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		<title>By: dean-no</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-7396</link>
		<dc:creator>dean-no</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm. I thought &#039;Old Boy&#039; kikd &#039;Munichs&#039; revenge plot all over the park. Or tarmac. sadly, olympians in questionable tracksuits die in bleached, grainy, pseudo private ryan blood fountaining agony, and lets b honest, palpable pathos, while nobody nowhere mourns the slow death by molar(s) of one nude octopus with no political significans whatsoevr.  Aanyway, anytime anyone mentions &#039;brokeback&#039; like its a new revolution suddenly brought glaringly, and of corse, beautifully, 2 our collective atten-shuns by holy-wood &#039;ortta remember that cowboys bin sleepin with their herds (oops, should that b &#039;himds&#039;) fer eons and no celluoid bumlikn for the pc crowd is gonna change that anyhoo. oh., have&#039;nt actually seen said flick yet but herd the predictable bellyhoo from afar. sounds like an oscar stampede 2 me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm. I thought &#8216;Old Boy&#8217; kikd &#8216;Munichs&#8217; revenge plot all over the park. Or tarmac. sadly, olympians in questionable tracksuits die in bleached, grainy, pseudo private ryan blood fountaining agony, and lets b honest, palpable pathos, while nobody nowhere mourns the slow death by molar(s) of one nude octopus with no political significans whatsoevr.  Aanyway, anytime anyone mentions &#8216;brokeback&#8217; like its a new revolution suddenly brought glaringly, and of corse, beautifully, 2 our collective atten-shuns by holy-wood &#8216;ortta remember that cowboys bin sleepin with their herds (oops, should that b &#8216;himds&#8217;) fer eons and no celluoid bumlikn for the pc crowd is gonna change that anyhoo. oh., have&#8217;nt actually seen said flick yet but herd the predictable bellyhoo from afar. sounds like an oscar stampede 2 me.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Learn, Hollywood, Learn</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-7170</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Learn, Hollywood, Learn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Heh. Looks like I&#8217;m not the only one who noticed the off-putting preachiness of last year&#8217;s Hollywood crop. Even a liberal &#8212; sorry &#8220;liberal,&#8221; as we&#8217;re putting the word in scare quotes now till we know for sure the subject&#8217;s attitude toward Locke and David Lloyd George &#8212; such as Salon&#8217;s Andrew O&#8217;Hehir has a funny take on it as he doles out the statuettes he calls &#8220;the Liberal Guilt Awards, otherwise known as the Guilties,&#8221;  in which Hollywood congratulates itself for its general condition of progressive enlightenment and lectures the rest of us from its newfound position of half-baked moral seriousness. Now, strange to tell, this year&#8217;s nominated films are exactly the same for both the Academy Awards and the LGAs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Heh. Looks like I&#8217;m not the only one who noticed the off-putting preachiness of last year&#8217;s Hollywood crop. Even a liberal &#8212; sorry &#8220;liberal,&#8221; as we&#8217;re putting the word in scare quotes now till we know for sure the subject&#8217;s attitude toward Locke and David Lloyd George &#8212; such as Salon&#8217;s Andrew O&#8217;Hehir has a funny take on it as he doles out the statuettes he calls &#8220;the Liberal Guilt Awards, otherwise known as the Guilties,&#8221;  in which Hollywood congratulates itself for its general condition of progressive enlightenment and lectures the rest of us from its newfound position of half-baked moral seriousness. Now, strange to tell, this year&#8217;s nominated films are exactly the same for both the Academy Awards and the LGAs. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6407</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The purpose of movies and movies with a purpose, &lt;a href=&quot;http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2006/02/purpose-of-movies-and-movies-with.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of movies and movies with a purpose, <a href="http://neo-neocon.blogspot.com/2006/02/purpose-of-movies-and-movies-with.html" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIM, you raised something I had utterly overlooked: Some commenters might be responding to my headline as though it were a thesis statement, not just a throwaway gag. Crhist almighty, I come from the Irv Lieberman school of headline writing. He used to wave his cigar at you and say, &quot;Da headline don&#039;t hafta mean nuttin&#039;, it just hasta get da reader&#039;s attention.&quot; And then he&#039;d fire you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIM, you raised something I had utterly overlooked: Some commenters might be responding to my headline as though it were a thesis statement, not just a throwaway gag. Crhist almighty, I come from the Irv Lieberman school of headline writing. He used to wave his cigar at you and say, &#8220;Da headline don&#8217;t hafta mean nuttin&#8217;, it just hasta get da reader&#8217;s attention.&#8221; And then he&#8217;d fire you.</p>
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		<title>By: kreiz</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6362</link>
		<dc:creator>kreiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iam:  don&#039;t worry, I&#039;ll kill the thread for you.  First, don&#039;t apologize, I like bite-size comments myself.  Not everyone has Callimachus&#039; ability or patience to string together long essays.  Second, I agree with your not-so-startling conclusion that Hollywood is about money and art, the latter often with a leftish bias.  Your conclusion is consistent with my informal analysis of the 5 Best Film nominees for the last several years.  My grand conclusion- 3 of the 5 were usually big mainline films; 2 were usually &#039;message&#039; films (again, all subjective).  So, like most things, it was a mix.  

Finally, Justin- I enjoyed &quot;Munich&quot;, a very worthy film.  Spielburg walked a tightrope, remaining steadfastly anti-terrorist while raising the &#039;cycle of violence&#039; specter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iam:  don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;ll kill the thread for you.  First, don&#8217;t apologize, I like bite-size comments myself.  Not everyone has Callimachus&#8217; ability or patience to string together long essays.  Second, I agree with your not-so-startling conclusion that Hollywood is about money and art, the latter often with a leftish bias.  Your conclusion is consistent with my informal analysis of the 5 Best Film nominees for the last several years.  My grand conclusion- 3 of the 5 were usually big mainline films; 2 were usually &#8216;message&#8217; films (again, all subjective).  So, like most things, it was a mix.  </p>
<p>Finally, Justin- I enjoyed &#8220;Munich&#8221;, a very worthy film.  Spielburg walked a tightrope, remaining steadfastly anti-terrorist while raising the &#8216;cycle of violence&#8217; specter.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip J. Birmingham</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6361</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip J. Birmingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What is it about my comments that end up being a discussion-thread kill? IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve noticed this before ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s you as much as the age of the thread.  By now, the trenches are dug, the barbed wire is laid, the batteries are sighted in, and nobody has the energy to charge into No Man&#039;s Land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>What is it about my comments that end up being a discussion-thread kill? IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve noticed this before ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s you as much as the age of the thread.  By now, the trenches are dug, the barbed wire is laid, the batteries are sighted in, and nobody has the energy to charge into No Man&#8217;s Land.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6354</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about my comments that end up being a discussion-thread kill? I&#039;ve noticed this before ...

Thanks, Justin, for your nice words. 

I have enough trouble making my POSTS one, unified whole. I think if tried to do comments in one, elegant (hah!) essay-like piece, I&#039;d probably have to just give it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about my comments that end up being a discussion-thread kill? I&#8217;ve noticed this before &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks, Justin, for your nice words. </p>
<p>I have enough trouble making my POSTS one, unified whole. I think if tried to do comments in one, elegant (hah!) essay-like piece, I&#8217;d probably have to just give it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6351</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This was my first time commenting here. I will acknowledge right up front that IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m utterly renowned for my typos in comments. I type quickly, very; I speak quickly, very, very; and the problem is that I think more quicklyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“very, very, very!ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“than either of those things.

IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d rather that it be otherwise, but itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s not. So it goes. Sorry for the skipped words and whatnot, though.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t sweat it. Actually, I like your multiple comments. They keep thoughts in digestable chunks. It&#039;s certainly a departure from the norm, but I actually dig it.

Hope you continue to read and comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This was my first time commenting here. I will acknowledge right up front that IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m utterly renowned for my typos in comments. I type quickly, very; I speak quickly, very, very; and the problem is that I think more quicklyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“very, very, very!ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“than either of those things.</p>
<p>IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d rather that it be otherwise, but itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s not. So it goes. Sorry for the skipped words and whatnot, though.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t sweat it. Actually, I like your multiple comments. They keep thoughts in digestable chunks. It&#8217;s certainly a departure from the norm, but I actually dig it.</p>
<p>Hope you continue to read and comment.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6348</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was my first time commenting here. I will acknowledge right up front that I&#039;m utterly renowned for my typos in comments. I type quickly, very; I speak quickly, very, very; and the problem is that I think more quickly--very, very, very!--than either of those things. 

I&#039;d rather that it be otherwise, but it&#039;s not. So it goes. Sorry for the skipped words and whatnot, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my first time commenting here. I will acknowledge right up front that I&#8217;m utterly renowned for my typos in comments. I type quickly, very; I speak quickly, very, very; and the problem is that I think more quickly&#8211;very, very, very!&#8211;than either of those things. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather that it be otherwise, but it&#8217;s not. So it goes. Sorry for the skipped words and whatnot, though.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6340</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that I forgot to say that Hollywood has every been about attracting &quot;the big audience.&quot;

It still is. 

Only now, it either wants to whack that audience for not sharing Hollywood&#039;s politico/socio vision, or coast by with the most puerile stuff. Either way, it translates to contempt.

It just does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that I forgot to say that Hollywood has every been about attracting &#8220;the big audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>It still is. </p>
<p>Only now, it either wants to whack that audience for not sharing Hollywood&#8217;s politico/socio vision, or coast by with the most puerile stuff. Either way, it translates to contempt.</p>
<p>It just does.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6339</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I can see that nobody&#039;s here now, I&#039;ll check in at a later point.

But I&#039;ll leave with this: When artists--at least of the most pop forms, which, regrettably, is the true with regard to film, for the most part, for the most incredibly long time--degenerate to the point that they think that their art is mostly about propagating their narrow, personal and political views, they&#039;ve become living, breathing visions of O. Henry&#039;s &quot;Gift of the Magi.&quot;

Go look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I can see that nobody&#8217;s here now, I&#8217;ll check in at a later point.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll leave with this: When artists&#8211;at least of the most pop forms, which, regrettably, is the true with regard to film, for the most part, for the most incredibly long time&#8211;degenerate to the point that they think that their art is mostly about propagating their narrow, personal and political views, they&#8217;ve become living, breathing visions of O. Henry&#8217;s &#8220;Gift of the Magi.&#8221;</p>
<p>Go look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6338</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callimachus keeps arguing, as I see it, that Hollywood works best in dichotomy: mainstream pix (and I&#039;m sorry, your latest remake #50, puerile kids&#039; movie, and video-game-lift-up doesn&#039;t cut it--that&#039;s my aside entirely, not C.&#039;s) with a healthy and vigorous counterpoint acting as against the prevailing flow.

&lt;i&gt;And he&#039;s right.&lt;/i&gt;

(Aside: That&#039;s true generally in the Arts. What, you don&#039;t think so?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callimachus keeps arguing, as I see it, that Hollywood works best in dichotomy: mainstream pix (and I&#8217;m sorry, your latest remake #50, puerile kids&#8217; movie, and video-game-lift-up doesn&#8217;t cut it&#8211;that&#8217;s my aside entirely, not C.&#8217;s) with a healthy and vigorous counterpoint acting as against the prevailing flow.</p>
<p><i>And he&#8217;s right.</i></p>
<p>(Aside: That&#8217;s true generally in the Arts. What, you don&#8217;t think so?)</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-4/#comment-6334</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And those great examples of counter-film would not have worked then, and will not work now, as mainstream product. No matter how much Hollyword celebrities and Great Figures In Film want them to. No matter how much a certain sector wants (or, more accurately, certain sector&lt;b&gt;s, which would include me--if I could create an ideal world, which concept I gave up long ago--might want) would like that reality to be different.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And those great examples of counter-film would not have worked then, and will not work now, as mainstream product. No matter how much Hollyword celebrities and Great Figures In Film want them to. No matter how much a certain sector wants (or, more accurately, certain sector<b>s, which would include me&#8211;if I could create an ideal world, which concept I gave up long ago&#8211;might want) would like that reality to be different.</b></p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6333</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That said, I can understand some of the controversy here. But not the willful misunderstanding of what, in my view, is the point most worthy of consideration here. Not that I&#039;m saying you have to &lt;i&gt;agree&lt;/i&gt; with it (though the history of film argues for the point), but you should consider it.

Traditionally, some of the great films of independent view--some of the greatest films, period--among which are those we now consider icons came about as a reaction against a larger mainstream.

That&#039;s not to put down the mainstream.

It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; to say that they would not exist otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That said, I can understand some of the controversy here. But not the willful misunderstanding of what, in my view, is the point most worthy of consideration here. Not that I&#8217;m saying you have to <i>agree</i> with it (though the history of film argues for the point), but you should consider it.</p>
<p>Traditionally, some of the great films of independent view&#8211;some of the greatest films, period&#8211;among which are those we now consider icons came about as a reaction against a larger mainstream.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to put down the mainstream.</p>
<p>It <i>is</i> to say that they would not exist otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6332</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, some general statements:

The original post both reflected its writer&#039;s necessary talent for writing both headlines, and more important, good ledes (that&#039;s not a misspelling, by the way).

It did reflect a particular point, and even a point of view (though I daresay more narrow, as presented, than espoused. At least I hope). It didn&#039;t reflect a lack of a larger knowledge of movies, or the artistic, societal, and historical background thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, some general statements:</p>
<p>The original post both reflected its writer&#8217;s necessary talent for writing both headlines, and more important, good ledes (that&#8217;s not a misspelling, by the way).</p>
<p>It did reflect a particular point, and even a point of view (though I daresay more narrow, as presented, than espoused. At least I hope). It didn&#8217;t reflect a lack of a larger knowledge of movies, or the artistic, societal, and historical background thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6331</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first I though I should go all the way back through this thread, from soup to nuts ...

But, no. I&#039;ll react in fragments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I though I should go all the way back through this thread, from soup to nuts &#8230;</p>
<p>But, no. I&#8217;ll react in fragments.</p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6330</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, young child immediately intervened ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, young child immediately intervened &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6329</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/index.php?p=1310&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Heh.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/index.php?p=1310" rel="nofollow"><b>Heh.</b></a></p>
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		<title>By: reader_iam</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6328</link>
		<dc:creator>reader_iam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord!

Where to begin ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord!</p>
<p>Where to begin &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/07/thats-not-entertainment/comment-page-3/#comment-6316</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;i&gt;if you think all movies should be for entertainment only, why not all books too? WhatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s the difference?&lt;/i&gt;
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Because I never said &quot;all movies should be for entertainment only.&quot; I said, or would say, Hollywood has built its reputation and its audience on making entertaining movies, and now it is succumbing to the temptation to make political statements dressed up as movies. I think it&#039;s dangerous -- more for Hollywood&#039;s bottom line than for America&#039;s political system -- when the people who brought you &quot;Gigli&quot; now want to instruct you how to vote (&quot;A project will only move forward if she finds it has a valid social or political message&quot;).

Hollywood is a particularly poor choice as an educator, because its core skills are manipulation of images and emotional appeals, which are qualities of propaganda more than education. 

I prefer that Hollywood studios concern themselves primarily with making entertainment and story-telling vehicles that the public expects, and leave the polemical filmmaking to those who are better at it, better qualified to do it, and worth watching.

I no more care what a Hollywood producer thinks about the social complexities of the Middle East than I care what my bartender thinks about them. All things considered, I prefer the bartender, actually.

It would be the same with a book. When a Tom Friedman or a Samuel Huntington or a Robert Fisk writes about the Middle East, it&#039;s worth knowing what they&#039;ve said. But I don&#039;t read them for amusement. I find Roddy Doyle enormously funny, and maybe I learn something about Irish working class life when I read him, maybe I don&#039;t. But I don&#039;t really want to read his thoughts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

&lt;i&gt;Ne sutor ultra crepidam&lt;/i&gt;, goddamn it.</description>
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<i>if you think all movies should be for entertainment only, why not all books too? WhatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s the difference?</i>
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<p>Because I never said &#8220;all movies should be for entertainment only.&#8221; I said, or would say, Hollywood has built its reputation and its audience on making entertaining movies, and now it is succumbing to the temptation to make political statements dressed up as movies. I think it&#8217;s dangerous &#8212; more for Hollywood&#8217;s bottom line than for America&#8217;s political system &#8212; when the people who brought you &#8220;Gigli&#8221; now want to instruct you how to vote (&#8221;A project will only move forward if she finds it has a valid social or political message&#8221;).</p>
<p>Hollywood is a particularly poor choice as an educator, because its core skills are manipulation of images and emotional appeals, which are qualities of propaganda more than education. </p>
<p>I prefer that Hollywood studios concern themselves primarily with making entertainment and story-telling vehicles that the public expects, and leave the polemical filmmaking to those who are better at it, better qualified to do it, and worth watching.</p>
<p>I no more care what a Hollywood producer thinks about the social complexities of the Middle East than I care what my bartender thinks about them. All things considered, I prefer the bartender, actually.</p>
<p>It would be the same with a book. When a Tom Friedman or a Samuel Huntington or a Robert Fisk writes about the Middle East, it&#8217;s worth knowing what they&#8217;ve said. But I don&#8217;t read them for amusement. I find Roddy Doyle enormously funny, and maybe I learn something about Irish working class life when I read him, maybe I don&#8217;t. But I don&#8217;t really want to read his thoughts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.</p>
<p><i>Ne sutor ultra crepidam</i>, goddamn it.</p>
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