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	<title>Comments on: Mary Tillman Wants The Truth</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Rintel</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-314704</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Rintel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gardner and Callimachus replies are more unfounded then the "ignorant" democratic-leaning views they admonish.  I don't know you're site, but Donklephant is also wrong to use Mary Tillman to smear Cindy Sheehan.  Yeah, I get it.  Both wings are ludicrous, but only you-- the difference splitters-- are calm and rational enough to see the truth.  Please!  You want evidence?  I can see destroying forensic evidence like Tillman's boots, uniform and socks (plus ballistics) to cover-up friendly-fire.  But why would they get rid of his diary, which reportedly contained views questioning how sincerely the army went after Bin Laden in Tora Bora (so as not to interrupt the bogus march into Iraq)???  

Perhaps the fact that he was planning to come stateside for a meeting with Noam Chomsky in the months before November's election, could be the motive behind such a risky act.  After all, he wasn't a typical soldier without access to the media.  He was a national hero, with first-hand experience in Afghanistan.  But you partisans pretending to be middle-of-the-roaders won't even show this comment, most likely.  Or you'll demand more evidence than this admittedly-limited speculation.  Well, just like my inability to prove how many Democratic votes went unrecorded in Ohio (due to Secretary of State Blackwell and Diebold at. al. not doing a thorough recount, sharing the source code or even preserving any verifiable-evidence for historians) or the White House destroying emails, yet never naming who exactly came up with the list of the fired US attorney's (clue: Rolly Kove)  the theme is always the same.  Destroy the evidence and then scream and cry, hoping that the ball-less Dems are afraid to lose their "credibility."  by making the charges publicly and demanding sworn testimony.   Sadly, however, the Democrats and even The New York Times, refuse to even mention Tillman's diary, so its people like Mary Tillman who are forced into a quandary that only triples her already-terrible suffering.  Concede its only a case of suppressed friendly-fire (thus ending any chance of a REAL investigation by Congress that puts Rumsfeld's minions under oath ) or say out loud what they know will be called unobjective and overly emotional.  Its bad enough for her to endure what she has had to face from this group of White House criminals.  But the Democrats in Congress will always unfortunately settle for the small victory (afraid of the counter-attack on their credibility).  Perhaps if they focused on what Princeton's Prof. Ed Felten, R.S. Magazine's RFK Jr., and HBO's documentary "Hacking Democracy" have already demonstrated, the reason why Bush ordered Gonzo to press the grand-total of 88 supposed democratic voter-fraud cases, will be obvious.  He wanted to give ammunition to water-carriers like Rush Limbaugh, when the charges of a stolen re-election inevitably were raised in books and magazines.  MIT and Johns Hopkins statisticians estimated that the odds Bush got 3 to 5% more than exit polls showed he would in 9 battleground states in 2004 were 40 million to one.  But hey, let's see the evidence, cry the so-called middle-ground smarties.  I wonder what you would have said to blast Democratic-leaning skeptics when the missing eighteen minutes of Nixon's Rosemary Woods' "accidentally-erased" White House tapes were discovered in 1972.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gardner and Callimachus replies are more unfounded then the &#8220;ignorant&#8221; democratic-leaning views they admonish.  I don&#8217;t know you&#8217;re site, but Donklephant is also wrong to use Mary Tillman to smear Cindy Sheehan.  Yeah, I get it.  Both wings are ludicrous, but only you&#8211; the difference splitters&#8211; are calm and rational enough to see the truth.  Please!  You want evidence?  I can see destroying forensic evidence like Tillman&#8217;s boots, uniform and socks (plus ballistics) to cover-up friendly-fire.  But why would they get rid of his diary, which reportedly contained views questioning how sincerely the army went after Bin Laden in Tora Bora (so as not to interrupt the bogus march into Iraq)???  </p>
<p>Perhaps the fact that he was planning to come stateside for a meeting with Noam Chomsky in the months before November&#8217;s election, could be the motive behind such a risky act.  After all, he wasn&#8217;t a typical soldier without access to the media.  He was a national hero, with first-hand experience in Afghanistan.  But you partisans pretending to be middle-of-the-roaders won&#8217;t even show this comment, most likely.  Or you&#8217;ll demand more evidence than this admittedly-limited speculation.  Well, just like my inability to prove how many Democratic votes went unrecorded in Ohio (due to Secretary of State Blackwell and Diebold at. al. not doing a thorough recount, sharing the source code or even preserving any verifiable-evidence for historians) or the White House destroying emails, yet never naming who exactly came up with the list of the fired US attorney&#8217;s (clue: Rolly Kove)  the theme is always the same.  Destroy the evidence and then scream and cry, hoping that the ball-less Dems are afraid to lose their &#8220;credibility.&#8221;  by making the charges publicly and demanding sworn testimony.   Sadly, however, the Democrats and even The New York Times, refuse to even mention Tillman&#8217;s diary, so its people like Mary Tillman who are forced into a quandary that only triples her already-terrible suffering.  Concede its only a case of suppressed friendly-fire (thus ending any chance of a REAL investigation by Congress that puts Rumsfeld&#8217;s minions under oath ) or say out loud what they know will be called unobjective and overly emotional.  Its bad enough for her to endure what she has had to face from this group of White House criminals.  But the Democrats in Congress will always unfortunately settle for the small victory (afraid of the counter-attack on their credibility).  Perhaps if they focused on what Princeton&#8217;s Prof. Ed Felten, R.S. Magazine&#8217;s RFK Jr., and HBO&#8217;s documentary &#8220;Hacking Democracy&#8221; have already demonstrated, the reason why Bush ordered Gonzo to press the grand-total of 88 supposed democratic voter-fraud cases, will be obvious.  He wanted to give ammunition to water-carriers like Rush Limbaugh, when the charges of a stolen re-election inevitably were raised in books and magazines.  MIT and Johns Hopkins statisticians estimated that the odds Bush got 3 to 5% more than exit polls showed he would in 9 battleground states in 2004 were 40 million to one.  But hey, let&#8217;s see the evidence, cry the so-called middle-ground smarties.  I wonder what you would have said to blast Democratic-leaning skeptics when the missing eighteen minutes of Nixon&#8217;s Rosemary Woods&#8217; &#8220;accidentally-erased&#8221; White House tapes were discovered in 1972.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Lindstrom</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-314468</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty Lindstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too would like to contact Mary Tillman or her son to offer my appreciation and support for their bravery in  not giving up in their quest for truth.  If anyone knows how to contact them, please send the information to me at bettylindstrom@msn.com.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too would like to contact Mary Tillman or her son to offer my appreciation and support for their bravery in  not giving up in their quest for truth.  If anyone knows how to contact them, please send the information to me at <a href="mailto:bettylindstrom@msn.com">bettylindstrom@msn.com</a>.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-167526</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know how to contact Pat Tillman's parents,
please e-mail me at germanajl@hotmail.com

-Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how to contact Pat Tillman&#8217;s parents,<br />
please e-mail me at <a href="mailto:germanajl@hotmail.com">germanajl@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>-Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Update On Pat Tillman&#8217;s Friendly Fire Case</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-7392</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Update On Pat Tillman&#8217;s Friendly Fire Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The last time I visited the story of Pat Tillman&#8217;s tragic death was to highlight the plight of his mother Mary Tillman. You see, she is the anti-Sheehan. Not because of politics, but because she&#8217;s somebody who has asked important questions free from the rhetorically dishonest pattern that Sheehan so easily fell into. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The last time I visited the story of Pat Tillman&#8217;s tragic death was to highlight the plight of his mother Mary Tillman. You see, she is the anti-Sheehan. Not because of politics, but because she&#8217;s somebody who has asked important questions free from the rhetorically dishonest pattern that Sheehan so easily fell into. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that certain fringe Dems will pick this up and run with it in a very bad way, but those of us who can separate the wheat from the chaff see that the government is wrong here and needs to fess up. 

In short, tell the Tillman family the truth. Anything less is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that certain fringe Dems will pick this up and run with it in a very bad way, but those of us who can separate the wheat from the chaff see that the government is wrong here and needs to fess up. </p>
<p>In short, tell the Tillman family the truth. Anything less is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-2532</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irony, my friend, irony. I meant to write "Shrubbie KKK McChimplerburton the Death Merchant." Read a little Democratic Underground and you can pick up all kinds of lovely tags. My favorite recent one was the woman whining that her Republican friends were so mean to her because they complained about their high taxes in her presence, even though they &lt;i&gt;knew&lt;/i&gt; she was a Democrat. It made her so mad! Except all through her post, she never used the word "Republicans," only the DU-approved "rethugs."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irony, my friend, irony. I meant to write &#8220;Shrubbie KKK McChimplerburton the Death Merchant.&#8221; Read a little Democratic Underground and you can pick up all kinds of lovely tags. My favorite recent one was the woman whining that her Republican friends were so mean to her because they complained about their high taxes in her presence, even though they <i>knew</i> she was a Democrat. It made her so mad! Except all through her post, she never used the word &#8220;Republicans,&#8221; only the DU-approved &#8220;rethugs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/26/mary-tillman-wants-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-2507</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It turns out that Tillman was very anti Bush and the Iraq war and that may be why he was killed (fragged) by US troops in Afghanistan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, stuff like this only cheapens the argument, but lies do breed these sort of thoughts.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Shrubbie McChimpler&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha! Never thought I'd hear that from you. Too funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It turns out that Tillman was very anti Bush and the Iraq war and that may be why he was killed (fragged) by US troops in Afghanistan.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, stuff like this only cheapens the argument, but lies do breed these sort of thoughts.</p>
<blockquote><p>Shrubbie McChimpler</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha! Never thought I&#8217;d hear that from you. Too funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pat Tillman story deserves to be told in full. It seems part of the problem was incompetence among commanding officers -- hardly a new thing in a war.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Spc. Russell Baer, a soldier pinned down by gunfire on the hillside near Tillman, told the Chronicle that commanding officers were to blame for the friendly fire because they split the platoon and ordered it to leave a secure location in favor of a region known as a Taliban stronghold.

"It was dumb to send us out during daylight," said Baer, who was honorably discharged from the Rangers earlier this year.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The story is getting a very different spin, however, &lt;a href="http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;on the left:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
It turns out that Tillman was very anti Bush and the Iraq war and that may be why he was killed (fragged) by US troops in Afghanistan. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fascinating. And of course if there's never a scintilla of evidence produced to the effect that that was so, it will just be more &lt;i&gt;proof&lt;/i&gt; to numnskulls like the one who wrote that, that it's because Shrubbie McChimpler with his incompetence/omnipotence, managed to cover it up &lt;i&gt;again&lt;/i&gt;.

When you lie to the people, you only strengthen the paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pat Tillman story deserves to be told in full. It seems part of the problem was incompetence among commanding officers &#8212; hardly a new thing in a war.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Spc. Russell Baer, a soldier pinned down by gunfire on the hillside near Tillman, told the Chronicle that commanding officers were to blame for the friendly fire because they split the platoon and ordered it to leave a secure location in favor of a region known as a Taliban stronghold.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was dumb to send us out during daylight,&#8221; said Baer, who was honorably discharged from the Rangers earlier this year.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The story is getting a very different spin, however, <a href="http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">on the left:</a></p>
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It turns out that Tillman was very anti Bush and the Iraq war and that may be why he was killed (fragged) by US troops in Afghanistan.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Fascinating. And of course if there&#8217;s never a scintilla of evidence produced to the effect that that was so, it will just be more <i>proof</i> to numnskulls like the one who wrote that, that it&#8217;s because Shrubbie McChimpler with his incompetence/omnipotence, managed to cover it up <i>again</i>.</p>
<p>When you lie to the people, you only strengthen the paranoid.</p>
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