Comments on: The Feinstein Suggestion. http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:56:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Jeff B. http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-56788 Jeff B. Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:39:51 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-56788 Michael, I know that you are in the majority and I am in the minority right now on this issue, but it is hard for me to see how people think that Israel's response is justified or will help improve the situation over there. Your summary of events was not terrible, but left out Israel's part in instigating and worsening this situation. Like everyone else, you left out the fact that on June 24 Israel abducted two Gaza civilians. The day after that is when a Gaza militant (stupidly and inexcusably) abducted an Israel soldier, and this sequence of events supposedly "started." Then Israel did what they always do in situations like this and attacked the hell out of Gaza, and has killed over 140 Palestinians in the area in the last month. Hezbollah (stupidly and inexcusably) responded by kidnaping two Israel soldiers and killing three more. Right now, the policy that you and most all other people think is the only sensible response has resulted in 600 killed Lebanese (nearly all civilians), 140 killed Palestinians (same), 55 killed Israelis, over 200,000 Lebanese refugees, massive destruction to Lebanese cities, and is still ongoing. I refuse to believe that this was the best way to handle a situation where 3 Israelis were kidnaped and 3 were killed. I see no sense or moral value to such a stance. You claim that you don't see how letting Israel kill our enemies for is a bad thing? This "do something/bomb something" mentality is how we ended up in Iraq, is how the Israel-Palestine conflict has continued for decades, is how Hamas was created, and is how al-Queda and Hezbollah will have no trouble recruiting new members for decades to come. I don't see how you can ignore the present consequences for all sides involved and the fact that this will just lead to creating more crazy idiots who hate the US/Israel. Israel got fucked by a few stupid people, but they had two chances to handle things in a reasonable manner. Instead, they created a problem where the consequences are already literally 100s of times worse, and which blindly leads us further down the path of fighting a never ending war on terror. The fact that no one in the U.S. points this out reminds me of the mentality of our country in the lead-up to the Iraq war. I think that the overwhelming majority of the world thinks this policy is disgusting, short-sighted and ineffectual, but since we are in the heat of battle right now, everyone in the U.S. is too scared or too fired up to recognize it. Michael,

I know that you are in the majority and I am in the minority right now on this issue, but it is hard for me to see how people think that Israel’s response is justified or will help improve the situation over there.

Your summary of events was not terrible, but left out Israel’s part in instigating and worsening this situation. Like everyone else, you left out the fact that on June 24 Israel abducted two Gaza civilians. The day after that is when a Gaza militant (stupidly and inexcusably) abducted an Israel soldier, and this sequence of events supposedly “started.” Then Israel did what they always do in situations like this and attacked the hell out of Gaza, and has killed over 140 Palestinians in the area in the last month. Hezbollah (stupidly and inexcusably) responded by kidnaping two Israel soldiers and killing three more.

Right now, the policy that you and most all other people think is the only sensible response has resulted in 600 killed Lebanese (nearly all civilians), 140 killed Palestinians (same), 55 killed Israelis, over 200,000 Lebanese refugees, massive destruction to Lebanese cities, and is still ongoing.

I refuse to believe that this was the best way to handle a situation where 3 Israelis were kidnaped and 3 were killed. I see no sense or moral value to such a stance.

You claim that you don’t see how letting Israel kill our enemies for is a bad thing? This “do something/bomb something” mentality is how we ended up in Iraq, is how the Israel-Palestine conflict has continued for decades, is how Hamas was created, and is how al-Queda and Hezbollah will have no trouble recruiting new members for decades to come. I don’t see how you can ignore the present consequences for all sides involved and the fact that this will just lead to creating more crazy idiots who hate the US/Israel.

Israel got fucked by a few stupid people, but they had two chances to handle things in a reasonable manner. Instead, they created a problem where the consequences are already literally 100s of times worse, and which blindly leads us further down the path of fighting a never ending war on terror.

The fact that no one in the U.S. points this out reminds me of the mentality of our country in the lead-up to the Iraq war. I think that the overwhelming majority of the world thinks this policy is disgusting, short-sighted and ineffectual, but since we are in the heat of battle right now, everyone in the U.S. is too scared or too fired up to recognize it.

]]> By: The Claw http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-54749 The Claw Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:52:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-54749 Disproportionate response? There is only one response in war....ALL OUT... all others just get your people hurt and killed, and they never work..... it is time to demand that the entire Islamic World stand up and put down their own radical elements....until we see Islamic nations policing their own, we will continue to have these type of actions......that also goes for Israel and the rest of the world...... if radical elements step beyond the pale, it is the responsibility of the society that spawned them to take care of them...... there will be no peace in the Middle East until the moderate elements of middle eastern society are willing to put their lives on the line to stop their own radical elements. I am not a supporter of Israel, who commits enough of their own blunders, but in this instance they should go ALL OUT to end what the Syrians and Lebanese have failed to accomplish, and that is to run Hizbollah all the way back to Iran..... Disproportionate response? There is only one response in war….ALL OUT… all others just get your people hurt and killed, and they never work….. it is time to demand that the entire Islamic World stand up and put down their own radical elements….until we see Islamic nations policing their own, we will continue to have these type of actions……that also goes for Israel and the rest of the world…… if radical elements step beyond the pale, it is the responsibility of the society that spawned them to take care of them…… there will be no peace in the Middle East until the moderate elements of middle eastern society are willing to put their lives on the line to stop their own radical elements.
I am not a supporter of Israel, who commits enough of their own blunders, but in this instance they should go ALL OUT to end what the Syrians and Lebanese have failed to accomplish, and that is to run Hizbollah all the way back to Iran…..

]]> By: kreiz http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-54680 kreiz Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:32:33 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-54680 What Daniel said, Michael- except for the ass-twitching reference. As I was reading the post, I thought, "I can't believe that Justin is making this much sense." Then I saw it was you- so it was perfectly understandable. What Daniel said, Michael- except for the ass-twitching reference. As I was reading the post, I thought, “I can’t believe that Justin is making this much sense.” Then I saw it was you- so it was perfectly understandable.

]]> By: Daniel Berczik http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-53711 Daniel Berczik Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:57:48 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-53711 Michael, Sterling post. I hear there's a position opening in State... BTW, this talk of disproportionate force really makes my ass twitch. The only thing to come from proportionate responses is more of the same. I wish that his concept could be banned from public discourse. We ain't in Korea anymore. Michael,

Sterling post. I hear there’s a position opening in State…

BTW, this talk of disproportionate force really makes my ass twitch. The only thing to come from proportionate responses is more of the same. I wish that his concept could be banned from public discourse. We ain’t in Korea anymore.

]]> By: Jimmy Joe http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-53464 Jimmy Joe Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:04:18 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-53464 watch this to know why you think the way you do.. this video online which explains (by the way, most interviewees are israeli or jewish) why American Media is as well an israeli occupied territory: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&q=peace+propaganda -more information you won't find on corporate media: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ peace to all! watch this to know why you think the way you do..
this video online which explains (by the way, most interviewees are israeli or jewish) why American Media is as well an israeli occupied territory:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&q=peace+propaganda

-more information you won’t find on corporate media:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

peace to all!

]]> By: BenG http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-53303 BenG Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:38:05 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-53303 Hey Folks, Good to finally be hearing about the basic problems here. You haven't been talkin bout the HISI-FIT [that's good] because we've been side tracked with or own mess. Haven't heard much aout OUR real enemies either, namely OBL and his crew! This latest in a long history [4000 yrs ?] of trouble here just points out the foolishness of our leaders' efforts to save the world and spread demrocracy...bla, bla, bla. Maybe next time we'll pick a fight with someting to do with this millennium! Hey Folks,
Good to finally be hearing about the basic problems here. You haven’t been talkin bout the HISI-FIT [that's good] because we’ve been side tracked with or own mess. Haven’t heard much aout OUR real enemies either, namely OBL and his crew! This latest in a long history [4000 yrs ?] of trouble here just points out the foolishness of our leaders’ efforts to save the world and spread demrocracy…bla, bla, bla. Maybe next time we’ll pick a fight with someting to do with this millennium!

]]> By: Francis Barrett http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-53299 Francis Barrett Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:32:44 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-53299 The suggestion that "the Leftist Prime Minister of Spain, Mr. Zapatero is one step away from rehabilitating the Nazis" is either misinformed or silly. Mr. Zapatero's reasonable message was that Israel's disproportionate response in Lebanon is likely to create more hatred and resistance, especially amongst the families of innocent victims. It is hysterical and unhelpful to accuse him of anti-semitism. The suggestion that “the Leftist Prime Minister of Spain, Mr. Zapatero is one step away from rehabilitating the Nazis” is either misinformed or silly. Mr. Zapatero’s reasonable message was that Israel’s disproportionate response in Lebanon is likely to create more hatred and resistance, especially amongst the families of innocent victims. It is hysterical and unhelpful to accuse him of anti-semitism.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-53195 DosPeros Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:10:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-53195 Why couldn't the Mossaud have just gone on an assassination spree? Certainly they have agents within Hezbollah. Why couldn’t the Mossaud have just gone on an assassination spree? Certainly they have agents within Hezbollah.

]]> By: Daniel CAZ Greenberg http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-53058 Daniel CAZ Greenberg Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:49:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-53058 "I haven’t written about the Hezbollah-Israeli-Iranian-Syrian war (HIIS? Straining too much for an acronym?) because there hasn’t been much to say." Your acronym is: HISI-FIT. Hezbollah-Israeli-Syrian-Iranian Fueling of International Tensions. *dance* “I haven’t written about the Hezbollah-Israeli-Iranian-Syrian war (HIIS? Straining too much for an acronym?) because there hasn’t been much to say.”

Your acronym is: HISI-FIT.

Hezbollah-Israeli-Syrian-Iranian Fueling of International Tensions.

*dance*

]]> By: david http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-52875 david Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:00:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-52875 Michael You conveniently forgot to mention Israel's over the top response, the hundreds of dead civilians, 500,000 refugees, and the unnecessary cripling of Lebanon's infrastructure. If Israel was soley taking on Hazib bi Allah that is one thing, but collective punshment of 4 million innocents is why the majority of the world's population is outraged. Israel has no desire to re-enter Lebanon after getting spanked there pre-2000 and can not cripple their foe from the air. It is Israel that is painting itself in to a corner. D Michael

You conveniently forgot to mention Israel’s over the top response, the hundreds of dead civilians, 500,000 refugees, and the unnecessary cripling of Lebanon’s infrastructure. If Israel was soley taking on Hazib bi Allah that is one thing, but collective punshment of 4 million innocents is why the majority of the world’s population is outraged. Israel has no desire to re-enter Lebanon after getting spanked there pre-2000 and can not cripple their foe from the air. It is Israel that is painting itself in to a corner.

D

]]> By: Michael Reynolds http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-52800 Michael Reynolds Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:05:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-52800 Meredith: Thanks, I appreciate that. Alan: That's because I left out the part where, "then we nuke Mecca." Meredith: Thanks, I appreciate that.

Alan: That’s because I left out the part where, “then we nuke Mecca.”

]]> By: Alan Stewart Carl http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-52796 Alan Stewart Carl Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:49:27 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-52796 Michael, I hate it when I can't disagree with you. Where's the fun in that? Michael, I hate it when I can’t disagree with you. Where’s the fun in that?

]]> By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/comment-page-1/#comment-52789 Meredith Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:27:47 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/07/20/the-feinstein-suggestion/#comment-52789 I really enjoyed this post and found it to be rather informative. Just wanted to say thanks. I really enjoyed this post and found it to be rather informative. Just wanted to say thanks.

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