Comments on: Egg-Faces http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:24:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: GN http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10856 GN Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:35:41 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10856 “Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform.� Yes, Cal. Glass and Stones in the same space and time requires the excercise of ... restraint? “Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform.�

Yes, Cal.

Glass and Stones in the same space and time requires the excercise of … restraint?

]]> By: George http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10832 George Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:31:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10832 This discussion reminds me of the anti-American statements that were made by American POWs being held by the North Vietnamese. The statements were coerced, but the "anti side," worldwide, certainly made the most of it. That was waaaaaaaaaay before the Blogoshpere; it was the MSM of the day that were taking sides even then. Any journalist of that era should have been highly suspicious of what was coming out of North Vietnam, but few were -- or so it seems. This discussion reminds me of the anti-American statements that were made by American POWs being held by the North Vietnamese. The statements were coerced, but the “anti side,” worldwide, certainly made the most of it. That was waaaaaaaaaay before the Blogoshpere; it was the MSM of the day that were taking sides even then.

Any journalist of that era should have been highly suspicious of what was coming out of North Vietnam, but few were — or so it seems.

]]> By: Callimachus http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10828 Callimachus Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:06:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10828 The trap they fall into, of course, is exactly the one they accuse the media of being mired in -- and sometimes correctly, I think. They allow a prejudice (in the literal sense of the word) to determine their perception. They're learning what used to be the first lesson of journalism: Reporting goes HERE, editorializing goes OVER THERE. You can do one or the other, but when you mix both you're playing with some combustible chemistry. The trap they fall into, of course, is exactly the one they accuse the media of being mired in — and sometimes correctly, I think. They allow a prejudice (in the literal sense of the word) to determine their perception.

They’re learning what used to be the first lesson of journalism: Reporting goes HERE, editorializing goes OVER THERE. You can do one or the other, but when you mix both you’re playing with some combustible chemistry.

]]> By: Geek, Esq. http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10825 Geek, Esq. Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:25:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10825 Thx Callimachus. Sad to see that there are people on my side as stupid as the Brothers Judd and Debbie Schlussel. Thx Callimachus.

Sad to see that there are people on my side as stupid as the Brothers Judd and Debbie Schlussel.

]]> By: Stop The ACLU http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10813 Stop The ACLU Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:33:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10813 <strong>How To Alienate Yourself From The Blogosphere</strong> Now why would someone erase comments if you disagree with them? What the heck is everyone in the entire blogosphere talking about? Threating? Hey, its not like its the first time. ….or the second time even. ….or even the third. Who need... How To Alienate Yourself From The Blogosphere

Now why would someone erase comments if you disagree with them? What the heck is everyone in the entire blogosphere talking about? Threating? Hey, its not like its the first time. ….or the second time even. ….or even the third. Who need…

]]> By: Callimachus http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10810 Callimachus Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:15:32 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10810 Geek, good question. They're not hard to find, so I don't know why people don't link to more of them. Actually, the ones I have seen linked most often are comments left by anti people on pro-war sites like Beautiful Atrocities. Here's <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/30/podhoretz-attacks-carroll/" rel="nofollow"><b>Think Progress</b></a>, for an example of such a comment in a "liberal" blog post itself. Not a commenter, but the blog itself: <blockquote> This is a day that we should celebrate Jill Carroll’s courage. She put herself in danger to try to give the world a more accurate picture of Iraq. It is totally inappropriate to assume that her description of how she was treated is motivated by anything other than a desire to tell the truth. </blockquote> Not the only one, but you've drawn yourself a magic circle in advance by claiming the right to call certain undefined left/progressive/anti sites as unfair examples, so it's likely not worth the time to come up with a full list so you can find reasons to disinclude all of them. So, there's one for you. Geek, good question. They’re not hard to find, so I don’t know why people don’t link to more of them. Actually, the ones I have seen linked most often are comments left by anti people on pro-war sites like Beautiful Atrocities.

Here’s Think Progress, for an example of such a comment in a “liberal” blog post itself. Not a commenter, but the blog itself:

This is a day that we should celebrate Jill Carroll’s courage. She put herself in danger to try to give the world a more accurate picture of Iraq. It is totally inappropriate to assume that her description of how she was treated is motivated by anything other than a desire to tell the truth.

Not the only one, but you’ve drawn yourself a magic circle in advance by claiming the right to call certain undefined left/progressive/anti sites as unfair examples, so it’s likely not worth the time to come up with a full list so you can find reasons to disinclude all of them. So, there’s one for you.

]]> By: kreiz http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10807 kreiz Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:50:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10807 "Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform." God, it's so true.. “Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform.”
God, it’s so true..

]]> By: Geek, Esq. http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10806 Geek, Esq. Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:40:07 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10806 Just out of curiousity, why aren't any conservative bloggers linking to these liberals/lefties who were asserting the truth of Carroll's videotaped statement? I mean, I'm a liberal, I read liberal blogs, and I didn't see anyone engaging in such rank stupidity. I guess maybe some tool in Atrios's comments or on Democratic Underground made that comment. But, if they're fair game, then the creatures who comment at LGF are fair game as well. Just out of curiousity, why aren’t any conservative bloggers linking to these liberals/lefties who were asserting the truth of Carroll’s videotaped statement?

I mean, I’m a liberal, I read liberal blogs, and I didn’t see anyone engaging in such rank stupidity. I guess maybe some tool in Atrios’s comments or on Democratic Underground made that comment. But, if they’re fair game, then the creatures who comment at LGF are fair game as well.

]]> By: goethe girl http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10805 goethe girl Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:35:31 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10805 People on the Right may be a little sensitive because of the ungrateful reaction of the "Peacekeepers" after their recent freeing. Carroll's response today sounds very classy. People on the Right may be a little sensitive because of the ungrateful reaction of the “Peacekeepers” after their recent freeing. Carroll’s response today sounds very classy.

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10802 Justin Gardner Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:31:56 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10802 <blockquote>Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform.</blockquote> Well said.

Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform.

Well said.

]]> By: A Blog For All http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10801 A Blog For All Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:23:04 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10801 <strong>The Repudiation</strong> Much is to be made of the blogging reaction of Carroll's statements made, both those while still being held prisoner and those made immediately after her release. In fact, it appears that that subject is far more relevant to blogosphere discussion (a... The Repudiation

Much is to be made of the blogging reaction of Carroll’s statements made, both those while still being held prisoner and those made immediately after her release. In fact, it appears that that subject is far more relevant to blogosphere discussion (a…

]]> By: Alan Stewart Carl http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10800 Alan Stewart Carl Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:22:17 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10800 This goes to show you that ideologues are much more interested in symbolism than reality. When Carroll was captured, she was, for many, a symbol of how viscious and irredeemably evil the enemy was. But suddenly she's on tape criticizing the war and she's morphed into a symbol of how putridly anti-American the media is. Makes you wonder if some of these offenders really even cared about this woman's life. This goes to show you that ideologues are much more interested in symbolism than reality. When Carroll was captured, she was, for many, a symbol of how viscious and irredeemably evil the enemy was. But suddenly she’s on tape criticizing the war and she’s morphed into a symbol of how putridly anti-American the media is.

Makes you wonder if some of these offenders really even cared about this woman’s life.

]]> By: Callimachus http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10781 Callimachus Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:44:09 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10781 Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform. Think like a human being first. Then put on your political uniform.

]]> By: John Foland http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10778 John Foland Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:34:48 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10778 Good advice for all who blog from the hip. It should also be a reminder that being Right or Left on every issue is most often rather silly, particularly when the "facts" aren't yet facts, but speculation. Perhaps we all need to do a bit of real thinking before spouting baseless opinions. 'Course, that's just my opinion. Good advice for all who blog from the hip. It should also be a reminder that being Right or Left on every issue is most often rather silly, particularly when the “facts” aren’t yet facts, but speculation. Perhaps we all need to do a bit of real thinking before spouting baseless opinions. ‘Course, that’s just my opinion.

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10769 Jimmy the Dhimmi Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:25:55 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10769 Its not just the right side of the bloggisphere that has egg on their faces. I recall reading a post on Crooks-and-liars where the author praised her for her bold anti-Bush stance in the face of danger. They blasted the conservatives who criticised her initial (now proven fabricated) statement, claiming it was another attempt to squelch dissent. I can't find that particular post on their archives, apparently they were so embarrased that they took it down. Its not just the right side of the bloggisphere that has egg on their faces. I recall reading a post on Crooks-and-liars where the author praised her for her bold anti-Bush stance in the face of danger.

They blasted the conservatives who criticised her initial (now proven fabricated) statement, claiming it was another attempt to squelch dissent. I can’t find that particular post on their archives, apparently they were so embarrased that they took it down.

]]> By: michael reynolds http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-10752 michael reynolds Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:52:03 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/04/02/egg-faces/#comment-10752 I am generally in favor of free expression. But in some cases, when treating some kinds of experience, we need to be very careful about opening our mouths and offering an opinion. You don't tell a combat vet how brave you would be unless you've been there; and unless you've spent three months locked up with images of decapitations playing on a loop in your head, you think very carefully before critcizing someone who has. It' so easy to be fearless and resolute from the safety of your living room. I am generally in favor of free expression. But in some cases, when treating some kinds of experience, we need to be very careful about opening our mouths and offering an opinion. You don’t tell a combat vet how brave you would be unless you’ve been there; and unless you’ve spent three months locked up with images of decapitations playing on a loop in your head, you think very carefully before critcizing someone who has.

It’ so easy to be fearless and resolute from the safety of your living room.

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