Comments on: Reid Says No To Roberts http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Voice of Reason http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/comment-page-1/#comment-2359 Voice of Reason Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:17:21 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/#comment-2359 How is it sad? Kerry was a terrible candidate plain and simple. He came off to middle America as smug and condescending and that is nobodys fault but his and his handlers. The guy has all the pressence and charisma of the common fern. And try as they might Dems can't get over the fact that people find them weak on defense. And with the steady fusilade of misinformation from the MSM driving support for the war in Iraq and subsequently the war on terror into the crapper, it is still on everyones mind in middle America. The 15% or so at the far right and far left will never change, this is as consistant as gravity. But the remaining 70% have serious concerns for national safety...no getting around that and had Kerry had a plan rather than simply critisim he probably would have won. But just being against something gets you no where with the middle. Sure the rabid leftys love you when you slam the right day after day, but to connect with the middle you damn well better have a plan for something different. Thats also why I feel anything short of a comparable vote to Ginsberg's 96-4 shows the middle that objective discourse is impossible and those refusing to be reasonable are simply playing partisan politics. I think it will cost them dearly in the midterms. If at minimum, red state Dems don't vote to confirm, they could face serious challenges at the ballot box next year. BTW...this site is great. S&L tends to be people all coming at issues from one side....here at least Justin offers me somebody to have discourse with and I thank you for that. Guess I shoulda been a lawyer... VoR How is it sad? Kerry was a terrible candidate plain and simple. He came off to middle America as smug and condescending and that is nobodys fault but his and his handlers. The guy has all the pressence and charisma of the common fern. And try as they might Dems can’t get over the fact that people find them weak on defense. And with the steady fusilade of misinformation from the MSM driving support for the war in Iraq and subsequently the war on terror into the crapper, it is still on everyones mind in middle America.

The 15% or so at the far right and far left will never change, this is as consistant as gravity. But the remaining 70% have serious concerns for national safety…no getting around that and had Kerry had a plan rather than simply critisim he probably would have won. But just being against something gets you no where with the middle. Sure the rabid leftys love you when you slam the right day after day, but to connect with the middle you damn well better have a plan for something different. Thats also why I feel anything short of a comparable vote to Ginsberg’s 96-4 shows the middle that objective discourse is impossible and those refusing to be reasonable are simply playing partisan politics. I think it will cost them dearly in the midterms. If at minimum, red state Dems don’t vote to confirm, they could face serious challenges at the ballot box next year.

BTW…this site is great. S&L tends to be people all coming at issues from one side….here at least Justin offers me somebody to have discourse with and I thank you for that. Guess I shoulda been a lawyer…

VoR

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/comment-page-1/#comment-2357 Justin Gardner Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:20:27 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/#comment-2357 <blockquote>If he were going to position himself as a Democratic knight in shining armor against the next nominee, who is almost certain to be more conservative in one way or another than Roberts, why wouldn’t he make hyis case here and now for being someone who could approve a moderate-conservative?</blockquote> Agreed, but on the other hand this shows that a less moderate candidate will face intense scrutiny and condemnation, so imagine what a less moderate candidate will face... I'm not saying I agree with this, but the logic does follows. <blockquote>Isn’t it amazing how Bush’s popularity sinks and sinks and yet the polls show if you re-ran the 2004 election today, he’d still beat Kerry?</blockquote> Yes. That is amazing...and sad.

If he were going to position himself as a Democratic knight in shining armor against the next nominee, who is almost certain to be more conservative in one way or another than Roberts, why wouldn’t he make hyis case here and now for being someone who could approve a moderate-conservative?

Agreed, but on the other hand this shows that a less moderate candidate will face intense scrutiny and condemnation, so imagine what a less moderate candidate will face…

I’m not saying I agree with this, but the logic does follows.

Isn’t it amazing how Bush’s popularity sinks and sinks and yet the polls show if you re-ran the 2004 election today, he’d still beat Kerry?

Yes. That is amazing…and sad.

]]> By: Callimachus http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/comment-page-1/#comment-2352 Callimachus Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:15:36 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/09/21/reid-says-no-to-roberts/#comment-2352 If he were going to position himself as a Democratic knight in shining armor against the next nominee, who is almost certain to be more conservative in one way or another than Roberts, why wouldn't he make hyis case here and now for being someone who could approve a moderate-conservative? As it is if he opposes this one, and the next one, he'll come off looking to many like a mere obstructionist. <blockquote> <i>... the threat they believe Judge Roberts poses to Democrats’ core causes, racial and gender equality."</i> </blockquote> Which is typically vague as to whether the "threat" is that he will turn them back to the 19th century, or that he won't be sufficiently activist in changing existing laws by rulings from the bench. I'd say it's a simple matter of the pressure groups getting to him. In a party so lost for real leadership, forward thinking, and popular support, that's going to happen. Isn't it amazing how Bush's popularity sinks and sinks and yet the polls show if you re-ran the 2004 election today, he'd still beat Kerry? If he were going to position himself as a Democratic knight in shining armor against the next nominee, who is almost certain to be more conservative in one way or another than Roberts, why wouldn’t he make hyis case here and now for being someone who could approve a moderate-conservative? As it is if he opposes this one, and the next one, he’ll come off looking to many like a mere obstructionist.

… the threat they believe Judge Roberts poses to Democrats’ core causes, racial and gender equality.”

Which is typically vague as to whether the “threat” is that he will turn them back to the 19th century, or that he won’t be sufficiently activist in changing existing laws by rulings from the bench.

I’d say it’s a simple matter of the pressure groups getting to him. In a party so lost for real leadership, forward thinking, and popular support, that’s going to happen. Isn’t it amazing how Bush’s popularity sinks and sinks and yet the polls show if you re-ran the 2004 election today, he’d still beat Kerry?

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