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	<title>Comments on: Idealpolitik</title>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/22/idealpolitik/comment-page-1/#comment-6974</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Callimachus -- I'm glad to see you use the phrase "Wilsonian idealism of the neo-conservatives" -- as a traditional conservative, it is an indictment of both Wilsonianism and neo-conservatism.  Two birds, one stone.  Absent "realpolitik" and the "manifest bungling" (inherent in geopolitical adventurism - regardless of the doe-eyed ideal be pursued)  what exactly are we talking about?  How would you suggest we implement our Wilsonianism -- (hopefully better than Wilson did or the neo-conservatives)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Callimachus &#8212; I&#8217;m glad to see you use the phrase &#8220;Wilsonian idealism of the neo-conservatives&#8221; &#8212; as a traditional conservative, it is an indictment of both Wilsonianism and neo-conservatism.  Two birds, one stone.  Absent &#8220;realpolitik&#8221; and the &#8220;manifest bungling&#8221; (inherent in geopolitical adventurism - regardless of the doe-eyed ideal be pursued)  what exactly are we talking about?  How would you suggest we implement our Wilsonianism &#8212; (hopefully better than Wilson did or the neo-conservatives)?</p>
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		<title>By: probligo</title>
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		<dc:creator>probligo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you surprised?  Have you only just found out about the Kurds?  Or who "drew the lines"? Or why they were drawn like that?

One of the principles behind Britain's (and other European) colonial power was the division and intermixing of peoples - divide and rule in its purest form.  In most instances,  principally in Africa,  Britain has engineered its way out from under very successfully indeed.  But,  that has not solved the problems...

And,  I hate to say it,  the Dhimmi's approach of "separate them into "terrorists and cattle" is not going to work.  Why?  Because it ignores the fact that terrorists and cattle both have in fact the same divisions.  In the case of Iraq;  Shia,  Sunni and Kurd.  In the case of Afghanistan;  you could probably track eack of the warlords to "tribal" divisions.  When the US administration starts realising that their colonial ambitions are going to have to take that level of detail into account,  they might just start making some progress.

It goes further -

When the Kurds get what they want in Iraq,  the pressure is going to hit Turkey.  Why?  Go back through the news of the past 50 years and find out.  

What will the US do if the Sunnis create a "supernation" including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and west Iraq?  That is the original Arab homeland.  The Bedou might find life pretty tough if that happens.

The fight against corruption and oppression begins after that...

Oh,  and yes,  Winston Churchill was involved.  He was a mover and shaker in British politics and foreign policy before WW1.  His (in)fame is not just from WW2.  The landing on the Dardanelles (which gave rise to the ANZAC tradition) was his idea,  and under his control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you surprised?  Have you only just found out about the Kurds?  Or who &#8220;drew the lines&#8221;? Or why they were drawn like that?</p>
<p>One of the principles behind Britain&#8217;s (and other European) colonial power was the division and intermixing of peoples - divide and rule in its purest form.  In most instances,  principally in Africa,  Britain has engineered its way out from under very successfully indeed.  But,  that has not solved the problems&#8230;</p>
<p>And,  I hate to say it,  the Dhimmi&#8217;s approach of &#8220;separate them into &#8220;terrorists and cattle&#8221; is not going to work.  Why?  Because it ignores the fact that terrorists and cattle both have in fact the same divisions.  In the case of Iraq;  Shia,  Sunni and Kurd.  In the case of Afghanistan;  you could probably track eack of the warlords to &#8220;tribal&#8221; divisions.  When the US administration starts realising that their colonial ambitions are going to have to take that level of detail into account,  they might just start making some progress.</p>
<p>It goes further -</p>
<p>When the Kurds get what they want in Iraq,  the pressure is going to hit Turkey.  Why?  Go back through the news of the past 50 years and find out.  </p>
<p>What will the US do if the Sunnis create a &#8220;supernation&#8221; including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and west Iraq?  That is the original Arab homeland.  The Bedou might find life pretty tough if that happens.</p>
<p>The fight against corruption and oppression begins after that&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh,  and yes,  Winston Churchill was involved.  He was a mover and shaker in British politics and foreign policy before WW1.  His (in)fame is not just from WW2.  The landing on the Dardanelles (which gave rise to the ANZAC tradition) was his idea,  and under his control.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/02/22/idealpolitik/comment-page-1/#comment-6945</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Realpolitik is more internal;  rather than pitting 3rd world nations againts eachother, it is now exemplified by what is happening in Pakistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan. 

We need their help to the fight terrorists within those borders, so we will ignore the corruption and oppression carried out by the governments we are courting.

I don't know how long we can keep it up, Islamic terrorism is a different animal than anything we faced in the Cold war.  Its roots are found in the holy eternal Koran, not in Moscow, and it feeds off the general malaise and depravity in society created by such dictators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Realpolitik is more internal;  rather than pitting 3rd world nations againts eachother, it is now exemplified by what is happening in Pakistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Uzbekistan. </p>
<p>We need their help to the fight terrorists within those borders, so we will ignore the corruption and oppression carried out by the governments we are courting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how long we can keep it up, Islamic terrorism is a different animal than anything we faced in the Cold war.  Its roots are found in the holy eternal Koran, not in Moscow, and it feeds off the general malaise and depravity in society created by such dictators.</p>
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