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	<title>Comments on: Lieberman:  Independent Bellwether?</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Ingrid Boeting</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/14/lieberman-independent-bellwether/comment-page-1/#comment-32287</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid Boeting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Lieberman: Is he the right man for the Independent party?
In my opinion, he seems to be more like a member of the Republican Party. Close to the PNAC, Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, finally big supporter of the Iraq war...
I search the Internet on a daily basis and, by gully, there are a lot of references to Senator Lieberman, especially his readiness to go to war if a country &quot;does not behave&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Lieberman: Is he the right man for the Independent party?<br />
In my opinion, he seems to be more like a member of the Republican Party. Close to the PNAC, Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, finally big supporter of the Iraq war&#8230;<br />
I search the Internet on a daily basis and, by gully, there are a lot of references to Senator Lieberman, especially his readiness to go to war if a country &#8220;does not behave&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LeftEyeOnTheRight</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/14/lieberman-independent-bellwether/comment-page-1/#comment-14026</link>
		<dc:creator>LeftEyeOnTheRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To read more about moderate Republican Congressman John &quot;Joe&quot; Schwarz, R-Mich., see this blog: www.adrianinsider.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To read more about moderate Republican Congressman John &#8220;Joe&#8221; Schwarz, R-Mich., see this blog: <a href="http://www.adrianinsider.blogspot.com" >http://www.adrianinsider.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Whelan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/14/lieberman-independent-bellwether/comment-page-1/#comment-13252</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing Tom Strong, splitting the difference between Democrats and Republicans is not the answer.  The center is the center.  Those of us who are serious about developing a truly centrist politics cannot  allow ourselves to be pulled off center by extremists who want to define reality on their distorted terms.  

We can&#039;t allow the  political class to define reality for us, and no class in America has a more perverse view of what&#039;s good for this country than the way it is seeen by the political cultures defined by the professionals in both parties.  And in my view Lieberman (and Hillary, too) represents what&#039;s worst in this culture. This guy doesn&#039;t define the center; he&#039;s simply a Democrat who for whatever reason has allowed himself to become an accomplice with some of the worst tendencies in the Republican program. He&#039;s an accomodationist with extremism, not a man of the center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing Tom Strong, splitting the difference between Democrats and Republicans is not the answer.  The center is the center.  Those of us who are serious about developing a truly centrist politics cannot  allow ourselves to be pulled off center by extremists who want to define reality on their distorted terms.  </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t allow the  political class to define reality for us, and no class in America has a more perverse view of what&#8217;s good for this country than the way it is seeen by the political cultures defined by the professionals in both parties.  And in my view Lieberman (and Hillary, too) represents what&#8217;s worst in this culture. This guy doesn&#8217;t define the center; he&#8217;s simply a Democrat who for whatever reason has allowed himself to become an accomplice with some of the worst tendencies in the Republican program. He&#8217;s an accomodationist with extremism, not a man of the center.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Strong</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/14/lieberman-independent-bellwether/comment-page-1/#comment-13158</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that I think it may be best for both Lieberman and the Democrats if he did run as an independent. But then, we&#039;ve been saying the same thing about McCain for years, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that I think it may be best for both Lieberman and the Democrats if he did run as an independent. But then, we&#8217;ve been saying the same thing about McCain for years, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Strong</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/14/lieberman-independent-bellwether/comment-page-1/#comment-13157</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the campaign to bring down Lieberman is regrettable, and will only weaken the Democrats&#039; hand (though it may strengthen that of the Kossacks, at least from their perspective). But that said, I understand their frustration with him. It&#039;s not his voting record - they&#039;ve been very clear about that - but his willingness to rhetorically stab his party in the back in order to further his own ambitions. This tendency was especially visible during his none-too-successful presidential bid.

The Democratic Party really needs to find its own Radical Middle - a third way of thinking that effectively unites its wings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the campaign to bring down Lieberman is regrettable, and will only weaken the Democrats&#8217; hand (though it may strengthen that of the Kossacks, at least from their perspective). But that said, I understand their frustration with him. It&#8217;s not his voting record &#8211; they&#8217;ve been very clear about that &#8211; but his willingness to rhetorically stab his party in the back in order to further his own ambitions. This tendency was especially visible during his none-too-successful presidential bid.</p>
<p>The Democratic Party really needs to find its own Radical Middle &#8211; a third way of thinking that effectively unites its wings.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip J. Birmingham</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/04/14/lieberman-independent-bellwether/comment-page-1/#comment-13147</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip J. Birmingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;PLUS Lieberman bad mouths other dems and give the GOP cover. That is why they want rid of him.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s pretty much it, right there.  Joseph Leiberman is the John McCain of the Democratic Party, except that McCain is pretty much smack dab in the midle of the Republican Party, while Leiberman is pretty significantly to the right of the Democratic Party.

I think that his voting record looks a little better than his record of smack talk, but Leiberman is facing fire primarily for the smack talk, and secondarily for the rightward tilt of his politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>PLUS Lieberman bad mouths other dems and give the GOP cover. That is why they want rid of him.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty much it, right there.  Joseph Leiberman is the John McCain of the Democratic Party, except that McCain is pretty much smack dab in the midle of the Republican Party, while Leiberman is pretty significantly to the right of the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>I think that his voting record looks a little better than his record of smack talk, but Leiberman is facing fire primarily for the smack talk, and secondarily for the rightward tilt of his politics.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lieberman is RIGHT of his state, PLUS Lieberman bad mouths other dems and give the GOP cover.  That is why they want rid of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieberman is RIGHT of his state, PLUS Lieberman bad mouths other dems and give the GOP cover.  That is why they want rid of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was growing up in Minnesota, we had a moderate Republican Governor named Arnie Carlson.  Unfortunately for him, while he was in office the Minnesota Republican Party took a hard-right turn; so much so, that Arnie lost the Republican primary during a reelection campaign.  He then ran as a moderate, and trounced both the Democrat and the Republican contender in the state-wide campaign.  But he didn&#039;t remain an independent; he quickly made-up with his old party, and governed like a Republican.

The point is that just because a group of radicals takes over the primary process does not mean that the moderate candidate will suddenly become a true independent.  If Lieberman did lose a primary but win the general election, that does not mean he wouldn&#039;t act like a Democrat when taking office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up in Minnesota, we had a moderate Republican Governor named Arnie Carlson.  Unfortunately for him, while he was in office the Minnesota Republican Party took a hard-right turn; so much so, that Arnie lost the Republican primary during a reelection campaign.  He then ran as a moderate, and trounced both the Democrat and the Republican contender in the state-wide campaign.  But he didn&#8217;t remain an independent; he quickly made-up with his old party, and governed like a Republican.</p>
<p>The point is that just because a group of radicals takes over the primary process does not mean that the moderate candidate will suddenly become a true independent.  If Lieberman did lose a primary but win the general election, that does not mean he wouldn&#8217;t act like a Democrat when taking office.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one reason I see the low turnout at primaries to be a bad thing.  How can we encourage more voters to participate in the early stages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one reason I see the low turnout at primaries to be a bad thing.  How can we encourage more voters to participate in the early stages?</p>
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