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	<title>Comments on: Bushs&#8217; Plastic Turkey</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: corwin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/11/24/bushs-plastic-turkey/comment-page-1/#comment-155766</link>
		<dc:creator>corwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People,
        My take on the plastic turkey comments.It says a huge amount  about anyone believing such nonsense.A reporter from the  Madison (Wis) newspaper wrote someting about this.I'd written a brief note to his editor asking if he could take  a MMPI.My feelings about this can best be explaianed by an illustration from my own profession (medicine).A few months ago,there was a news story about a teenage girl who had peanut allergies and died after kissing a boy who'd eaten a PB and J hours earlier.
No dod I know believed the story for a second.Anyone with professional training in the field knew enogh about antigen loads,anaphylaxis, respnse time to know there was no possibility of it being real.Zip.Nada.So,it may have flown by people who weren't knowldgeable,but it screeched to a halt when it ran into people with  professsional expertise.(And the story was changed  to say cause of death was an asthma attack.)
  Now,a plastic turkey story presupposes
1)There were no actual turkeys available in Iraq for the president to carry;
2)The president was stupid enough to carry  a plastic  turkey 
3)No one was smart enough to tell the President what an error carrying a plastic turkey would be.
4)The soldiders wouldn't react to this
5)National media wouldn't pick this up.
  Anyone believing the above is almost impervious to reality.But,not quite.There must be a little trepidation about being exposed,hence the 'Who can say"? commentsThis is akin to a group of ,say,chiroppracters or homeopaths banding into a group to practice group denial of non nucleosides as a treatmeent of HIV.They don't want to believe this,so they'll refuse.It is intensely interesting to see an editor deny painful knowledge.This is someone who would scoff at a conspiracy to fake a lunar landing,but is just as nutty.I'm serious.I would  love a personality profile on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People,<br />
        My take on the plastic turkey comments.It says a huge amount  about anyone believing such nonsense.A reporter from the  Madison (Wis) newspaper wrote someting about this.I&#8217;d written a brief note to his editor asking if he could take  a MMPI.My feelings about this can best be explaianed by an illustration from my own profession (medicine).A few months ago,there was a news story about a teenage girl who had peanut allergies and died after kissing a boy who&#8217;d eaten a PB and J hours earlier.<br />
No dod I know believed the story for a second.Anyone with professional training in the field knew enogh about antigen loads,anaphylaxis, respnse time to know there was no possibility of it being real.Zip.Nada.So,it may have flown by people who weren&#8217;t knowldgeable,but it screeched to a halt when it ran into people with  professsional expertise.(And the story was changed  to say cause of death was an asthma attack.)<br />
  Now,a plastic turkey story presupposes<br />
1)There were no actual turkeys available in Iraq for the president to carry;<br />
2)The president was stupid enough to carry  a plastic  turkey<br />
3)No one was smart enough to tell the President what an error carrying a plastic turkey would be.<br />
4)The soldiders wouldn&#8217;t react to this<br />
5)National media wouldn&#8217;t pick this up.<br />
  Anyone believing the above is almost impervious to reality.But,not quite.There must be a little trepidation about being exposed,hence the &#8216;Who can say&#8221;? commentsThis is akin to a group of ,say,chiroppracters or homeopaths banding into a group to practice group denial of non nucleosides as a treatmeent of HIV.They don&#8217;t want to believe this,so they&#8217;ll refuse.It is intensely interesting to see an editor deny painful knowledge.This is someone who would scoff at a conspiracy to fake a lunar landing,but is just as nutty.I&#8217;m serious.I would  love a personality profile on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Treacher</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/11/24/bushs-plastic-turkey/comment-page-1/#comment-140520</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Treacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t only left-wingers that make mistakes, you know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, just this one. Which is what the subject of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t only left-wingers that make mistakes, you know.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, just this one. Which is what the subject of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.

Bush 43 evil?  Nonsense.

The same people calling Bush 43 "evil" are the ones who supposedly love Lincoln.

Who did a lot more things that would make them blanch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p>Bush 43 evil?  Nonsense.</p>
<p>The same people calling Bush 43 &#8220;evil&#8221; are the ones who supposedly love Lincoln.</p>
<p>Who did a lot more things that would make them blanch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Comer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/11/24/bushs-plastic-turkey/comment-page-1/#comment-133250</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Comer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't pass on the "plastic turkey" story, but only because when something that "juicy" (or non-juicy, as the case may be) pops up, I go and check the facts. Truth be told, when I summoned that great photo to mind, the "fact" that it was plastic fit the image perfectly. I got the story from the Guardian, by the way, not a left-wing blog. Not that the Guardian is the high-mark of journalistic integrity--hence my double-check--but it is a "real" news source and there are probably other "real" news sources that took the "prop" fact and morphed it into a "plastic prop" factoid.

It isn't only left-wingers that make mistakes, you know. From a right wing blog, "They have blind faith that Bush is evil and wrong so anything can be used to defeat him, even lies." My version "I have blind faith that Bush is evil and wrong so anything can be used to defeat him, even truth."

There are very few people who I would dare to call evil, but Bush.43 has earned that distinction by subverting the Constitution (and, though the story that he called it a "goddamned piece of paper" probably has no basis in fact, it, like the plastic turkey, fits the picture so well that it is eminently credible), by causing the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilian women and children by lying to deceive his nation, and by making me, as one of the citizens he represents, into a torturer. I wish I believed in Hell so that I could wish him a place in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t pass on the &#8220;plastic turkey&#8221; story, but only because when something that &#8220;juicy&#8221; (or non-juicy, as the case may be) pops up, I go and check the facts. Truth be told, when I summoned that great photo to mind, the &#8220;fact&#8221; that it was plastic fit the image perfectly. I got the story from the Guardian, by the way, not a left-wing blog. Not that the Guardian is the high-mark of journalistic integrity&#8211;hence my double-check&#8211;but it is a &#8220;real&#8221; news source and there are probably other &#8220;real&#8221; news sources that took the &#8220;prop&#8221; fact and morphed it into a &#8220;plastic prop&#8221; factoid.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t only left-wingers that make mistakes, you know. From a right wing blog, &#8220;They have blind faith that Bush is evil and wrong so anything can be used to defeat him, even lies.&#8221; My version &#8220;I have blind faith that Bush is evil and wrong so anything can be used to defeat him, even truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are very few people who I would dare to call evil, but Bush.43 has earned that distinction by subverting the Constitution (and, though the story that he called it a &#8220;goddamned piece of paper&#8221; probably has no basis in fact, it, like the plastic turkey, fits the picture so well that it is eminently credible), by causing the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilian women and children by lying to deceive his nation, and by making me, as one of the citizens he represents, into a torturer. I wish I believed in Hell so that I could wish him a place in it.</p>
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