MOFO.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tuttle, you&#039;re banned.</description>
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		<title>By: Tuttle</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We told you so. Over and over again we told you this president&#039;s security measures were a smokescreen. We told you Iraq had no WMDs and no connection to Al Queda. We told you this administration was run by incompitent cronies. You didn&#039;t believe us. You called us stupid and you called us traitors.

There&#039;s hundreds of bodies floating in the sewage filled waters of Lake George and their blood is on your pathetic craven hands.

Scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We told you so. Over and over again we told you this president&#8217;s security measures were a smokescreen. We told you Iraq had no WMDs and no connection to Al Queda. We told you this administration was run by incompitent cronies. You didn&#8217;t believe us. You called us stupid and you called us traitors.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s hundreds of bodies floating in the sewage filled waters of Lake George and their blood is on your pathetic craven hands.</p>
<p>Scum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Gallagher</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1854</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a Hurricane. This is an atomic bomb. This was worse than 9/11, its worse than the Tsunami.
Yep, it&#039;s also an atomic bomb that we had over 5 days preliminary warning, and three days dead-nuts &quot;We&#039;ve got a Cat 5 hurricane&quot; about to hit NO warning, and the Federal Government was still caught with its collective pants down.
This administration has had four years to prepare for a catastrophe that would occur without warning. And they screwed this one up. Though I voted against Bush, I can see that some people could vote the other way. But If this is still true:
Unfortunately, I had to turn away from my own party to vote for someone who I believed took my nationÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s security more seriously.
there is no hope for your cognitive abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a Hurricane. This is an atomic bomb. This was worse than 9/11, its worse than the Tsunami.<br />
Yep, it&#8217;s also an atomic bomb that we had over 5 days preliminary warning, and three days dead-nuts &#8220;We&#8217;ve got a Cat 5 hurricane&#8221; about to hit NO warning, and the Federal Government was still caught with its collective pants down.<br />
This administration has had four years to prepare for a catastrophe that would occur without warning. And they screwed this one up. Though I voted against Bush, I can see that some people could vote the other way. But If this is still true:<br />
Unfortunately, I had to turn away from my own party to vote for someone who I believed took my nationÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s security more seriously.<br />
there is no hope for your cognitive abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jim, interesting perspective but I doubt that, in times of national emergency whether Americans yearn for want limited governmental competence. &#039;

I agree completely. Unfortunately, what you get in a crisis is what you have prepared in advance. People have been thinking in a peacetime way and it is biting us now.. That is what I meant wen I agreed with Jim Jones about the usefulness of some kind of deep soul searchiing, blame game, whatever you want to call it. We need things a little more directive when it comes to evacuations in the future - power to round people up, power to commandeer private vehicles, numbers of personnel in place early enough to make it all happen, in this case, police personnel, since it takes hours at least for the NG to show up with long arms and real coercive power.

We need a frank review of the effectiveness of the various state governments. They have handled this with varying degrees of effectiveness. Louisiana was predictably Third World. In the past that was not a matter for anyone else to meddle in. That was then and this is now.

I also agree there have been failures at the federal level. Stopping the looting was obviously not one of them - it is flat illegal for federal troops to engage in police activity and that stupid law has so far withstood every challenge, and National Guard are state assets - but there are other failures. The flood control defunding comes instantly to mind. I live on the West Coast, and we really don&#039;t have any illusions about the level of comprehension of our risk that we can expect from bureaucrats 3,000 miles away. We have noted how much more of a &quot;disaster&quot; floods in the Midwest are than are earthquakes on the West Coast. that is a structrural problem, not so much of organizational structure but of the demographics of the people in decision-making positions. If more of those came from the South and the West Coast, rather than the Mid-Atlantic and the Northeast, we might see a change in emphasis, maybe that federal law as to job requirements might address. That is for a political discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jim, interesting perspective but I doubt that, in times of national emergency whether Americans yearn for want limited governmental competence. &#8216;</p>
<p>I agree completely. Unfortunately, what you get in a crisis is what you have prepared in advance. People have been thinking in a peacetime way and it is biting us now.. That is what I meant wen I agreed with Jim Jones about the usefulness of some kind of deep soul searchiing, blame game, whatever you want to call it. We need things a little more directive when it comes to evacuations in the future &#8211; power to round people up, power to commandeer private vehicles, numbers of personnel in place early enough to make it all happen, in this case, police personnel, since it takes hours at least for the NG to show up with long arms and real coercive power.</p>
<p>We need a frank review of the effectiveness of the various state governments. They have handled this with varying degrees of effectiveness. Louisiana was predictably Third World. In the past that was not a matter for anyone else to meddle in. That was then and this is now.</p>
<p>I also agree there have been failures at the federal level. Stopping the looting was obviously not one of them &#8211; it is flat illegal for federal troops to engage in police activity and that stupid law has so far withstood every challenge, and National Guard are state assets &#8211; but there are other failures. The flood control defunding comes instantly to mind. I live on the West Coast, and we really don&#8217;t have any illusions about the level of comprehension of our risk that we can expect from bureaucrats 3,000 miles away. We have noted how much more of a &#8220;disaster&#8221; floods in the Midwest are than are earthquakes on the West Coast. that is a structrural problem, not so much of organizational structure but of the demographics of the people in decision-making positions. If more of those came from the South and the West Coast, rather than the Mid-Atlantic and the Northeast, we might see a change in emphasis, maybe that federal law as to job requirements might address. That is for a political discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: JollyRoger</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>JollyRoger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree.

This Administration has been allowed too many failures of due diligence. Too many people have died because of these mistakes. It is not true that &quot;nobody was walking around last week&quot; talking about what could happen-there were people doing exactly that, and they have been doing it for years. 

I want to know why the flood-control project was defunded. Precisely because I know there were all kinds of warnings that something like this not only could happen, but was bound to happen, if we did not address the levees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree.</p>
<p>This Administration has been allowed too many failures of due diligence. Too many people have died because of these mistakes. It is not true that &#8220;nobody was walking around last week&#8221; talking about what could happen-there were people doing exactly that, and they have been doing it for years. </p>
<p>I want to know why the flood-control project was defunded. Precisely because I know there were all kinds of warnings that something like this not only could happen, but was bound to happen, if we did not address the levees.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think too much of the &quot;blame game&quot; has entered way too early... there will no doubt be plenty of blame for everybody.

But to the author&#039;s point:  The envisioned troika: FEMA  State Govenment  Local authority, as a way of handling a large crisis, appears to be failing some people here in a significant way.   The NO mayor did complain about too many chefs...   And yes, the FEMA part is Bush&#039;s responsibility, but the other two are not.

So yes, I agree that the credibility of the assurance that a major planned cataclysm can be dealt with succesfully is at stake.

On the other hand, even if indeed the deaths in NO number into the thousands that still means a &gt;99% survival rate.   Not to diminish those who died, just trying to get a perspective here on what to expect.

I for one don&#039;t have a solution to guarantee a better survival rate.   Really, I don&#039;t.   Not trying to be cold hearted here, just being very practical.

So here is the challenge: can anyone come up with a better way of dealing with great calamities, whether planned as an attack or a natural disaster?   Remember, the scale here is very large, not just one community.

Yes, I bet that in this particular instance, upon later review, a few things *might* jump out as simple methods that would have minimized the deaths in NO in particular.   But if they are too particular to NO and hurricanes they might not apply to a different situation very well.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think too much of the &#8220;blame game&#8221; has entered way too early&#8230; there will no doubt be plenty of blame for everybody.</p>
<p>But to the author&#8217;s point:  The envisioned troika: FEMA  State Govenment  Local authority, as a way of handling a large crisis, appears to be failing some people here in a significant way.   The NO mayor did complain about too many chefs&#8230;   And yes, the FEMA part is Bush&#8217;s responsibility, but the other two are not.</p>
<p>So yes, I agree that the credibility of the assurance that a major planned cataclysm can be dealt with succesfully is at stake.</p>
<p>On the other hand, even if indeed the deaths in NO number into the thousands that still means a &gt;99% survival rate.   Not to diminish those who died, just trying to get a perspective here on what to expect.</p>
<p>I for one don&#8217;t have a solution to guarantee a better survival rate.   Really, I don&#8217;t.   Not trying to be cold hearted here, just being very practical.</p>
<p>So here is the challenge: can anyone come up with a better way of dealing with great calamities, whether planned as an attack or a natural disaster?   Remember, the scale here is very large, not just one community.</p>
<p>Yes, I bet that in this particular instance, upon later review, a few things *might* jump out as simple methods that would have minimized the deaths in NO in particular.   But if they are too particular to NO and hurricanes they might not apply to a different situation very well.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: cakreiz</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/02/credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>cakreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the unedited sentence.  But if you omit certain words &amp; add others, you&#039;ll get my drift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the unedited sentence.  But if you omit certain words &amp; add others, you&#8217;ll get my drift.</p>
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