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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m not trying to make a point, or even score one, here. Just pondering, opening up the floor for questions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fair enough. I appreciate the thoughts.

And as succinct as Irish Elk is, I still don&#039;t agree with the point. The only point I&#039;m interested in is that some (including some my of close liberal friends) think that the crescent is ill-advised. And I weigh that against the victims&#039; families and their approval. It&#039;s an incredibly difficult position to be in, especially for a self-described liberal.

But all things being equal, I wish they&#039;d change it. Anything less would be ignoring something that seems obvious to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m not trying to make a point, or even score one, here. Just pondering, opening up the floor for questions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough. I appreciate the thoughts.</p>
<p>And as succinct as Irish Elk is, I still don&#8217;t agree with the point. The only point I&#8217;m interested in is that some (including some my of close liberal friends) think that the crescent is ill-advised. And I weigh that against the victims&#8217; families and their approval. It&#8217;s an incredibly difficult position to be in, especially for a self-described liberal.</p>
<p>But all things being equal, I wish they&#8217;d change it. Anything less would be ignoring something that seems obvious to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to make a point, or even score one, here. Just pondering, opening up the floor for questions.

FYI, from what I read the objection to the monument is that it is &quot;too tall, too somber and too simplistic.&quot; That hardly seems &quot;controversial&quot; to me, but that&#039;s the word the news stories are using.

Also FYI, as you&#039;ve probably surmised, a lot of my blog friends totally agree with you on that Flight 93 business. Their reactions range from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://nerra.com/broadsword/archives/2005/09/10/657/red-crescent-outrage-islamophobia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;brilliantly bombastic&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to the merely withering. My favorite example of the latter is &lt;a href=&quot;http://mcns.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Irish Elk,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; who writes just one sentence:
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&lt;i&gt;Regarding the Crescent of Embrace planned as a Flight 93 memorial in Pennsylvania: Was the Box-Cutter of Friendship idea already taken?&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to make a point, or even score one, here. Just pondering, opening up the floor for questions.</p>
<p>FYI, from what I read the objection to the monument is that it is &#8220;too tall, too somber and too simplistic.&#8221; That hardly seems &#8220;controversial&#8221; to me, but that&#8217;s the word the news stories are using.</p>
<p>Also FYI, as you&#8217;ve probably surmised, a lot of my blog friends totally agree with you on that Flight 93 business. Their reactions range from the <a href="http://nerra.com/broadsword/archives/2005/09/10/657/red-crescent-outrage-islamophobia/" rel="nofollow"><b>brilliantly bombastic</b></a> to the merely withering. My favorite example of the latter is <a href="http://mcns.blogspot.com/" ><b>Irish Elk,</b></a> who writes just one sentence:</p>
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<i>Regarding the Crescent of Embrace planned as a Flight 93 memorial in Pennsylvania: Was the Box-Cutter of Friendship idea already taken?</i>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/15/controversial-911-memorial/comment-page-1/#comment-2244</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry Cal, what am I missing? The shape of the walkways in the memorial.

I appreciate your points here, and I&#039;m not trying to discount. I too think that this will pass eventually. But we&#039;re not talking about 20 years from now. We&#039;re talking about a week after this design was picked, and we can actually do something to stop it.

And then there&#039;s this:&lt;blockquote&gt;But even the second-stage jury that selected the design recommended changing its name to steer clear of religious overtones. Rather than crescent, the jury suggested using circle or arc of embrace instead.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, if they recommended this to avoid controversy, they probably also felt that the symbol itself could be seen as controversial. I just can&#039;t square those two things. Perhaps that&#039;s a personal fault of mine, but that&#039;s just how it is right now for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Cal, what am I missing? The shape of the walkways in the memorial.</p>
<p>I appreciate your points here, and I&#8217;m not trying to discount. I too think that this will pass eventually. But we&#8217;re not talking about 20 years from now. We&#8217;re talking about a week after this design was picked, and we can actually do something to stop it.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s this:<br />
<blockquote>But even the second-stage jury that selected the design recommended changing its name to steer clear of religious overtones. Rather than crescent, the jury suggested using circle or arc of embrace instead.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, if they recommended this to avoid controversy, they probably also felt that the symbol itself could be seen as controversial. I just can&#8217;t square those two things. Perhaps that&#8217;s a personal fault of mine, but that&#8217;s just how it is right now for me.</p>
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