Comments on: Splitting Iraq In Three http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: john http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/comment-page-1/#comment-20464 john Wed, 03 May 2006 18:20:49 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2206#comment-20464 You have to have some degree of a federal country to this. Look at the way things are headed now. Let's not pretend that the Bush administration did not put a strong push to a unified central gov't. The problem is that the minority Sunnis controlled the majority Shiites in a rather horrible manner. If there is not some sovereignty in this system for the different factions, you'll have the majority treating the minority in a horrible manner. And you thought Saddam was a despot; wait to see the kind of strong leader that the Shiites will be able to produce. The real question now is that since we have created a sovereign nation, and are "supposedly" standing back (unless of course they are doing something we don't like or think it isn’t moving fast enough, then we send in Rummy and Condi) what will this new nation produce? Will We really approve? I doubt it, then will we be willing to commit our troops and money? Take away that, and we will see all hell break lose. So, we have to admit that this whole affair is screwed given the way it was managed, and decide the tough questions. Do we maintain the status quo and let things remain so messed up, or do we wash our hands of it, or do we do what we should have done in the first place and put more troops in, enough to actually offer security to every single region, city, town and individual in Iraq. Most people are just pretending that that's what we're doing now, but it just is not so, and the Administration has its withdrawal plan set, and are slowly administering it. The thing is that their going to take the piece of shit that they created, mold it into a cow, slap a blue ribbon on it and call it the pride of the fair. That doesn't make it less of a pile of shit, and it will be the Iraqi’s that will be blamed when they step in it. So Maybe we should just Split the country up, then we can make the choice to step in from the outside should the Sunni's attack their sovereign neighbor Shiitistan or Kurdistan, or not. And God help Kurdistan if they go after Turkey, but what do we do with Turkey when they go after Kurdistan? No easy answer, but if we think it's a united Iraq, then we need to commit the troops now before it is too late, which was probably about a year ago, or when Bush landed on the air craft carrier with his crotch bulging and a sign stating mission accomplished. You have to have some degree of a federal country to this. Look at the way things are headed now. Let’s not pretend that the Bush administration did not put a strong push to a unified central gov’t. The problem is that the minority Sunnis controlled the majority Shiites in a rather horrible manner. If there is not some sovereignty in this system for the different factions, you’ll have the majority treating the minority in a horrible manner. And you thought Saddam was a despot; wait to see the kind of strong leader that the Shiites will be able to produce. The real question now is that since we have created a sovereign nation, and are “supposedly” standing back (unless of course they are doing something we don’t like or think it isn’t moving fast enough, then we send in Rummy and Condi) what will this new nation produce? Will We really approve? I doubt it, then will we be willing to commit our troops and money? Take away that, and we will see all hell break lose. So, we have to admit that this whole affair is screwed given the way it was managed, and decide the tough questions. Do we maintain the status quo and let things remain so messed up, or do we wash our hands of it, or do we do what we should have done in the first place and put more troops in, enough to actually offer security to every single region, city, town and individual in Iraq. Most people are just pretending that that’s what we’re doing now, but it just is not so, and the Administration has its withdrawal plan set, and are slowly administering it. The thing is that their going to take the piece of shit that they created, mold it into a cow, slap a blue ribbon on it and call it the pride of the fair. That doesn’t make it less of a pile of shit, and it will be the Iraqi’s that will be blamed when they step in it. So Maybe we should just Split the country up, then we can make the choice to step in from the outside should the Sunni’s attack their sovereign neighbor Shiitistan or Kurdistan, or not. And God help Kurdistan if they go after Turkey, but what do we do with Turkey when they go after Kurdistan? No easy answer, but if we think it’s a united Iraq, then we need to commit the troops now before it is too late, which was probably about a year ago, or when Bush landed on the air craft carrier with his crotch bulging and a sign stating mission accomplished.

]]> By: John Dermody (alpharigel) http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/comment-page-1/#comment-20452 John Dermody (alpharigel) Wed, 03 May 2006 14:55:04 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2206#comment-20452 We won't see Iraq split up because the Sunni insurgents who instigate many of the problems are fighting to prevent such a split up. All of the oil wealth is in the southern Shiite region, or the northern Kurdish region. Any further motion Iraq makes towards a federalist system means less oil wealth for Sunnis. If Iraq were to split up, the Sunni insurgents would recieve more support from their sect to continue the violence against the Iraqi governement and Shiites. Iraq needs to become less of a federal country for the violence to end and the Sunnis brought into the government. We won’t see Iraq split up because the Sunni insurgents who instigate many of the problems are fighting to prevent such a split up. All of the oil wealth is in the southern Shiite region, or the northern Kurdish region. Any further motion Iraq makes towards a federalist system means less oil wealth for Sunnis. If Iraq were to split up, the Sunni insurgents would recieve more support from their sect to continue the violence against the Iraqi governement and Shiites.

Iraq needs to become less of a federal country for the violence to end and the Sunnis brought into the government.

]]> By: Dyre Portents http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/comment-page-1/#comment-20349 Dyre Portents Tue, 02 May 2006 17:38:36 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2206#comment-20349 <strong>Iraq: Partitioning vs Civil war</strong> Here's a little piece in the WaPoo about the pros of partitioning Iraq into 3 countries or allowing a civil war: Merits of Partitioning Iraq or Allowing Civil War Weighed As the U.S. military struggles against persistent sectarian violence in Ir... Iraq: Partitioning vs Civil war

Here’s a little piece in the WaPoo about the pros of partitioning Iraq into 3 countries or allowing a civil war:

Merits of Partitioning Iraq or Allowing Civil War Weighed

As the U.S. military struggles against persistent sectarian violence in Ir…

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/comment-page-1/#comment-20348 Justin Gardner Tue, 02 May 2006 17:35:31 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2206#comment-20348 Agreed Bob. I think this is what will ultimately happen too, but given how oil-poor some regions are, I think the other regions will tell them to go sit-and-spin, and civil war will ensue. And if you have civil war, that means that somebody will win, take over the other country and we'll be back in a similar situation we were in with Saddam. Agreed Bob. I think this is what will ultimately happen too, but given how oil-poor some regions are, I think the other regions will tell them to go sit-and-spin, and civil war will ensue. And if you have civil war, that means that somebody will win, take over the other country and we’ll be back in a similar situation we were in with Saddam.

]]> By: Bob Aman http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/comment-page-1/#comment-20340 Bob Aman Tue, 02 May 2006 16:38:01 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2206#comment-20340 My opinion is that ultimately, this is exactly what will happen. But it won't be because the United States government thought it was a good idea. And certainly not because any of our allies thought it was a good idea — least of all, Turkey. If it happens, it'll be because the Iraqis faught a bloody civil war and that was how the dust settled. Although, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Kurds get screwed again and we end up with only two pieces instead of three. My opinion is that ultimately, this is exactly what will happen. But it won’t be because the United States government thought it was a good idea. And certainly not because any of our allies thought it was a good idea — least of all, Turkey. If it happens, it’ll be because the Iraqis faught a bloody civil war and that was how the dust settled. Although, honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Kurds get screwed again and we end up with only two pieces instead of three.

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2006/05/02/splitting-iraq-in-three/comment-page-1/#comment-20333 Jimmy the Dhimmi Tue, 02 May 2006 15:37:55 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2206#comment-20333 What is president Bush supposed to do? Force the newly elected parliament to dissolve and draw up borders himself? Biden mentions how the Iraqi constitution allows for some federal autonomy already. Its up to the Iraqi people now to decide how far it will go. What is president Bush supposed to do? Force the newly elected parliament to dissolve and draw up borders himself? Biden mentions how the Iraqi constitution allows for some federal autonomy already. Its up to the Iraqi people now to decide how far it will go.

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