I’m not going to try to reason with someone who accuses me of being pro-terrorist.

Go Cheney Yourself.

…how about the other side of globalization that you seem to ignore. The fact that American companies practice legal slavery in order to make a profit.
…There is absolutely no excuse for us to have 70 international military bases around the world. America was never intended to be an empire

Sounds like I made an accurate assumption of what your definition of empire is. I threw in the jewish thing because I can already assume you are a member of the Palestinian solidarity movement. Good news, Hamas won today!!

If I say that The U.S. shouldn’t form policy based on what fascist terrorists’ demands are, you reply by saying terrorists aren’t fascist. If I say American values are just; while good, decent people around the world benefit from American foreign policy way more than they are harmed, you say no because America is an empire. What does that mean? How about you write your own dictionary then.

An ignorant buffon who can’t back up his arguments. Instead he resorts to a tactic of characturizing his opponent as and extremist when they are actually a moderate. He implies they are pro-terrorist and he expouses phrases that the real poster never said in order to make his own extremist views look beign.

And Jimmy, don’t you dare lecture me about Liberty. You don’t give two shits about liberty if you strongly support this President.

Fascism: (n). 1) The free exchange of goods and services by rich, white or jewish people unrestricted by government. (see capitalism)

Empire: (n) 1) international capitalism where the wealthiest enterprises originated from a rich nation predominantly populated by white people or jews. 2) A country that colonizes others with military bases. example: Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore are colonies of the American Empire.

Islam: (n) A race of poor, exotic, brown-skinned people whos ancestral homeland is known as “Palestine”, which since 1948 was conquered by the jewish empire.

Evangelical Christianity: (n) An evil, white-supremicist ideology originating in the American empire that is bent on the destruction of all homosexuals and women’s rights. example: Prominant evangelical christians include George W. Bush, Pat Robertson, and Martin Luther King Jr.

Liberty: (n) The predominant inhibitory force against equality of man. (see fascism)

Jimmy, do you know what it means to speak metaphorically?

That is what Jefferson was obviously doing when he said that unless you are making the claim that the US was an Empire at the time of it’s inception. You see Jefferson is talking in the present tense.

Now, if the position you wish to take is that Jefferson actually considered the US an Empire at its inception, I’d love to see you back that up with an argument…

You mean when Thomas jefferson said america was an “Empire of Liberty?” . . . look it up.

The US gives more foreign aid than pretty much everyone else combined. So I really don’t care that Belgium is more generous as a matter of percentage of GDP.

Of course you don’t. That’s why you are blind to the fact that it is a valid criticism that we don’t give shit compared to other nations.

Like I said, Even though the guy who had 1000 gave you a 20, the guy who gave you the 5 is much more worthy of praise and respect.

(actually, does it matter? I’m not aware of any countries where we have bases and the locals want us to leave- can you name some?

LOL! Are you serious?

Try just about every country in the Middle East. Two off the top of my head, Saudi Arabia and the UAE?

Now this is interesting – it’s a statement of opinion and preference which does not and can not have any basis in fact whatsoever: “intended to beâ€Â? is not something which can be evaluated using facts.

It isn’t opinion. I suggest you read the Constitution, the Founding Father’s thoughts on Empires, and specifically spreading Freedom and Democracy through military force, which they spoke against strongly, and the Oath of the military (here’s a hint, it says nothing of policing the world, it says to defend the US and the Constitution).

Not too much oil in either Bosnia or Afghanistan, eh?

I agreed with the Afghan war. It wasn’t about oil, you’re right. But it definitely was about global positioning.

That’s not to say that the US doesn’t act in its own interest – who exactly doesn’t act in their own interest?

True. But one shouldn’t disregard other’s rights in order to act in their own interest. Which is exactly what we have repeatedly done.

American foreign policy is far more complex than just being about oil.

It isn’t just about oil in the Middle East… But it is mainly about oil when cocerning the ME.

Not too much oil in either Bosnia or Afghanistan, eh? That’s not to say that the US doesn’t act in its own interest – who exactly doesn’t act in their own interest? American foreign policy is far more complex than just being about oil.

Now using a real world example…let’s say a man who has 1000 dollars gives you a donation of 20 dollars. Another man who has a total of 20 dollars gives you 5. Who is more generous? Obviously the guy who gave the 5 dollars away.

Um, no. You’re mistaking effort for result. I don’t care about effort, motive, or anything of the sort. I only care about actions, because those are measurable.

The US gives more foreign aid than pretty much everyone else combined. So I really don’t care that Belgium is more generous as a matter of percentage of GDP.

or that America sheds blood and treasure to protect muslims in kuwait and Bosnia from holocaust, or Afghanistan from soviet colonization?

Oh right, we did that because we wanted to protect muslims…Give me a fucking break. Just about all of our actions in the Middle East are not done for humanitarian reasons, they are done to protect our interests. Back during the Cold war it was to stop the USSR and now it is mainly oil.

Not too much oil in either Bosnia or Afghanistan, eh? That’s not to say that the US doesn’t act in its own interest – who exactly doesn’t act in their own interest? American foreign policy is far more complex than just being about oil.

The vast majority of our foreign military bases are set up at OUR reuqest. Not theirs. On top of this, the request comes with “benefits� which is basically a legal bribe.

Are you saying that we shouldn’t pay for the bases? Or that we shouldn’t ask for something? Also, as for who did the asking, do you have a source? (actually, does it matter? I’m not aware of any countries where we have bases and the locals want us to leave- can you name some?)

The fact that American companies practice legal slavery in order to make a profit. Oh but lets not talk about that.

to what are you referring?

There is absolutely no excuse for us to have 70 international military bases around the world. America was never intended to be an empire and people who think we should need to take a fucking look at history and get a god damn clue.

Now this is interesting – it’s a statement of opinion and preference which does not and can not have any basis in fact whatsoever: “intended to be” is not something which can be evaluated using facts. So the question is this – why does the idea that America is successful in the world, and projects American values (imperfectly, certainly…) in lots of places upset you?

What issues against the U.S. do you sympathize with even though you believe their methods are misguided?

I also said their methods are wrong. I’m sick of your bullshit implication that I am a pro-terrorist.

Is it that we give Billions of american’s taxpayer money in aid to Muslim countries like Egypt? or disaster relief in Pakistan or Indonesia?

How about the fact that the US is one of the LEAST generous nations in the world? While we probably give more than any other country, we are also the RICHEST country in the world.

Now using a real world example…let’s say a man who has 1000 dollars gives you a donation of 20 dollars. Another man who has a total of 20 dollars gives you 5. Who is more generous? Obviously the guy who gave the 5 dollars away.

We are one of the stingest nations in the world. That is a valid ciriticism.

or that America sheds blood and treasure to protect muslims in kuwait and Bosnia from holocaust, or Afghanistan from soviet colonization?

Oh right, we did that because we wanted to protect muslims…Give me a fucking break. Just about all of our actions in the Middle East are not done for humanitarian reasons, they are done to protect our interests. Back during the Cold war it was to stop the USSR and now it is mainly oil.

or that Americans buy Oil from muslim countries at prices greater than market value; in essence, the only source of income for otherwise impoverished nations?

How about the fact that we propted up dictators like Saddam and others in the region in order to secure our oil interests?

or that Americans build military bases at the request of governments like kuwait and saudi arabia to protect them from Saddam Hussein?

Excuse me? At the request of them? The vast majority of our foreign military bases are set up at OUR reuqest. Not theirs. On top of this, the request comes with “benefits” which is basically a legal bribe.

or that through communications technology and globalization, ideas like democracy, equality for women, and religious pluralism are being broadcast to the muslim world from America?

Typical bling American bias. Are you seriously suggesting that ideas such as democracy, euqality for women, and religious pluralism exist only in America?

Furthermore, how about the other side of globalization that you seem to ignore. The fact that American companies practice legal slavery in order to make a profit. Oh but lets not talk about that.

I dont care if fascist terrorists don’t like what the infidel provides to muslims world-wide. They don’t like us involved in their affairs because we are kafirs; they should be ruling over us as dhimmis rather than trading with us or exchanging values and ideas with them.

Fascist? Dude, you need to take a political science class. You are grossly misusing the term fascism. YOu obviously have no idea what fascism is all about.

Do you think we should form our policies based on what’s best for fascist-terrorists, or for the everyday citizen of the islamic world?

And after reading I have two words for you: Fuck you.

What you need to realize is that you cannot defeat terrorism by dropping bombs on people. The only way to defeat terrorism is to erase the causes of said terrorism.

The mere fact that Al Qaeda and their ilk enjoy about 60% support across the Muslim board should show you that it’s not just the terrorists who are pissed off at us.

For centuries our policies towards the middle east have been extremely fucked up. Period. We supported vicious dictators, killers, and death squads when it supported out interests. Yet we love freedom and democracy right? Talk about hypocrisy.

There is absolutely no excuse for us to have 70 international military bases around the world. America was never intended to be an empire and people who think we should need to take a fucking look at history and get a god damn clue.

Well done.

Well done my ass. His post obvious tried to charaturize me as some sort of extremist and despite of Jimmy’s ridiculous implication that my thoughts were pro-terrorist, I demonstrated otherwise.

The mere fact that you people think criticism of the US foreign policy means you support terrorists shows how delusional you are.

With that said, my next post will address Jimmy’s claims that America only does good with its foreign policy.

From Frank J at http://www.imao.us

After getting a recommendation from the great modern literary critic Osama bin Laden, the anti-American book Rogue State has shot up in sales. Due to common misspellings, Rouge State, a memoir of being a transvestite in America, is also selling increasingly well.

That would be funny when that package came in the mail from Amazon.