Comments on: We’re Outta There By Early ‘07 http://donklephant.com/2006/03/05/were-outta-there-by-early-07/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:59:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/03/05/were-outta-there-by-early-07/comment-page-1/#comment-7423 Meredith Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:12:04 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/03/05/were-outta-there-by-early-07/#comment-7423 I completely agree with probligo. When the US withdraws is of no consequence. We may as well withdraw now. Our "removal" of Saddam has been accomplished. Are we now to undertake the problem of a three-way civil war between Kurds, Shi'ites and Sunnis? If so, how??? We have no solution for that, and we never did. One of the many reasons we should never have gone in the first place. Take out one sadistic tyrant, and how many others will spring up to take his place? Yes, it would be nice if we could clean up the mess we caused, but clearly we can not. It's time for another plan, but when will that be formulated? Not within the next few years. By the way, why is it important that the US spread democracy and christianity to other countries? Why do we believe, as a nation (supposedly) that all nations should mirror our own? I completely agree with probligo. When the US withdraws is of no consequence. We may as well withdraw now. Our “removal” of Saddam has been accomplished. Are we now to undertake the problem of a three-way civil war between Kurds, Shi’ites and Sunnis? If so, how??? We have no solution for that, and we never did. One of the many reasons we should never have gone in the first place. Take out one sadistic tyrant, and how many others will spring up to take his place? Yes, it would be nice if we could clean up the mess we caused, but clearly we can not. It’s time for another plan, but when will that be formulated? Not within the next few years.

By the way, why is it important that the US spread democracy and christianity to other countries? Why do we believe, as a nation (supposedly) that all nations should mirror our own?

]]> By: probligo http://donklephant.com/2006/03/05/were-outta-there-by-early-07/comment-page-1/#comment-7414 probligo Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:30:29 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/03/05/were-outta-there-by-early-07/#comment-7414 Quite frankly, I believe that it matters not <b>when</b> US and British troops are withdrawn or in the longer term whether they are withdrawn or not. Anyone who believes that Iraq will stand in its entirety for the medium term (say 5 years) is dreaming. The split to thirds was not pre-ordained, but is inevitable. There is too much blood, too much history, to long a history for it to be otherwise. The Shi'a want a Shi'a state. The Kurds want their Kurdistan, including the bit still inside Turkey. The Sunni want to be in charge again, despite being only 20% of the population. The hatred between Sunni and Shi'a is "low level" but tangible. The hatred of Sunni by the Kurds is palpable, particularly for the suppression of the Kurds over the past 30 years. I suspect that the relationship between Kurd and Shi'a os in the nature of "any enemy of my enemy is my friend". Quite frankly, I believe that it matters not when US and British troops are withdrawn or in the longer term whether they are withdrawn or not.

Anyone who believes that Iraq will stand in its entirety for the medium term (say 5 years) is dreaming.

The split to thirds was not pre-ordained, but is inevitable. There is too much blood, too much history, to long a history for it to be otherwise.

The Shi’a want a Shi’a state.

The Kurds want their Kurdistan, including the bit still inside Turkey.

The Sunni want to be in charge again, despite being only 20% of the population.

The hatred between Sunni and Shi’a is “low level” but tangible.

The hatred of Sunni by the Kurds is palpable, particularly for the suppression of the Kurds over the past 30 years.

I suspect that the relationship between Kurd and Shi’a os in the nature of “any enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

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