Comments on: Ken Lay…Dead http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-49577 Meredith Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:02:28 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-49577 I thought I already commented on this, but . . . A person's conviction is not final, and therefore not an actual conviction, until sentencing has been conducted. Therefore, it is very likely that Lay's conviction will not stand, and therefore the gov't will not be able to seize his assets in any forfeiture proceedings. The only way anyone can get to his money is to bring a civil suit against his estate, which may or may not be able to be instituted until the estate is settled. If this was planned out ahead of time, it would have been easy for Lay to re-work his affairs so that most of his assets would be immune to judgments for civil suits. If you really want me to get nuts with a "healthy dose of paranoia," I have been hearing lately that the scuttlebutt is that Lay may have faked his own death. He was cremated very quickly after his death, and he had a small, private service in Aspen. Who knows . . . . I thought I already commented on this, but . . .

A person’s conviction is not final, and therefore not an actual conviction, until sentencing has been conducted. Therefore, it is very likely that Lay’s conviction will not stand, and therefore the gov’t will not be able to seize his assets in any forfeiture proceedings. The only way anyone can get to his money is to bring a civil suit against his estate, which may or may not be able to be instituted until the estate is settled. If this was planned out ahead of time, it would have been easy for Lay to re-work his affairs so that most of his assets would be immune to judgments for civil suits.

If you really want me to get nuts with a “healthy dose of paranoia,” I have been hearing lately that the scuttlebutt is that Lay may have faked his own death. He was cremated very quickly after his death, and he had a small, private service in Aspen. Who knows . . . .

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-48048 Jimmy the Dhimmi Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:21:07 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-48048 Ken...Lays Dead. Ken…Lays Dead.

]]> By: gerryf http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-48013 gerryf Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:47:02 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-48013 a healthy dose of paranoia is good for you, but since Ken Lay had yet to exhaust the appeals process, it would be premature for him to "end it all" He could have lived the rest of his days off all the money he received from ill gotten gains and never seen the inside of a country club, er prison. Heck, wait two years and his pal George W. Bush would have pardoned him and they would have walked off into the sunset hand in hand a healthy dose of paranoia is good for you, but since Ken Lay had yet to exhaust the appeals process, it would be premature for him to “end it all”

He could have lived the rest of his days off all the money he received from ill gotten gains and never seen the inside of a country club, er prison.

Heck, wait two years and his pal George W. Bush would have pardoned him and they would have walked off into the sunset hand in hand

]]> By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-48009 Meredith Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:15:17 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-48009 Okay, So the next obvious question is whether this was a scheme so that his family could have all the loot to live off of, instead of him going to jail and the gov't walking off with it. Maybe if the money passes to his wife, for example, it will be harder for the civil suits to be successful since the estate would probably immediately pass to the wife. Maybe they can't go after her in a civil suit? I don't know. I'm just speculating for fun. Maybe the heart attack was induced, and the coroner was paid off or something. Of course, I could actually research the law on this, but I'm feeling lazy today. Okay,
So the next obvious question is whether this was a scheme so that his family could have all the loot to live off of, instead of him going to jail and the gov’t walking off with it. Maybe if the money passes to his wife, for example, it will be harder for the civil suits to be successful since the estate would probably immediately pass to the wife. Maybe they can’t go after her in a civil suit? I don’t know. I’m just speculating for fun. Maybe the heart attack was induced, and the coroner was paid off or something. Of course, I could actually research the law on this, but I’m feeling lazy today.

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47973 Justin Gardner Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:34:28 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47973 Listen TK, how you described that is off limits...plain and simple. You and I both know there are dozens of ways you could have said that, but you chose the most vulgar...and most likely purposefully. Frankly, who needs to lighten up here? You got your ears boxed...deal with and comment another day. Listen TK, how you described that is off limits…plain and simple. You and I both know there are dozens of ways you could have said that, but you chose the most vulgar…and most likely purposefully.

Frankly, who needs to lighten up here? You got your ears boxed…deal with and comment another day.

]]> By: Trickish Knave http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47952 Trickish Knave Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:15:36 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47952 Yes, it's a shame that this guy couldn't spend the rest of life as a tax burden to the rest of the United States. Hey! We could have just sent him to Gitmo to enjoy the white collar treatment the terrorists get. Seriously, JG, you need to lighten up. However, I will save you the trouble of any further monitoring of my posts. Yes, it’s a shame that this guy couldn’t spend the rest of life as a tax burden to the rest of the United States.

Hey! We could have just sent him to Gitmo to enjoy the white collar treatment the terrorists get.

Seriously, JG, you need to lighten up. However, I will save you the trouble of any further monitoring of my posts.

]]> By: amba http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47889 amba Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:32:40 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47889 Meredith, The answer is <a href="http://ambivablog.typepad.com/ambivablog/2006/07/ken_lay_gets_th.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It's just as you feared. Meredith,

The answer is here. It’s just as you feared.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47880 DosPeros Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:06:41 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47880 Poor pineapple. Poor pineapple.

]]> By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47820 Meredith Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:46:43 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47820 I didn't know Jon Benet Ramsey's mom died. Is the dad still alive? I wonder what implications Lay's death will have on the government's ability to receive the fines and forfeiture money they were going to get. Now, I suppose they will have to go through his estate, which I'm sure will be left to his wife. I haven't researched this at all yet, but I wonder if the gov't won't be able to get their hands on the money now. I didn’t know Jon Benet Ramsey’s mom died. Is the dad still alive?

I wonder what implications Lay’s death will have on the government’s ability to receive the fines and forfeiture money they were going to get. Now, I suppose they will have to go through his estate, which I’m sure will be left to his wife. I haven’t researched this at all yet, but I wonder if the gov’t won’t be able to get their hands on the money now.

]]> By: gerryf http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47814 gerryf Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:33:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47814 I had a bad feeling about this topic from the beginning.... Ken Lay was a monster who betrayed the trust of investors and those who worked for him. He deserved to be found guilty and sentenced to prison for his crimes. The more angry among us would probably wish to see something terrible happen to him here or in the hereafter, I suppose, but that would be revenge. Tried. Convicted. It is a shame reparations cannot be made, but I am satisfied with justice. I had a bad feeling about this topic from the beginning….

Ken Lay was a monster who betrayed the trust of investors and those who worked for him. He deserved to be found guilty and sentenced to prison for his crimes. The more angry among us would probably wish to see something terrible happen to him here or in the hereafter, I suppose, but that would be revenge.

Tried. Convicted. It is a shame reparations cannot be made, but I am satisfied with justice.

]]> By: Jimmy the Dhimmi http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47803 Jimmy the Dhimmi Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:18:04 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47803 LOL! LOL!

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47776 Justin Gardner Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:18:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47776 Trickish...one more of those and you're gone. Trickish…one more of those and you’re gone.

]]> By: Trickish Knave http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/comment-page-1/#comment-47760 Trickish Knave Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:54:27 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/05/ken-laydead/#comment-47760 I'm sure Lay and Jon Benet Ramsy's mother, who died last week, are enjoying the hourly pineapple ass fucking in hell. I’m sure Lay and Jon Benet Ramsy’s mother, who died last week, are enjoying the hourly pineapple ass fucking in hell.

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