Comments on: Lieberman Sitting Pretty? http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: LJ Westlake http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-61776 LJ Westlake Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:26:31 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/#comment-61776 I don't see Lieberman as the "moderate knight" who is going to slay the extremist elements in the Democratic Party (i.e. Lamont). I really don't see Lieberman as a centrist at all, despite his membership in the "gang of fourteen." To me, Lieberman (and Hilary Clinton, for that matter) are the Democratic versions of neo-cons. Their staunch support of the war in 2002-2003 went beyond the usual timid acquiescence to the administration. They were "believers." They are in complete lock-step with AIPAC and other elements of the Israeli lobby. You can't be a true centrist if you do not support an independent foreign policy for the US in the Middle East. I also agree with the two previous comments that now that we are in Iraq we can't simply cut and run. This utter mess that Bush and the neo-cons have made in Iraq (and now Lebanon) will be an absolute hell to clean up. I don’t see Lieberman as the “moderate knight” who is going to slay the extremist elements in the Democratic Party (i.e. Lamont). I really don’t see Lieberman as a centrist at all, despite his membership in the “gang of fourteen.” To me, Lieberman (and Hilary Clinton, for that matter) are the Democratic versions of neo-cons. Their staunch support of the war in 2002-2003 went beyond the usual timid acquiescence to the administration. They were “believers.” They are in complete lock-step with AIPAC and other elements of the Israeli lobby. You can’t be a true centrist if you do not support an independent foreign policy for the US in the Middle East.

I also agree with the two previous comments that now that we are in Iraq we can’t simply cut and run. This utter mess that Bush and the neo-cons have made in Iraq (and now Lebanon) will be an absolute hell to clean up.

]]> By: Justin Gardner http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-61728 Justin Gardner Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:51:04 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/#comment-61728 You're right. A lot of moderates chose to elect George Bush. But then again, a lot of moderates chose to elect John Kerry and Al Gore too. We've had two of the closet elections in modern times these past eight years, and I think that many moderates don't feel like they really have a choice. However, security has been the topic du jour since 2001, and so many swing that way. My thoughts are that a lot of poiltical moderates feel much the same way Lieberman does on a lot of issues, and that's why he's such an attractive candidate. Lamont ran on the fact that he wasn't Lieberman and we should get out of Iraq. That's fine. But that's not going to do it for many moderates because I'd imagine that many of them feel that even though Iraq is broken, we just can't abandon it now. I don't think we should have gone in there, but I don't think it's wise to leave. That's a very unpopular political position, but there it is nonetheless. And hey, perhaps Lamont would be a fantastic Senator. But the way he's run his campaign certainly doesn't make me hopefully that he's going to try and change the status quo in the Democratic party and recapture any type of majority. Maybe that's simply shortsighted on my part, but give me more reasons and scenarios and maybe I'll listen. You’re right. A lot of moderates chose to elect George Bush. But then again, a lot of moderates chose to elect John Kerry and Al Gore too. We’ve had two of the closet elections in modern times these past eight years, and I think that many moderates don’t feel like they really have a choice. However, security has been the topic du jour since 2001, and so many swing that way.

My thoughts are that a lot of poiltical moderates feel much the same way Lieberman does on a lot of issues, and that’s why he’s such an attractive candidate. Lamont ran on the fact that he wasn’t Lieberman and we should get out of Iraq. That’s fine. But that’s not going to do it for many moderates because I’d imagine that many of them feel that even though Iraq is broken, we just can’t abandon it now. I don’t think we should have gone in there, but I don’t think it’s wise to leave. That’s a very unpopular political position, but there it is nonetheless.

And hey, perhaps Lamont would be a fantastic Senator. But the way he’s run his campaign certainly doesn’t make me hopefully that he’s going to try and change the status quo in the Democratic party and recapture any type of majority. Maybe that’s simply shortsighted on my part, but give me more reasons and scenarios and maybe I’ll listen.

]]> By: Blue Neponset http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/comment-page-1/#comment-61704 Blue Neponset Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:02:51 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/14/lieberman-sitting-pretty/#comment-61704 It seems to me the moderates chose to elect George Bush and the Republican Congress we have now. How bad can Ned Lamont be if these same moderates think so poorly of him? It seems to me the moderates chose to elect George Bush and the Republican Congress we have now. How bad can Ned Lamont be if these same moderates think so poorly of him?

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