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		<title>By: Fabulously Jinxed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush caught red-faced again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabulously Jinxed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush caught red-faced again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some right wing[1] and &#8220;moderate&#8221; blogs just don&#8217;t understand why we angry liberals are so angry about the revelation that Bush himself authorized the leaks. They don&#8217;t understand why, after we found out the king made the decree, we don&#8217;t just follow them and say &#8220;Well, shoot. Ok, well, enough investigating then. He was only trying to prove to those damned naysayers that he was right all along.&#8221; And I thought that elephants were supposed to have long memories. Guess it&#8217;s the kool-aid that makes them forgetful. Thanks to &#8220;The Raw Story&#8221; [2] for compiling all the lies for us to take a look at, perhaps jarring some memories about why Bush is a bold-faced liar.  President Bush, 9/30/03: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I&#8217;d like to know it,{a} and we&#8217;ll take the appropriate action.&#8221; President Bush, 9/30/03: &#8220;If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of{b}. . . . I have told our administration, people in my administration to be fully cooperative. I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward{c} with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.&#8221; President Bush, 10/28/03: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to know if somebody in my White House did leak sensitive information.&#8221; President Bush, 6/10/04:  Reporter: &#8220;Do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?&#8221; President Bush: &#8220;Yes. And that&#8217;s up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts.&#8221;{d}  President Bush, 10/28/03: &#8220;I want to know the truth. &#8230; I have no idea whether we&#8217;ll find out who the leaker is, partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.&#8221; President Bush, 7/18/05 issue of USA Today: &#8220;If someone committed crime, they will no longer work in my administration.&#8221; White House Press Secretary, 9/29/03: &#8220;The President has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He&#8217;s made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration.&#8221;{e}  White House Press Secretary, 10/7/03: &#8220;Let me answer what the President has said. I speak for the President and I&#8217;ll talk to you about what he wants . . .If someone leaked classified information, the President wants to know. If someone in this administration leaked classified information, they will no longer be a part of this administration {f}, because that&#8217;s not the way this White House operates, that&#8217;s not the way this President expects people in his administration to conduct their business.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some right wing[1] and &#8220;moderate&#8221; blogs just don&#8217;t understand why we angry liberals are so angry about the revelation that Bush himself authorized the leaks. They don&#8217;t understand why, after we found out the king made the decree, we don&#8217;t just follow them and say &#8220;Well, shoot. Ok, well, enough investigating then. He was only trying to prove to those damned naysayers that he was right all along.&#8221; And I thought that elephants were supposed to have long memories. Guess it&#8217;s the kool-aid that makes them forgetful. Thanks to &#8220;The Raw Story&#8221; [2] for compiling all the lies for us to take a look at, perhaps jarring some memories about why Bush is a bold-faced liar.  President Bush, 9/30/03: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I&#8217;d like to know it,{a} and we&#8217;ll take the appropriate action.&#8221; President Bush, 9/30/03: &#8220;If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of{b}. . . . I have told our administration, people in my administration to be fully cooperative. I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward{c} with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.&#8221; President Bush, 10/28/03: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to know if somebody in my White House did leak sensitive information.&#8221; President Bush, 6/10/04:  Reporter: &#8220;Do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?&#8221; President Bush: &#8220;Yes. And that&#8217;s up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts.&#8221;{d}  President Bush, 10/28/03: &#8220;I want to know the truth. &#8230; I have no idea whether we&#8217;ll find out who the leaker is, partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers.&#8221; President Bush, 7/18/05 issue of USA Today: &#8220;If someone committed crime, they will no longer work in my administration.&#8221; White House Press Secretary, 9/29/03: &#8220;The President has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He&#8217;s made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration.&#8221;{e}  White House Press Secretary, 10/7/03: &#8220;Let me answer what the President has said. I speak for the President and I&#8217;ll talk to you about what he wants . . .If someone leaked classified information, the President wants to know. If someone in this administration leaked classified information, they will no longer be a part of this administration {f}, because that&#8217;s not the way this White House operates, that&#8217;s not the way this President expects people in his administration to conduct their business.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-12955</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m sure no one will read this, but I wrote it when comments were off so I&#039;d might as well post it.

The way Bush leaked this information is certainly relevant. It&#039;s deceptive to continue to use the word &quot;release.&quot; If Bush felt the public needed the information, why was it leaked to a single reporter? And yes, providing information to one reporter on the grounds that she can&#039;t identify its source is leaking. He&#039;s the President, not God. He can&#039;t change the meaning of words on a whim.

Just as important, the information was leaked after opposing views were deleted. Bush claims he was interested in the public&#039;s right to know, but he really only wanted them to know information that helped him. I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t see how anyone could look at these facts and not agree that Bush was being very dishonest.

And Brian, could you please leave the &quot;Bush lied, people died&quot; and &quot;Bush Derangement Syndrome&quot; talk to the Michelle Malkins of the world? I like this board because the exchanges are pretty reasonable. When you&#039;re the only one using that kind of language, who exactly are you satirizing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m sure no one will read this, but I wrote it when comments were off so I&#8217;d might as well post it.</p>
<p>The way Bush leaked this information is certainly relevant. It&#8217;s deceptive to continue to use the word &#8220;release.&#8221; If Bush felt the public needed the information, why was it leaked to a single reporter? And yes, providing information to one reporter on the grounds that she can&#8217;t identify its source is leaking. He&#8217;s the President, not God. He can&#8217;t change the meaning of words on a whim.</p>
<p>Just as important, the information was leaked after opposing views were deleted. Bush claims he was interested in the public&#8217;s right to know, but he really only wanted them to know information that helped him. I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t see how anyone could look at these facts and not agree that Bush was being very dishonest.</p>
<p>And Brian, could you please leave the &#8220;Bush lied, people died&#8221; and &#8220;Bush Derangement Syndrome&#8221; talk to the Michelle Malkins of the world? I like this board because the exchanges are pretty reasonable. When you&#8217;re the only one using that kind of language, who exactly are you satirizing?</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-12051</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush&#039;s quote about the &quot;leak&quot; was referring to the leak of Plame&#039;s name, not about the release of the intelligence his administration used to go to war.  

The only thing I can conclude with this situation is that that people who cannot see this difference simply don&#039;t want to. 

I&#039;m open to being convinced otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush&#8217;s quote about the &#8220;leak&#8221; was referring to the leak of Plame&#8217;s name, not about the release of the intelligence his administration used to go to war.  </p>
<p>The only thing I can conclude with this situation is that that people who cannot see this difference simply don&#8217;t want to. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m open to being convinced otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian in MA</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-12035</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before: &quot;We demand you tell us information about Iraq! Since you aren&#039;t you aren&#039;t being forward with us! Gimme Gimme Gimme! Bush lied. People died!&quot;

After: &quot;You gave the information in a way different from what we thought you would! You did not follow our vague demands exactly as we wanted you to! Bush lied. People died!&quot;

Conclusion: If you have Bush Derangement Syndrome, everything Bush does is somehow either a lie or a cover-up, and you will proclaim his support is waning regardless of what he does. Bush isn&#039;t running for re-election, therefore his approval numbers don&#039;t mean squat. At least Bush has a platform, I&#039;m still waiting for the &quot;clear vision&quot; the Democrats keep saying they have. I&#039;d rather vote for a party who has a clue for a party who won&#039;t leak the intelligence on what their freaking plan is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before: &#8220;We demand you tell us information about Iraq! Since you aren&#8217;t you aren&#8217;t being forward with us! Gimme Gimme Gimme! Bush lied. People died!&#8221;</p>
<p>After: &#8220;You gave the information in a way different from what we thought you would! You did not follow our vague demands exactly as we wanted you to! Bush lied. People died!&#8221;</p>
<p>Conclusion: If you have Bush Derangement Syndrome, everything Bush does is somehow either a lie or a cover-up, and you will proclaim his support is waning regardless of what he does. Bush isn&#8217;t running for re-election, therefore his approval numbers don&#8217;t mean squat. At least Bush has a platform, I&#8217;m still waiting for the &#8220;clear vision&#8221; the Democrats keep saying they have. I&#8217;d rather vote for a party who has a clue for a party who won&#8217;t leak the intelligence on what their freaking plan is.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11948</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
What do you think of their methods Cal?
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We can have that discussion another time. I don&#039;t perform on demand. And I&#039;m still a &quot;water&#039;s edge&quot; guy when it comes to situations where our troops are under fire. And there&#039;s no water&#039;s edge on the blogosphere, so I choose my words and situations deliberately. Sorry, just the way I am. I&#039;m not arrogant enough to think my mouth matters, but not impudent enough to think that means I should shoot it off at every opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
What do you think of their methods Cal?
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<p>We can have that discussion another time. I don&#8217;t perform on demand. And I&#8217;m still a &#8220;water&#8217;s edge&#8221; guy when it comes to situations where our troops are under fire. And there&#8217;s no water&#8217;s edge on the blogosphere, so I choose my words and situations deliberately. Sorry, just the way I am. I&#8217;m not arrogant enough to think my mouth matters, but not impudent enough to think that means I should shoot it off at every opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11944</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the presentation of this story here has been pretty one-sided so I felt it was my duty as the House Incarnation of Neo-Con Evil or whatever it is I&#039;m supposed to be, to throw out one of the views from the other side. In the interest of, y&#039;know, balance or whatever it is we&#039;re supposed to be trying to do.

Me, I think it&#039;s debatable whether you absolutely can call something a &quot;leak&quot; if the president authorized it. Which makes his quote about leaks kind of moot. And since I&#039;m for knowing more, not less, about what the government knew about Iraq, I&#039;m glad to have had access to the information about Niger. As a media type, I&#039;m in favor of leaks, generally, whether the president approves them or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the presentation of this story here has been pretty one-sided so I felt it was my duty as the House Incarnation of Neo-Con Evil or whatever it is I&#8217;m supposed to be, to throw out one of the views from the other side. In the interest of, y&#8217;know, balance or whatever it is we&#8217;re supposed to be trying to do.</p>
<p>Me, I think it&#8217;s debatable whether you absolutely can call something a &#8220;leak&#8221; if the president authorized it. Which makes his quote about leaks kind of moot. And since I&#8217;m for knowing more, not less, about what the government knew about Iraq, I&#8217;m glad to have had access to the information about Niger. As a media type, I&#8217;m in favor of leaks, generally, whether the president approves them or not.</p>
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		<title>By: GN</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11933</link>
		<dc:creator>GN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cal, even if one is totally loyal to the man, his actions are pretty much indefensible .... he is ego-maniacal to a fault. If there was a reasoned release of information he should have had a press conference and put it out there. He has no problem coming out to attempt a reconciliation to defend a lie ... just  say it up front. It doesn&#039;t take a brain surgeon to see some of the things that he is still defending. 

What is supposed to be a democracy is looking more like a Kingdom every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cal, even if one is totally loyal to the man, his actions are pretty much indefensible &#8230;. he is ego-maniacal to a fault. If there was a reasoned release of information he should have had a press conference and put it out there. He has no problem coming out to attempt a reconciliation to defend a lie &#8230; just  say it up front. It doesn&#8217;t take a brain surgeon to see some of the things that he is still defending. </p>
<p>What is supposed to be a democracy is looking more like a Kingdom every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Amnesty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush caught red-faced again</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11928</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Amnesty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush caught red-faced again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some right wing[1] and &#8220;moderate&#8221; blogs just don&#8217;t understand why we angry liberals are so angry about the revelation that Bush himself authorized the leaks. They don&#8217;t understand why, after we found out the king made the decree, we don&#8217;t just follow them and say &#8220;Well, shoot. Ok, well, enough investigating then. He was only trying to prove to those damned naysayers that he was right all along.&#8221; And I thought that elephants were supposed to have long memories. Guess it&#8217;s the kool-aid that makes them forgetful. Thanks to &#8220;The Raw Story&#8221;[2] for compiling all the lies for us to take a look at, perhaps jarring some memories about why Bush is a bold-faced liar. President Bush, 9/30/03: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some right wing[1] and &#8220;moderate&#8221; blogs just don&#8217;t understand why we angry liberals are so angry about the revelation that Bush himself authorized the leaks. They don&#8217;t understand why, after we found out the king made the decree, we don&#8217;t just follow them and say &#8220;Well, shoot. Ok, well, enough investigating then. He was only trying to prove to those damned naysayers that he was right all along.&#8221; And I thought that elephants were supposed to have long memories. Guess it&#8217;s the kool-aid that makes them forgetful. Thanks to &#8220;The Raw Story&#8221;[2] for compiling all the lies for us to take a look at, perhaps jarring some memories about why Bush is a bold-faced liar. President Bush, 9/30/03: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11927</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the other two commentors have said, the leaking and the lying is the big thing. As Alan Stewart Carl said recently, &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2006/04/07/its-not-the-crime-its-the-cover-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&#039;s not the crime, it&#039;s the cover up&lt;/a&gt;. Bush&#039;s credibility with the American people is getting close to becoming unsalvagable, and that&#039;s what worries me. In fact, that&#039;s what worries me about all of the administration&#039;s questionable methods when fighting the WOT.

What do you think of their methods Cal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the other two commentors have said, the leaking and the lying is the big thing. As Alan Stewart Carl said recently, <a href="http://donklephant.com/2006/04/07/its-not-the-crime-its-the-cover-up/" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s not the crime, it&#8217;s the cover up</a>. Bush&#8217;s credibility with the American people is getting close to becoming unsalvagable, and that&#8217;s what worries me. In fact, that&#8217;s what worries me about all of the administration&#8217;s questionable methods when fighting the WOT.</p>
<p>What do you think of their methods Cal?</p>
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		<title>By: Gratis</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11923</link>
		<dc:creator>Gratis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, we lefties are tad put off because &lt;em&gt;once again&lt;/em&gt; the president was caught in a bold-faced lie.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;President Bush 9/30/03:

&quot;&lt;b&gt;If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is.&lt;/b&gt;And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of. . . . I have told our administration, people in my administration to be fully cooperative. I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why go through all of that trouble dancing around for the cameras when he &lt;em&gt;already knew where the link came from&lt;/em&gt;?  Are our memories supposed to fail when the administration decides that history isn&#039;t how we remember it?  He&#039;s a liar and we&#039;re sick of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, we lefties are tad put off because <em>once again</em> the president was caught in a bold-faced lie.  </p>
<blockquote><p>President Bush 9/30/03:</p>
<p>&#8220;<b>If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is.</b>And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of. . . . I have told our administration, people in my administration to be fully cooperative. I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Why go through all of that trouble dancing around for the cameras when he <em>already knew where the link came from</em>?  Are our memories supposed to fail when the administration decides that history isn&#8217;t how we remember it?  He&#8217;s a liar and we&#8217;re sick of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/09/nie-leaks-whos-right/comment-page-1/#comment-11910</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about the timing of the release, but the method.  I&#039;m sure that the President can declassify anything that he wants, but why not just put a pdf up on a webpage somewhere and have McClellan discuss its contents?  If the information were declassified, why did it need to be leaked? 

Maybe if this were a one-time affair, I might be forgiving.  However, this administration hasn&#039;t done anything in a very long time to show that they deserve my trust.  I&#039;m not going to give it to them now.  Therefore, I think the presidential defenders are full of it on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about the timing of the release, but the method.  I&#8217;m sure that the President can declassify anything that he wants, but why not just put a pdf up on a webpage somewhere and have McClellan discuss its contents?  If the information were declassified, why did it need to be leaked? </p>
<p>Maybe if this were a one-time affair, I might be forgiving.  However, this administration hasn&#8217;t done anything in a very long time to show that they deserve my trust.  I&#8217;m not going to give it to them now.  Therefore, I think the presidential defenders are full of it on this one.</p>
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