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	<title>Comments on: Is The Pentagon Spying On Us?</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/12/14/is-the-pentagon-spying-on-us/comment-page-1/#comment-4560</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This development is also being discussed over on &lt;a href=&quot;http://americanfuture.net/?p=1031&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;American Future&lt;/a&gt;, where it&#039;s been pointed out that this may be a case of the government finally getting around to investigating allegations of ties between these anti-war activists and Islamic supremacist figures and organizations (which may or may not include actual terrorists), allegations which have been bandied about on the right side of the blogosphere for quite some time.

Some commentators there also pointed out that since the anti-war crowd is also taking aim at military recruiting, the government may also be attempting to determine whether, and if so how, these activists might try to harass students considering joining the armed forces, or to otherwise disrupt recruitment efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This development is also being discussed over on <a href="http://americanfuture.net/?p=1031" >American Future</a>, where it&#8217;s been pointed out that this may be a case of the government finally getting around to investigating allegations of ties between these anti-war activists and Islamic supremacist figures and organizations (which may or may not include actual terrorists), allegations which have been bandied about on the right side of the blogosphere for quite some time.</p>
<p>Some commentators there also pointed out that since the anti-war crowd is also taking aim at military recruiting, the government may also be attempting to determine whether, and if so how, these activists might try to harass students considering joining the armed forces, or to otherwise disrupt recruitment efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianOfAtlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianOfAtlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with ford4x4. What&#039;s the DIA doing involved in this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with ford4x4. What&#8217;s the DIA doing involved in this?</p>
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		<title>By: ford4x4</title>
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		<dc:creator>ford4x4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is,  why would the DIA be watching a group of American citizens in America?   If there was something that could have been construed as criminal going on,  why wasn&#039;t the FBI/DEA investigating?

Unless that group is plotting some type of armed action against the military or the government,  the DIA shouldn&#039;t have been involved.
&lt;b&gt;If&lt;/b&gt; they were watching this group for legitimate reasons,  then I wonder what in the hell those people are up to.   Otherwise,  having the DIA keeping an eye on the public is a scarry thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is,  why would the DIA be watching a group of American citizens in America?   If there was something that could have been construed as criminal going on,  why wasn&#8217;t the FBI/DEA investigating?</p>
<p>Unless that group is plotting some type of armed action against the military or the government,  the DIA shouldn&#8217;t have been involved.<br />
<b>If</b> they were watching this group for legitimate reasons,  then I wonder what in the hell those people are up to.   Otherwise,  having the DIA keeping an eye on the public is a scarry thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANd how much does this *cost?*

There is the salary and expenses of the people who are infiltrating

There is the cost of data transcribing and storage

There is the cost of the analysts&#039; salaries

There is the cost of replying to, stonewalling, going to court to fight, redacting the reports from, and eventually complying with the inevitable FIOA requests.

On the ancillary base, there si the costs to the courts themselves, and the costs to individuals being spied upon when they have to hire lawyers for those FIOA requests.

Also, there will also be the eventual court costs involved when these individuals demand to know why they have been put on a do-no-fly list (and this scenario has already happened).

The &quot;secret they&quot; are collecting all thios data, and they will be running into the same problem that the Ottoman empire and the East German Stazi found -- they have *so* much information collected that there is no way to properly catagorize and collate it into a reasonable form, and the individuals who *might* have been detected by a more &quot;targeted&quot; approach to information gathering go through the cracks  and can proceed to be the actual bomber or assassin, because some idiot got bent over legitimate and legal citizen dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANd how much does this *cost?*</p>
<p>There is the salary and expenses of the people who are infiltrating</p>
<p>There is the cost of data transcribing and storage</p>
<p>There is the cost of the analysts&#8217; salaries</p>
<p>There is the cost of replying to, stonewalling, going to court to fight, redacting the reports from, and eventually complying with the inevitable FIOA requests.</p>
<p>On the ancillary base, there si the costs to the courts themselves, and the costs to individuals being spied upon when they have to hire lawyers for those FIOA requests.</p>
<p>Also, there will also be the eventual court costs involved when these individuals demand to know why they have been put on a do-no-fly list (and this scenario has already happened).</p>
<p>The &#8220;secret they&#8221; are collecting all thios data, and they will be running into the same problem that the Ottoman empire and the East German Stazi found &#8212; they have *so* much information collected that there is no way to properly catagorize and collate it into a reasonable form, and the individuals who *might* have been detected by a more &#8220;targeted&#8221; approach to information gathering go through the cracks  and can proceed to be the actual bomber or assassin, because some idiot got bent over legitimate and legal citizen dissent.</p>
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