Murtha’s War
By Callimachus | Related entries in Foreign Policy, General Politics, In The News, Military, The War On TerrorismLike John Kerry and a number of others, I don’t want to hear any bad-mouthing of Jack Murtha. Murtha represents in Congress a district in the hardscrabble mountain country out around Johnstown, some of the poorest Appalachian terrain in Pennsylvania and not far from where Flight 93 went down.
An excellent column on the political war over Iraq by Dale McFeatters at Scripps Howard sums him up like this:
Murtha, a Democratic congressman of 31 years’ standing from central Pennsylvania, is an ex-Marine, decorated Vietnam veteran, a respected House expert on military issues and close enough to the leadership of the uniformed military that he is believed to often speak for them in Congress. He is not a grandstander or even considered particularly partisan.
That is why he stunned Washington � and quite possibly changed the Iraq debate for the better � when he called for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and listed his reasons for doing so.
He is said to visit wounded service personnel every week at Walter Reed Army Hospital or Bethesda naval hospital. He doesn’t have “absolute moral authority” (a phrase lifted from Maureen Dowd’s hagiography of Citizen Cindy). But he has the considerable authority of a man who’s been to war (two Purple Hearts, Bronze Star) and who loves the U.S. military for the right reasons — the people in it.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan replied to Murtha’s public demand for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq like this: “Congressman Murtha is a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting a strong America. So it is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party.”
Which is a technically accurate description of what Murtha said, and it also is a cheap shot. It’s entirely the wrong way to characterize Murtha. It’s the kind of thing that erodes any thoughtful person’s respect for this White House.
To see a hawk come out strongly against a war is not “baffling” at all, if you spend enough time getting to know veterans, or if you happen to be one. When they come out against a war while the shooting and dying is still going on, you better believe it’s after the most difficult reflections. But if they do, they’re going to come out strong against it.
You’ve either been through the grind of combat or you haven’t. If you have, you always will see and feel war more intensely. Paradoxically, veterans look back on their wartime experiences as the best and worst things they ever lived through. War is hell. And the comradeship and love of a group of men fighting through it together is one of the most powerful experiences life offers.
In some ways, they simply are different from the rest of us. Their experience forever sets them apart. For instance, I have seen precious few World War II veterans go through the sort of public and private hand-wringing many Americans feel about the decision to use A-bombs on Japanese cities in 1945. I don’t think any of the World War II vets I know or am related to ever lost a wink of sleep over it.
I just finished reading E.B. Sledge’s superb account of his service with the Marines in the Pacific in World War II. His first Marine Division lost 7,665 men on Okinawa. That’s certainly an undercount, since it doesn’t list the many men he describes who got thrown into the lines without proper training and were mowed down by the Japanese machine guns before their names ever were officially on the muster rolls.
The survivors were still on Okinawa, talking grimly of the coming invasion of Japan, when news arrived of the atomic bombs and then the surrender.
We received the news with quiet disbelief coupled with an indescribable sense of relief. We thought the Japanese would never surrender. Many refused to believe it. Sitting in stunned silence, we remembered our dead. So many dead. So many maimed. So many bright futures assigned to the ashes of the past. So many dreams lost in the madness that had engulfed us. Except for a few widely scattered shouts of joy, the survivors of the abyss sat hollow-eyed and silent, trying to comprehend a world without war.
… War is brutish, inglorious, and a terrible waste. Combat leaves an indellible mark on those who are forced to endure it. The only redeeming factors were my comrades’ incredible bravery and their devotion to each other. Marine Corps training taught us to kill efficiently and to try to survive. But it also taught us loyalty to each other — and love. That esprit de corps sustained us.
Until the millenium arrives and countries cease trying to enslave others, it will be necessary to accept one’s responsibilities and to be willing to make sacrifices for one’s country — as my comrades did. As the troops used to say, “If the country is good enough to live in, it’s good enough to fight for.” With privilege goes responsibility.
And with the privilege of sending men to war goes responsibility, too, and probably no one except mothers feels this more strongly than combat veterans. Their patriotism is great. But so is their wrath at seeing young men sent to suffer and die if they believe the sole cause is the political advantage of a few who stay home.
Or, worse, for the financial gain of industrialists. That was what so stung yet another great Marine from Pennsylvania (and a distant relative of mine), Smed Butler, as he looked back on World War I. It is the inevitable outcome of war that some men get rich and some men get dead, and in neither case are the outcomes fair.
Butler was so incensed by this that he became an outspoken non-interventionist in the ’30s. He spoke on the same platform as Charles Lindbergh. Butler was as true a Marine and as honest a patriot as you can find. There was nothing underhanded about him.
He made a plaintive appeal to American mothers:
If you let this country go into a European war, you will lose this democracy, don’t forget that. As you stand by your boy in bed, he is safe, but here is another picture. It may help you to build up resistance against all this propaganda which will almost drown you.
Somewhere in a muddy trench, thousands of miles away from you and your home, your boy, the same one that is sleeping so sweetly and safely in his bed with you on his side, is waiting to “go over the top.” Just before dawn. Drizzling rain. Dark and dismal. Face caked with mud and tears. So homesick and longing for you and home. Thinks of you on your knees praying for him. He is frightened to death, but still more scared the boy next to him wil discover his terror. That’s your boy. Stomach as big as an egg. I know, I’ve had that sensation many times.
Do you want him to be the next unknown soldier?
The Unknown Soldier had a mother, you know, and a father. He didn’t just appear out of the air.
Do you want your boy, tangled in the barbed wire, or struggling for a last gasp of breath in a stinking trench somewhere abroad, do you want him to cry out: “Mother, Father, why did you let them do it?”
That was in 1939. He advised America to unilaterally demilitarize Alaska and Hawaii, pull our fleet back to stateside bases, and do nothing to aid France and Britain against Hitler, not even sell them supplies.
Are WE to blame because Hitler built himself a great hair-trigger war machine that crushes everything in front of it? Are WE responsible that England and France did not build a machine to stop him? Are WE culpable in any way because Hitler started before the other side was ready? Provided Britain and France really want to stop Hitler, are WE to make up for their failure to prepare to do so by sticking out OUR neck?
You can easily see now what a disaster his proposals would have brought down on America had they been heeded. Nobody hates war more than a warrior who has been through it. But in our imperfect world, that doesn’t make him a proper policy-maker.
Butler also was an early advocate of the chickenhawk meme, and he proposed constitutional amendments he thought would make aggressive war impossible. Before ordering a conscription, the government would have to redice all national wages, including (especially) those of munitions executives, to the rate paid to the soldiers in the ranks. As another step, war could be declared only after a “limited plebiscite … not of all the voters but merely of those who would be called upon to do the fighting and dying” — in other words, military-age men (no women in the fighting branches of the service then).
I don’t know about Murtha, what moved him to switch his position in such a public way. Pennsylvania has had more than its share of casualties: over 100 so far. And because of the structure of National Guard units, they tend to come in clusters — seven from one community, five from another, all in the same ambush. That hurts.
Maybe the newspaper and TV reporting got to him. Certainly the behavior of the politicians in the Bush Administration had a lot to do with it. According to the AP, “Several times a year, Murtha travels to Iraq to assess the war on the ground, and sometimes he just calls up generals to get firsthand accounts.” I hope he remembers that what goes on in the battle zone, among the men and women serving and fighting, is just as real as the politics.
And I hope he’s had a chance to talk not just to generals but to the many men and women serving in Iraq who declare they want the U.S. to stay and finish the job it started. And I hope he’s had time to read some of the fine account now being written about the superb fighting being done by America’s men and women in uniform, like Bing West’s “No True Glory,” about the Fallujah battles.
There’s no shying away from the political buffoonery in West’s book. But the main focus is on the men and women with the desert sand under their nails and their fingers on the triggers. West names them all, in good Ernie Pyle style, and tells their battle stories in gripping detail. I sat up far later than I intended one morning recently, reading his account of an astonishing day in which a wildly outnumbered group of Marines in the big city of Ramadi sniffed out an insurgent uprising brewing, went pro-active and nabbed some of the leaders before it began, then forced the rest of the insurgents to move before they were ready.
In a series of hellish firefights, they managed to chase the bad guys to the ground and keep them from their objective of seizing the city government complex. In street after street, the Marines took fire from the front of a house, only to then see young men in civilian clothes and unarmed moving down the alley behind it. The Marines had no authority to kill unarmed men in civilian clothes, so they didn’t. And of course the insurgents knew they could go to another house a block away and find it fully stocked with AK-47s and RPG launchers and take another pot shot at the Americans.
Yet somehow, the Marines flushed them out and beat them. They took casualties along the way, but far fewer than seemed possible from the intensity of the firing (insurgents are not terribly accurate shots, it seems). While this was going on, Fallujah and Najaf and Sadr City already were up in full revolt. To have added Ramadi to the list of cities in flames might well have tipped Iraq into full-blown revolt. The Marines, with smarts and skill, cut that hydra’s head and snuffed it out.
And it wasn’t until I got to the end of that un-put-downable chapter, and West noted in passing that the domestic newspapers the next day only carried the blaring headline “12 Marines killed in Ramadi,” that I recognized the fight he was describing. That is, I recognized reading about that day in the newspaper I work for. How the editors I work with shook their heads and cursed Bush for getting us into this, for the futility of it all. There was no context to the reporting. So far from having headed off another “Tet,” the reporting made it seem this day in Ramadi was further evidence that we were well into one.
History will get it right. But history will arrive too late. Politics is what happened this week.
I hope Murtha had that sort of perspective when he made his speech.
McFeatters opens his column like this:
This entry was posted on Friday, November 18th, 2005 and is filed under Foreign Policy, General Politics, In The News, Military, The War On Terrorism. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.There is an old joke about a tourist lost in New England who asks a farmer how to get to Pooter’s Corners. “Well,” opines the old Yankee, “to begin with, I wouldn’t start from here.”
And that about sums up the venomous exchange of charges and countercharges in Washington about whether the Bush administration misled Congress and the public so it could invade Iraq. The question is interesting but increasingly belongs to the historians. As a practical matter, it’s beside the point. We’re there. We can’t go back and start from somewhere else.
The nation’s leadership should be focused on winning the war, not arguing about how we got into it, but the urge to score political points is overwhelming.











November 18th, 2005 at 8:37 pm
I don’t know about Murtha, what moved him to switch his position in such a public way. Pennsylvania has had more than its share of casualties: over 100 so far.
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I hope he remembers that what goes on in the battle zone, among the men and women serving and fighting, is just as real as the politics
You’d have accepted Murtha as a strong moral authority on the war if he remaind in favour of it. He comes out for an immdediate withdrawal, though (a position I don’t agree with) and suddenly he’s lost it, he’s like those wishy washy MSM editors who don’t respect the dudes on the ground. Why can’t you acknowledge that it’s valid for someone who actually knows the cost of war to go “enough, that’s enough, this war is no longer worth it” without implying that his lost his perspective, that he’s become a civilian softie? And you accuse him of playing politics to boot.
Why can’t we have political disagreement, disagreement about the moral worth of actions without personalising everything? Why need you imply that Murtha has lost his perspective and moral authority on this question for you to still make a perfectly valid argument against withdrawal? i realise you didn’t come close to a smear job here, but this is really the same thing, the pointy/respectible edge of the same wedge.
November 18th, 2005 at 10:21 pm
Why can’t you take a few minutes to read what I write instead of rushing off to bayonet your straw man?
I compared Murtha to Butler, not to the editors. I wonder if maybe the editors haven’t had an effect on him.
Nobody has absolute moral authority; where did I say anyone did? Nobody on my side, nobody on your side. Nobody.
Nobody here accused Murtha of playing politics. Clearly politics are being played. I believe Murtha is sincere, and I said so.
Learn to read. It will help, I promise.
November 18th, 2005 at 10:44 pm
ALL-
I disagree COMPLETELY with Murtha, but I RESPECT HIM for having the courage to speak his mind in clear, concrete terms. Let’s watch the vote tonight and see who has the balls to “take the hill” with this Marine? I predict that he will be one more Marine abandoned by the democrats… Democrats who care more about their re-election than standing for anything. Get up in the morning, read your paper and then tell me I am wrong.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways all the time. Time to put up or shut up… wait a minute… that requires honor. The Dems will vote to stay put, but demand we withdrawal. As Dan Rather would say… COURAGE!!!
Sucks to have a “political stunt� pulled on you, doesn’t it? Sleep tight keyboard warriors…
November 18th, 2005 at 11:00 pm
“To see a hawk come out strongly against a war is not “bafflingâ€Â? at all”
It’s not that he changed his mind that is baffling, its that he advocates a dim-witted and obviously dangerous strategem: Complete, immediate withdrawl. Kerry, Biden, and every other mind-changer never defined their antiwar positions in such terms.
A seasoned Vietnam war vet should know the costs of pre-mature cutting and running. The massacres of the south-vietnamese, and the cambodian holocaust come to mind.
November 18th, 2005 at 11:34 pm
I think Ann Coulter nailed it: “The Democrats didn’t invent war heroes. What they invented is the scam of deploying war heroes to argue for surrender.”
Murtha has been defense friendly for the pork it delivered to his district. But he was a waverer and wobbler and appeaser 18 months ago. All I know is if Murtha gets his wish and the US surrenders in Iraq then Bin Ladin will be able to tell the Muslim masses he defeated both superpowers. That would do wonders for his recruitment stats.
November 18th, 2005 at 11:54 pm
I’ll again quote the extract of your post which my comment was in reply to:
I don’t know about Murtha, what moved him to switch his position in such a public way. Pennsylvania has had more than its share of casualties: over 100 so far. And because of the structure of National Guard units, they tend to come in clusters � seven from one community, five from another, all in the same ambush. That hurts.
Maybe the newspaper and TV reporting got to him. Certainly the behavior of the politicians in the Bush Administration had a lot to do with it. According to the AP, “Several times a year, Murtha travels to Iraq to assess the war on the ground, and sometimes he just calls up generals to get firsthand accounts.� I hope he remembers that what goes on in the battle zone, among the men and women serving and fighting, is just as real as the politics.
And I hope he’s had a chance to talk not just to generals but to the many men and women serving in Iraq who declare they want the U.S. to stay and finish the job it started. And I hope he’s had time to read some of the fine account now being written about the superb fighting being done by America’s men and women in uniform, like Bing West’s “No True Glory,� about the Fallujah battles.
All these veiled questions “hoping” he’s done certain things… am I meant to get anything but a strong implication that you’re saying he has gone down the path of civilian softies and ignored the “insights” of West and the realities of military life.
And what am I meant to get from the statement in bold except an implication that he’s forgetting military life and just politiking?
Nobody has absolute moral authority; where did I say anyone did? Nobody on my side, nobody on your side. Nobody.
(Re-reads my post) Nope, I didn’t claim that you claimed that anyone has absolute moral authority. No disagreement here. My comments about degrees of moral authority were directed to the tactic of attempting to discredit individuals rather than arguing their points. And I can’t see the point of this post beyond impliedly attempting to discredit Murtha by linking him with a bunch of civilian softies who “don’t get it”.
November 19th, 2005 at 12:22 am
And what was the nearest reference to “politics” before that line you so object to? “… behavior of the politicians in the Bush Administration.”
Soldiers in battle or near to it typically don’t have much time or patience for political jockeying back home. But it can infuriate those of us who aren’t under fire, and to us it can overshadow the daily realities of the front-line troops. And for a veteran Marine who both loves and cares about the men in uniform, and deplores the politics of the people who are leading the country in war, I can imagine, watching the war from over here can be exasperating beyond endurance.
If that’s too tough, just skip this and go read something you agree with. What we have here is failure to communicate. Americans don’t even speak the same language anymore. You’re reading between lines I didn’t even write.
The point of the post? How about an attempt to explain Murtha to the kind of people who are going to jump all over him without taking the time to understand where he’s been and how he might end up at this place. You can see for yourself, there’s no shortage of them.
November 19th, 2005 at 1:28 am
Callimachus, here’s a little mind experiment for you. After the Allies storm the beaches at Normandy and suffer horrendous losses — my father-in-law was there — Democrat President Franklin Roosevelt tells the American people that they’ve sustained too many casualties and he’s bringing every one home.
How do the US troops react. They stop fighting and wait to get home. How does Hitler react? Would unabashed joy be too facile?
Only someone wanting to convert to Islam or live in Dhimmitude would want to follow Murtha and his friends. Me, I’d rather die than submit to Islam.
November 19th, 2005 at 2:23 am
LOL. You know what’s sad is, every bloggish place except my own page, whenever I post a piece like this, which doesn’t telegraph “pro-Bush/anti-Bush, pro-war/anti-war” I get the same reaction. Someone invariably says, “what’s the point of this post? I don’t understand.”
“Point” now = “polemical thrust.”
And whenever I post a piece like this, trying to understand and explain someone I fundamentally disagree with, I get accused of trying to advance that person’s position.
I don’t want anyone to submit to Islam. But I think Murtha is an honorable man. I think he deserves some respect. Henry Hyde and Curt Weldon think the same way, based on what they said on the House floor tonight. And neither of them is beating the gong for retreat from Iraq.
I don’t think his idea is a good one, but I think I can understand how a decent man can come to feel as he does, given his experience in life. I can step outside my own patterns of conviction long enough to appreciate him in his.
I think it’s possible to both respect him and think him wrong. Is that so fucking difficult for most people to accomplish anymore?
Period. End of “point.”
An online friend wrote to me recently asking whether he thought the current level of talking-past-one-another in U.S. politics was something like that which prevailed before the Civil War (about which he knew I had written a few books). I told him I didn’t think it was quite that bad, though in some ways it is much worse.
November 19th, 2005 at 4:38 pm
I have no respect for someone who gives aid and comfort to the enemy. If he can’t understand that that was what he was doing, then the man is a fool.
Murtha was advocating retreat. Murtha was telling the Iraqi people that once again the US was going to leave them to the tender mercies of Baathists and terrorists. George Bush senior did that to the Shi’ites after the first Gulf War. That was shameful then. If his son follows Murtha’s advice, it will be even more shameful now, after so much sacrifice.
What disgusts me is that the Democrats have proven they want to defeat George Bush at any cost. They could care less about the tens of thousands of ordinary Muslims that have died at the hands of the radicals. Contrast that with Tony Blair, who is very left-of-center by US standards. Yet, he has had the courage to recognize the threat the West faces from terrorists and their sponsors, and do something about it.
We have close friends and relatives who are against the war. They are sincere and we respect their position. But their ignorance of what Saddam had done, and what radical Islam wants to achieve, is unbelievable. A politician with access to the intelligence provided by the FBI, CIA, DIA, DOD and State Department has no such excuse.
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