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	<title>Comments on: Saddam&#8217;s Attorneys Use Abu Ghraib To Rebut Torture Victim</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, She was being tortured to get information out of her as well.  As in the names of the people that were in on the assassination attempt.  There really is no difference between the two cases at all.  And I believe the Republican supporters of Abu Ghraib said that the people involved in that case were only doing it for their own sick entertainment purposes.  They likened it to a fraternity hazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, She was being tortured to get information out of her as well.  As in the names of the people that were in on the assassination attempt.  There really is no difference between the two cases at all.  And I believe the Republican supporters of Abu Ghraib said that the people involved in that case were only doing it for their own sick entertainment purposes.  They likened it to a fraternity hazing.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only difference between the two cases is that the "terrorists" were supposedly being abused to get information out of them, and the woman was probably being abused for purposes of entertainment.

I only rarely buy the old "end justifies the means" argument.  In addition, attempting to elicit information via torture tends to yield very spotty and inaccurate information - those who do not have any to give will give false intel, and those who do have useful information will likely do almost anything to prevent you from getting it, and likely have been trained in methods of resisting torture and inserting false information in such a way that it sounds real (and costs a lot of money to check into).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only difference between the two cases is that the &#8220;terrorists&#8221; were supposedly being abused to get information out of them, and the woman was probably being abused for purposes of entertainment.</p>
<p>I only rarely buy the old &#8220;end justifies the means&#8221; argument.  In addition, attempting to elicit information via torture tends to yield very spotty and inaccurate information - those who do not have any to give will give false intel, and those who do have useful information will likely do almost anything to prevent you from getting it, and likely have been trained in methods of resisting torture and inserting false information in such a way that it sounds real (and costs a lot of money to check into).</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lutas - your blind then.

The definition of torture by the Bush administration is the Lack of a Definition of Torture.  If you don't define it, then they do not break the law, and can make statements like "The United States does not torture." and "The United States does not move detainees internationally for the purpose of torture."  Well of course we don't, because they refuse to let it be defined or restricted.  If you were apalled at what Sadam did to this woman, you have no choice but to be apalled at this administration's policy on torture.  If you can not see the comparison, then you're blinded by your own idealism that America can do nothing wrong so long as we're Americans (and fighting evil).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lutas - your blind then.</p>
<p>The definition of torture by the Bush administration is the Lack of a Definition of Torture.  If you don&#8217;t define it, then they do not break the law, and can make statements like &#8220;The United States does not torture.&#8221; and &#8220;The United States does not move detainees internationally for the purpose of torture.&#8221;  Well of course we don&#8217;t, because they refuse to let it be defined or restricted.  If you were apalled at what Sadam did to this woman, you have no choice but to be apalled at this administration&#8217;s policy on torture.  If you can not see the comparison, then you&#8217;re blinded by your own idealism that America can do nothing wrong so long as we&#8217;re Americans (and fighting evil).</p>
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		<title>By: TM Lutas</title>
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		<dc:creator>TM Lutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's see, they have official rapist as a job description and we have Lyndie Englund. No, I can't see the moral difference at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, they have official rapist as a job description and we have Lyndie Englund. No, I can&#8217;t see the moral difference at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Balloon Juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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