Comments on: The Great Wall Of San Diego? http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Gesine Dannenberg http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/comment-page-1/#comment-13753 Gesine Dannenberg Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:00:26 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/#comment-13753 A wall is definitely not the solution. Like already said, people will find other ways to cross the border, not just because there are ways like entering the U.S. through a seaport or digging tunnels, but also because these immigrants would sacrifice anything, even their lives, just to come over. A physical barrier is not going to solve a cause like that. If we are able to build a wall over 2,000 miles long, why don't we try to protect it first and check incoming vehicles, persons etc. thoroughly? We are obviously not doing a good job checking anything that crosses our border right now. If somebody wants to tell me we don't have enough troups to do this job: Withdraw troops from Iraq (where they are not helping anything anyways)! What about making "employing illegal immigrants" a felony? At least we wouldn't create 11 million criminals at once and would leave business owners a chance to act right. Or what about issuing an national I.D. card that is checked by our police especially in places near the border? Or the greencard? Maybe I'm not wrong and I don't see the error in these ideas, but why building a huge cement monster that would cost us so much money and supplies and would create a constant visible symbol of segregation and rejection? A wall is definitely not the solution. Like already said, people will find other ways to cross the border, not just because there are ways like entering the U.S. through a seaport or digging tunnels, but also because these immigrants would sacrifice anything, even their lives, just to come over. A physical barrier is not going to solve a cause like that.
If we are able to build a wall over 2,000 miles long, why don’t we try to protect it first and check incoming vehicles, persons etc. thoroughly? We are obviously not doing a good job checking anything that crosses our border right now. If somebody wants to tell me we don’t have enough troups to do this job: Withdraw troops from Iraq (where they are not helping anything anyways)!
What about making “employing illegal immigrants” a felony? At least we wouldn’t create 11 million criminals at once and would leave business owners a chance to act right. Or what about issuing an national I.D. card that is checked by our police especially in places near the border? Or the greencard? Maybe I’m not wrong and I don’t see the error in these ideas, but why building a huge cement monster that would cost us so much money and supplies and would create a constant visible symbol of segregation and rejection?

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/comment-page-1/#comment-3509 Justin Gardner Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:29:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/#comment-3509 <blockquote>A 2,000+ mile wall strikes me as an attempt at more than just a temporary solution to the problem. Not that it would be likely to do much good, of course. People could just tunnel beneath the wall (as drug runners have been doing for years) or try to come in through our seaports as stowaways on ships (the security at our seaports having long since been exposed as woefully inadequate).</blockquote> We'll never be able to stop the problem, but stem it? Yes, I think this would work. My biggest fear is that the Islamic extremists will start to target the border and find a way to get nuclear materials through. That's one of the biggest reasons I'd be in favor of a wall like this, but I still agree it's an extreme measure.

A 2,000+ mile wall strikes me as an attempt at more than just a temporary solution to the problem. Not that it would be likely to do much good, of course. People could just tunnel beneath the wall (as drug runners have been doing for years) or try to come in through our seaports as stowaways on ships (the security at our seaports having long since been exposed as woefully inadequate).

We’ll never be able to stop the problem, but stem it? Yes, I think this would work.

My biggest fear is that the Islamic extremists will start to target the border and find a way to get nuclear materials through. That’s one of the biggest reasons I’d be in favor of a wall like this, but I still agree it’s an extreme measure.

]]> By: Joshua http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/comment-page-1/#comment-3505 Joshua Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:52:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/#comment-3505 <i>Although I see your point, I fear that an extreme measure like a wall isn’t such a bad idea for the time being At least to try and stem the flow for a bit. That’s what needs to be addressed first. Then we can worry about turning the illegals into legal immigrants.</i> A 2,000+ mile wall strikes me as an attempt at more than just a temporary solution to the problem. Not that it would be likely to do much good, of course. People could just tunnel beneath the wall (as drug runners have been doing for years) or try to come in through our seaports as stowaways on ships (the security at our seaports having long since been exposed as woefully inadequate). Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that preventing illegal immigration, even to the extent that any of our politicians really have the will to do so (about which I have my doubts), is ultimately futile. People who are desperate and/or determined enough to make their way here - which accounts for virtually all illegal immigrants - will find a way to do it no matter what. Perhaps we would be better off accepting this reality and adapting our policies to it, than continuing to pour money and manpower into a lost cause. Although I see your point, I fear that an extreme measure like a wall isn’t such a bad idea for the time being At least to try and stem the flow for a bit. That’s what needs to be addressed first. Then we can worry about turning the illegals into legal immigrants.

A 2,000+ mile wall strikes me as an attempt at more than just a temporary solution to the problem. Not that it would be likely to do much good, of course. People could just tunnel beneath the wall (as drug runners have been doing for years) or try to come in through our seaports as stowaways on ships (the security at our seaports having long since been exposed as woefully inadequate).

Sadly, I’ve come to the conclusion that preventing illegal immigration, even to the extent that any of our politicians really have the will to do so (about which I have my doubts), is ultimately futile. People who are desperate and/or determined enough to make their way here – which accounts for virtually all illegal immigrants – will find a way to do it no matter what. Perhaps we would be better off accepting this reality and adapting our policies to it, than continuing to pour money and manpower into a lost cause.

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/comment-page-1/#comment-3501 Justin Gardner Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:09:28 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/#comment-3501 We do encourage legal immigration, but we can only let so many people in every year on work or travel visas. There is a limit. The million or so illegals who stream over our border every year would not be eligible because they don't really have any business coming into our country for they have no job waiting for them and usually they have nobody legal to visit. They also usually don't even have means for transportation. It's obvious why they're coming into our country and that's to stay illegally and work. And again, we only want so many people coming into our country, otherwise the number who would try to legally come in would begin to multiply rapidly, especially from Mexico. Although I see your point, I fear that an extreme measure like a wall isn't such a bad idea for the time being At least to try and stem the flow for a bit. That's what needs to be addressed first. Then we can worry about turning the illegals into legal immigrants. We do encourage legal immigration, but we can only let so many people in every year on work or travel visas. There is a limit. The million or so illegals who stream over our border every year would not be eligible because they don’t really have any business coming into our country for they have no job waiting for them and usually they have nobody legal to visit. They also usually don’t even have means for transportation. It’s obvious why they’re coming into our country and that’s to stay illegally and work. And again, we only want so many people coming into our country, otherwise the number who would try to legally come in would begin to multiply rapidly, especially from Mexico.

Although I see your point, I fear that an extreme measure like a wall isn’t such a bad idea for the time being At least to try and stem the flow for a bit. That’s what needs to be addressed first. Then we can worry about turning the illegals into legal immigrants.

]]> By: jimbo http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/comment-page-1/#comment-3497 jimbo Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:18:06 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2005/11/06/the-great-wall-of-san-diego/#comment-3497 This country is crazy. The solution to this problem is to encourage more legal immigration. Why do you think people run all the risks associated with entering the US illegally? It is because they can get a job here that will pay them enough to live on with some left over to save and send to the folks back home. There is a demand for their labor and that demand should be filled legally. What better citizens could this country have than those who made a choice to come here? This country is crazy. The solution to this problem is to encourage more legal immigration. Why do you think people run all the risks associated with entering the US illegally? It is because they can get a job here that will pay them enough to live on with some left over to save and send to the folks back home. There is a demand for their labor and that demand should be filled legally. What better citizens could this country have than those who made a choice to come here?

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