Comments on: Goodbye Katherine Harris http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:24:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mutual Funds and Market Research http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-382454 Mutual Funds and Market Research Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:19:33 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-382454 <strong>Mutual Funds and Market Research...</strong> I couldn't understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting... Mutual Funds and Market Research…

I couldn’t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting…

]]> By: Aardvark Gringo http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-71237 Aardvark Gringo Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:17:42 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-71237 Rightous dudes. I heard Mel Gibson say in an interview that God picks what color socks he wears each day. COOL! I wish I believed in invisible people so that I too could avoid taking any personal responsibility for my actions, just like Mel... and the Taliban. Check out my video http://www.aardvarkgringo.com/ Rightous dudes.
I heard Mel Gibson say in an interview that God picks what color socks he wears each day. COOL! I wish I believed in invisible people so that I too could avoid taking any personal responsibility for my actions, just like Mel… and the Taliban.

Check out my video http://www.aardvarkgringo.com/

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68561 John Moorvartian Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:17:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68561 That's funny, that's the last thing pharoh said. That’s funny, that’s the last thing pharoh said.

]]> By: pagan from hell http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68559 pagan from hell Sun, 03 Sep 2006 02:09:06 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68559 You know what; I don't even want to hear you try. You seem to think you have this down to the T. Why don't you go here http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/08/welcome-to-world-of-christianity-by.html and talk to some ex-ministers, and even ex-apologists for the Christian faith. If they can't convince you know one will. Good luck. You know what; I don’t even want to hear you try.

You seem to think you have this down to the T.

Why don’t you go here http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/08/welcome-to-world-of-christianity-by.html and talk to some ex-ministers, and even ex-apologists for the Christian faith. If they can’t convince you know one will.

Good luck.

]]> By: pagan http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68493 pagan Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:27:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68493 PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!! PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68340 John Moorvartian Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:43:44 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68340 Who ever told you when people die they go to heaven or hell? You are right, when people die they are dead. The Lord says the dead know nothing. They are as in sleep. When the battle is over, the faithful will be resurected to live right here on earth. The unfaithful? Sorry, gone. You are the one who has been fed a lot of BS. Lot's of misinformation about what will happen. This is the problem. Many people have made up these fairy tale lies about Christianity and it's so screwed up people see right throught it. However, the truth is hard to ignore. You are a good person and right to challange what looks wrong to you. However, you are close to truth and I think it scares you. God is real, his name is Jehovah. Christ is real, he is the saviour we were promised at the beginning of time when man fell from grace. He will return. Heaven is real, but you are not going to go there. We are to live on earth, that's why it was created. Who ever told you when people die they go to heaven or hell? You are right, when people die they are dead. The Lord says the dead know nothing. They are as in sleep. When the battle is over, the faithful will be resurected to live right here on earth. The unfaithful? Sorry, gone. You are the one who has been fed a lot of BS. Lot’s of misinformation about what will happen. This is the problem. Many people have made up these fairy tale lies about Christianity and it’s so screwed up people see right throught it. However, the truth is hard to ignore. You are a good person and right to challange what looks wrong to you. However, you are close to truth and I think it scares you. God is real, his name is Jehovah. Christ is real, he is the saviour we were promised at the beginning of time when man fell from grace. He will return. Heaven is real, but you are not going to go there. We are to live on earth, that’s why it was created.

]]> By: pagan http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68295 pagan Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:13:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68295 "God could erase the assets of the entire planet with a single thought" You were taught this B.S. and you can UN-learn it too. You know this is what drives me crazy about religious people. They have excuses for everything. If there was a heaven or hell and there was this fight going on between good and evil, would it be so bad hanging out with the devil? All this crazy talk about burning in hell is a bunch of crap. If the devil is bad and people that go to hell are bad wouldn’t they get along just fine? I will tell you why religion was created, people back then were crazy as hell. People were trying to cope when loved ones died, so they came up with this B.S. story about heaven. Then to keep people in line they created hell. "Oh, if you do bad things you will go to hell." Can you see where this is going? It is mythology, plain and simple. When you die you are dead, no happy endings, no heaven waiting for you. Wake up and enjoy life. “God could erase the assets of the entire planet with a single thought”

You were taught this B.S. and you can UN-learn it too.

You know this is what drives me crazy about religious people. They have excuses for everything. If there was a heaven or hell and there was this fight going on between good and evil, would it be so bad hanging out with the devil? All this crazy talk about burning in hell is a bunch of crap. If the devil is bad and people that go to hell are bad wouldn’t they get along just fine? I will tell you why religion was created, people back then were crazy as hell. People were trying to cope when loved ones died, so they came up with this B.S. story about heaven. Then to keep people in line they created hell. “Oh, if you do bad things you will go to hell.” Can you see where this is going? It is mythology, plain and simple. When you die you are dead, no happy endings, no heaven waiting for you. Wake up and enjoy life.

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68250 John Moorvartian Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:47:38 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68250 The fact that any church has money or anyone calling himslef a priest molests children has nothing to do with God or what God allows. God could erase the assets of the entire planet with a single thought, and as for the child molesters, I don't even like thinking about it. Once upon a well documented time, a powerful Egyptian pharoh uttered the words "Who is this Jehovah that he should tell me what to do?" He found out. Boy did he find out. If you're lucky, you might live long enough to find out too. When Christ came to earth the first time, it was as a lamb. When he returns, it will be as a lion. You don't want to be on the wrong side of this one. As for me, I'll be on my face in the dirt asking for forgiveness. So far, you have not given me one reason why you should not accept Christ. No one is asking you for anything, no money, no sitting in church on Sunday, nothing. Nothing to give up. Just understand the truth. How much easier could this be? The fact that any church has money or anyone calling himslef a priest molests children has nothing to do with God or what God allows. God could erase the assets of the entire planet with a single thought, and as for the child molesters, I don’t even like thinking about it. Once upon a well documented time, a powerful Egyptian pharoh uttered the words “Who is this Jehovah that he should tell me what to do?” He found out. Boy did he find out. If you’re lucky, you might live long enough to find out too. When Christ came to earth the first time, it was as a lamb. When he returns, it will be as a lion. You don’t want to be on the wrong side of this one. As for me, I’ll be on my face in the dirt asking for forgiveness. So far, you have not given me one reason why you should not accept Christ. No one is asking you for anything, no money, no sitting in church on Sunday, nothing. Nothing to give up. Just understand the truth. How much easier could this be?

]]> By: Pagan from hell http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68089 Pagan from hell Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:02:22 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68089 Aren't churces a business too? They make their money off of you and they could easily convince you the world is flat. Look at the money the Mormon Church has made off of it believers. From Answers.com: "The financial status of the Church has been the focus of two investigative reports: a 1991 report by the Arizona Republic and a 1997 report by Time Magazine. Both claim the Church is the most prosperous American religion, with Time estimating $5.2 billion in tithes during 1996. The Church has holdings in real estate, as well as for-profit businesses managed through Deseret Management Corporation. Time estimated assets in 1996 at more than $30 billion. " Can you explain how God would allow his priests to molest little boys IN the church? You are going to have to do better than that. Aren’t churces a business too? They make their money off of you and they could easily convince you the world is flat.

Look at the money the Mormon Church has made off of it believers.
From Answers.com:

“The financial status of the Church has been the focus of two investigative reports: a 1991 report by the Arizona Republic and a 1997 report by Time Magazine. Both claim the Church is the most prosperous American religion, with Time estimating $5.2 billion in tithes during 1996. The Church has holdings in real estate, as well as for-profit businesses managed through Deseret Management Corporation. Time estimated assets in 1996 at more than $30 billion. ”

Can you explain how God would allow his priests to molest little boys IN the church?

You are going to have to do better than that.

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68074 John Moorvartian Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:42:14 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68074 Penn and Teller make their living on the stage. Showtime makes it's living selling shows on cable. Maybe you've never been on television. I have, it's a business. Maybe you've never met Teller. I have, he's a business man. These two could convince you the world is flat. That doesn't make it true, it just makes them money. Penn would be the first person to thank you for believing in him, then he'd pick your pocket and steal your watch. You're going to have to do better than this. Penn and Teller make their living on the stage. Showtime makes it’s living selling shows on cable. Maybe you’ve never been on television. I have, it’s a business. Maybe you’ve never met Teller. I have, he’s a business man. These two could convince you the world is flat. That doesn’t make it true, it just makes them money. Penn would be the first person to thank you for believing in him, then he’d pick your pocket and steal your watch. You’re going to have to do better than this.

]]> By: Pagan from hell http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68035 Pagan from hell Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:38:28 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68035 Did you watch the video? Did you watch the video?

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-68022 John Moorvartian Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:33:45 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-68022 I don't believe anywhere in Christ's teachings does he say any Christian has to sit in a church, anywhere, anytime. Nor did he say it was our Father's will for children to die from cancer. In fact, just the opposite. Christians are supposed to reach out to non-believers. You can't do that sitting inside a building. It's our Father's will that everyone live. That's why he sent his Son to earth to pay our debt. Christ only gave us 2 commandments: Love each other, Love God. That's pretty simple. Even children get this lesson. I don’t believe anywhere in Christ’s teachings does he say any Christian has to sit in a church, anywhere, anytime. Nor did he say it was our Father’s will for children to die from cancer. In fact, just the opposite. Christians are supposed to reach out to non-believers. You can’t do that sitting inside a building. It’s our Father’s will that everyone live. That’s why he sent his Son to earth to pay our debt. Christ only gave us 2 commandments: Love each other, Love God. That’s pretty simple. Even children get this lesson.

]]> By: Pagan from hell http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-67991 Pagan from hell Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:15:37 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-67991 And by the way, next time I see a mother and father grieving over their child’s death from cancer, I will simply tell them "don't worry, it is gods plan." I am sure that will make them feel great. Can you say mythology? And by the way, next time I see a mother and father grieving over their child’s death from cancer, I will simply tell them “don’t worry, it is gods plan.” I am sure that will make them feel great. Can you say mythology?

]]> By: Pagan http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-4/#comment-67985 Pagan Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:02:42 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-67985 Everyone please see this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8463073960287313294 Hey, look at that, I used Google. Life is too short to be sitting in church every Wednesday and Sunday. Wake up you fools! Everyone please see this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8463073960287313294

Hey, look at that, I used Google.

Life is too short to be sitting in church every Wednesday and Sunday. Wake up you fools!

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-3/#comment-67421 John Moorvartian Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:27:14 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-67421 Somehow this blog got off the path and I probably helped. Sorry. This was supposed to be about Kathy and what she said. OK, the fact is Christians should not be involved in politics. Seperation of church and State, founding fathers, none of that really matters. Even if the State decided to sponser religion, and someday it may, real Christians would have to opt out. My point was, watch out for the majortity "whatever" it may be. Right now there's lot's of Christians in America, they could push their will in whatever direction they wanted. I would hope they would just wait like we were told to do, but they probably won't. Also, we aren't supposed to ridcule non-believers. Sorry again. I got caught up in the hype. Anyway, I would truly hope if I offended any of you, you would accept my apology. I am sorry. Peace. Somehow this blog got off the path and I probably helped. Sorry. This was supposed to be about Kathy and what she said. OK, the fact is Christians should not be involved in politics. Seperation of church and State, founding fathers, none of that really matters. Even if the State decided to sponser religion, and someday it may, real Christians would have to opt out. My point was, watch out for the majortity “whatever” it may be. Right now there’s lot’s of Christians in America, they could push their will in whatever direction they wanted. I would hope they would just wait like we were told to do, but they probably won’t. Also, we aren’t supposed to ridcule non-believers. Sorry again. I got caught up in the hype. Anyway, I would truly hope if I offended any of you, you would accept my apology. I am sorry. Peace.

]]> By: gerryf http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-3/#comment-66346 gerryf Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:20:22 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-66346 So is arrogance in ir-religion. Gal, I'm not accusing you of that. I am merely tagging on to your post. I find myself equally uncomfortable around those who are so certain in their faith they are compelled to either condemn those who do not share their beliefs or entreat them to join, and those who are so completely certain that religion is huey that they ridicule those who believe anything. For every Katherine Harris, there is an anti-Katherine Harris So is arrogance in ir-religion.

Gal, I’m not accusing you of that. I am merely tagging on to your post. I find myself equally uncomfortable around those who are so certain in their faith they are compelled to either condemn those who do not share their beliefs or entreat them to join, and those who are so completely certain that religion is huey that they ridicule those who believe anything.

For every Katherine Harris, there is an anti-Katherine Harris

]]> By: gal http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-3/#comment-66222 gal Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:36:33 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-66222 John, where are you getting your definitions? "delights in sensual pleasures and material goods"? I found the following: - a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) - A generic term for a number of pre-Christian faiths. Pagan faith is linked to locality and to the Earth. 1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. 2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. 3. an irreligious or hedonistic person. I find it unfortunate that so many Christians spend so much energy discrediting beliefs other than their own. Who's to say that Buddhists or Hindus or even - gasp - Pagans don't have it more "right" than you do? Arrogance in religion is an ugly thing. John, where are you getting your definitions? “delights in sensual pleasures and material goods”?

I found the following:

- a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
- A generic term for a number of pre-Christian faiths. Pagan faith is linked to locality and to the Earth.

1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.

I find it unfortunate that so many Christians spend so much energy discrediting beliefs other than their own. Who’s to say that Buddhists or Hindus or even – gasp – Pagans don’t have it more “right” than you do?

Arrogance in religion is an ugly thing.

]]> By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-3/#comment-66037 Meredith Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:11:20 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-66037 John: I appreciate your concern for me. As to your definition, it is true that I have no religion. I'm not sure what "sensual pleasures" encompasses, but I'm sure most people enjoy those. As long as you're not hurting anyone or building a life around it, I don't think that should be considered a bad thing. Personally, I don't delight in material goods. I used to when I was younger, but then I discovered the credit card trap. I now am an attorney with a crapload of debt who is willing to work two jobs so that I can use my law degree to help the mentally ill and elderly. By the way, as an Agnostic, I do not deny God. I just recognize that there is no way to prove that there is one. Therefore, in reality, I am operating under the belief that there may or may not be a god. So, I have to decide to make good choices and treat people with kindness just for the sake of doing the right thing. This may not work for everyone, but it helps me to be a better person. I grew up Catholic, and I just could never get in to it. I studied other religions in high school and college, and still it didn't make sense to me. So, I just try to be kind to people on a daily basis and try to make good choices. I screw up sometimes, and I know that. It doesn't bother me that I might just be worm food when I die. I really have no control over what happens when I die, so I choose not to worry about it. I guess if there is a hell and I go there, I'll have to try to make it as positive an experience as I can. John:
I appreciate your concern for me. As to your definition, it is true that I have no religion. I’m not sure what “sensual pleasures” encompasses, but I’m sure most people enjoy those. As long as you’re not hurting anyone or building a life around it, I don’t think that should be considered a bad thing. Personally, I don’t delight in material goods. I used to when I was younger, but then I discovered the credit card trap. I now am an attorney with a crapload of debt who is willing to work two jobs so that I can use my law degree to help the mentally ill and elderly.

By the way, as an Agnostic, I do not deny God. I just recognize that there is no way to prove that there is one. Therefore, in reality, I am operating under the belief that there may or may not be a god. So, I have to decide to make good choices and treat people with kindness just for the sake of doing the right thing. This may not work for everyone, but it helps me to be a better person. I grew up Catholic, and I just could never get in to it. I studied other religions in high school and college, and still it didn’t make sense to me. So, I just try to be kind to people on a daily basis and try to make good choices. I screw up sometimes, and I know that. It doesn’t bother me that I might just be worm food when I die. I really have no control over what happens when I die, so I choose not to worry about it. I guess if there is a hell and I go there, I’ll have to try to make it as positive an experience as I can.

]]> By: John Moorvartian http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-3/#comment-65999 John Moorvartian Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:51:46 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-65999 Pagan: One who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person. I'd say this supports my statement. Anyone who denies Christ does so for his or her own selfish reasons. It's right there in front of you. Refusing to believe in God is like swimming in the ocean and refusing to believe in water. I can admit some Christians go a little overboard and this tends to put people off. But that's the wonderful thing about knowing the truth, we aren't perfect, but some day soon, we will be. In the mean time, it is the responsibilty of every Christain to save as many of you as possible. We do this because we love you. Atheists, Agnostics, everyone. All you have to do is love us back. Pagan: One who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person.

I’d say this supports my statement. Anyone who denies Christ does so for his or her own selfish reasons. It’s right there in front of you. Refusing to believe in God is like swimming in the ocean and refusing to believe in water. I can admit some Christians go a little overboard and this tends to put people off. But that’s the wonderful thing about knowing the truth, we aren’t perfect, but some day soon, we will be. In the mean time, it is the responsibilty of every Christain to save as many of you as possible. We do this because we love you. Atheists, Agnostics, everyone. All you have to do is love us back.

]]> By: sleipner http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/comment-page-3/#comment-65946 sleipner Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:17:57 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/08/26/goodbye-katherine-harris/#comment-65946 The analogy between religion and money is totally fallacious. Money is a relatively universally valued commodity, and can be exchanged for pretty much anything in many societies. Religion is a very personal and controversial subject, and individual flavors are rarely valued outside the proponents of those flavors. A better analogy is that this lady is making pickle and garlic ice cream and trying to forcefeed it to everyone in America. Though I'd rather eat that than live in a country controlled by people like her. I have little problem with people who want to practice their own religion in their own homes, as long as it does NOT interfere with anyone else's right to live their life the way they wish, whether religiously or otherwise motivated. If I decide to try to summon demons in my basement via an adult consentual gay S&M orgy, that is my right and perogative as an American, and no politician should be trying to force me to do otherwise. Equating her homophobic, racist, and religiously biased personality to someone who is objecting to her bigotry and rejoicing that she will not have a bully pulpit from which to force her intolerance onto others is totally ridiculous. The analogy between religion and money is totally fallacious. Money is a relatively universally valued commodity, and can be exchanged for pretty much anything in many societies.

Religion is a very personal and controversial subject, and individual flavors are rarely valued outside the proponents of those flavors.

A better analogy is that this lady is making pickle and garlic ice cream and trying to forcefeed it to everyone in America. Though I’d rather eat that than live in a country controlled by people like her.

I have little problem with people who want to practice their own religion in their own homes, as long as it does NOT interfere with anyone else’s right to live their life the way they wish, whether religiously or otherwise motivated. If I decide to try to summon demons in my basement via an adult consentual gay S&M orgy, that is my right and perogative as an American, and no politician should be trying to force me to do otherwise.

Equating her homophobic, racist, and religiously biased personality to someone who is objecting to her bigotry and rejoicing that she will not have a bully pulpit from which to force her intolerance onto others is totally ridiculous.

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