Comments on: Defining Compromise: GOP Puts It To The Dems http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:46:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: nykrindc http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-77367 nykrindc Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:17:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-77367 <b>rob</b> <i>The republicans didn’t do this to the democrats, they did it to the american people! </i> And where were the democrats in all this? I heard McCain, Powell and others arguing against the President's proposed legislation, but I did not hear any democrats doing anything. I'm sorry but they are elected to represent the American people, they are the opposition party, and as such they are there to check the power of the president...where were they? Certainly not in Congress. <b>Lewis</b> I agree with most of what you said. My only point in this post was arguing for where the democrats were when McCain, Powell and others argued against reinterpreting the Geneva convention...this was a matter of who we are as a nation, and part of the process you speak of, but it was important enough that the dems should have engaged in it instead of letting Powell and McCain do the heavy lifting. rob

The republicans didn’t do this to the democrats, they did it to the american people!

And where were the democrats in all this? I heard McCain, Powell and others arguing against the President’s proposed legislation, but I did not hear any democrats doing anything. I’m sorry but they are elected to represent the American people, they are the opposition party, and as such they are there to check the power of the president…where were they? Certainly not in Congress.

Lewis

I agree with most of what you said. My only point in this post was arguing for where the democrats were when McCain, Powell and others argued against reinterpreting the Geneva convention…this was a matter of who we are as a nation, and part of the process you speak of, but it was important enough that the dems should have engaged in it instead of letting Powell and McCain do the heavy lifting.

]]> By: Lewis http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-77242 Lewis Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:23:19 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-77242 The compromise on torture was about defining acceptable interrogation of prisoners of war. The language in the Geneva Convention was completely vague and therefore, did not really provide any guidlines. So this is an improvement in the Convention and that's why the dems worked with the repubs and came to a compromise. That is how our government is supposed to work. You know, people working together. Of course, the people who are at war with us don't follow the Convention at all. So technically, they have no rights under the convention. But as Americans, we have always tried to do the proper thing. And following the Convention when the enemy doesn't deserve it is a good example for us to set, which is exactly what we've been trying to do. We've not been perfect at it, but certainly, our behavior has been far better than the enemy. So before you get your panties in a wad, get the facts straight. The compromise on torture was about defining acceptable interrogation of prisoners of war. The language in the Geneva Convention was completely vague and therefore, did not really provide any guidlines. So this is an improvement in the Convention and that’s why the dems worked with the repubs and came to a compromise. That is how our government is supposed to work. You know, people working together.

Of course, the people who are at war with us don’t follow the Convention at all. So technically, they have no rights under the convention. But as Americans, we have always tried to do the proper thing. And following the Convention when the enemy doesn’t deserve it is a good example for us to set, which is exactly what we’ve been trying to do. We’ve not been perfect at it, but certainly, our behavior has been far better than the enemy.

So before you get your panties in a wad, get the facts straight.

]]> By: frank http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-77162 frank Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:24:51 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-77162 The republicans didn't do this to the democrats, they did it to the american people! Why would you expect the democrats to fight when no one else is, I mean where are the riots... where is the american people. Do something! The republicans didn’t do this to the democrats, they did it to the american people! Why would you expect the democrats to fight when no one else is, I mean where are the riots… where is the american people. Do something!

]]> By: rob http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-77095 rob Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:08:25 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-77095 Great, the republicans decide that torture is cool, because as we all know the polls say the american people are all for torturing brown people, and all you can do is say the dems screwed up. I hope your mother doesn't read this post. I'm still trying to get my head around this post. The republicans are throwing out the Geneva conventions, but you want whine about the dems not doing a good enough job of stoping them? Great, the republicans decide that torture is cool, because as we all know the polls say the american people are all for torturing brown people, and all you can do is say the dems screwed up. I hope your mother doesn’t read this post.

I’m still trying to get my head around this post. The republicans are throwing out the Geneva conventions, but you want whine about the dems not doing a good enough job of stoping them?

]]> By: nykrindc http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-76912 nykrindc Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:26:10 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-76912 It's not about what the republicans make us do, rather it is about what the democrats aren't doing...meaning, why didn't they get into the debate on the reinterpretation of the Geneva Convention? I heard from Powell, and McCain and other republicans, but the dems were mostly silent. It’s not about what the republicans make us do, rather it is about what the democrats aren’t doing…meaning, why didn’t they get into the debate on the reinterpretation of the Geneva Convention? I heard from Powell, and McCain and other republicans, but the dems were mostly silent.

]]> By: Meredith http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-76886 Meredith Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:44:33 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-76886 Awesome - now the Republican party has manipulated people into blaming Dems for not being able to beat them at their immoral, slimy game. I would agree that Dems don't have their stuff together as well as Republicans, but then again, when you're always on the defensive, that's how it will always appear. Dems are always on the defensive because Republicans insist on pushing everything to and over the line. Dems have to fight tooth and nail just to keep the rights, freedoms and moral code that we are supposed to have, pursuant to the United States Constitution. Just thinking about this bill going through makes me sick to my stomach. We will begin violating the Geneva Conventions, and there will be no way to review these issues? WTF PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome – now the Republican party has manipulated people into blaming Dems for not being able to beat them at their immoral, slimy game. I would agree that Dems don’t have their stuff together as well as Republicans, but then again, when you’re always on the defensive, that’s how it will always appear. Dems are always on the defensive because Republicans insist on pushing everything to and over the line. Dems have to fight tooth and nail just to keep the rights, freedoms and moral code that we are supposed to have, pursuant to the United States Constitution.

Just thinking about this bill going through makes me sick to my stomach. We will begin violating the Geneva Conventions, and there will be no way to review these issues? WTF PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: nykrindc http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-76828 nykrindc Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:36:00 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-76828 A sad commentary on the state of our nation. Sometimes I argue with some liberal friends of mine and they blame the republicans for everything, and the President for his foreign policy choices and people like myself who voted for him the first time around (though not the second) for having elected him. I usually point out that more than blame the republicans for everything, democrats really need to start looking at what is wrong with the party. The poster is right, the dems have failed not only to articulate a foreign policy, but an alternative to the current republican leadership. I'm a democrat, and it pains me to say it, but the party is becoming largely irrelevant. It's unfortunate, because if the president has proven anything, it is that we need a change in direction in how we conduct the war on terror and the war in Iraq. Instead all we are left is with the Republican party as the only choice, and a bumbling circus of democrats who far from demonstrating their leadership skills do nothing but abdicate their responsibilities to the nation. A sad commentary on the state of our nation.

Sometimes I argue with some liberal friends of mine and they blame the republicans for everything, and the President for his foreign policy choices and people like myself who voted for him the first time around (though not the second) for having elected him. I usually point out that more than blame the republicans for everything, democrats really need to start looking at what is wrong with the party. The poster is right, the dems have failed not only to articulate a foreign policy, but an alternative to the current republican leadership. I’m a democrat, and it pains me to say it, but the party is becoming largely irrelevant. It’s unfortunate, because if the president has proven anything, it is that we need a change in direction in how we conduct the war on terror and the war in Iraq. Instead all we are left is with the Republican party as the only choice, and a bumbling circus of democrats who far from demonstrating their leadership skills do nothing but abdicate their responsibilities to the nation.

]]> By: number2 http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-76794 number2 Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:25:30 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-76794 I am about through with the Democrats. They have been nothing if not pathetic on this issue. To let McCain, Graham, and Warner look like knights in shining armor on this is pathetic. I thought Reid had some backbone. Obviously, he is only comfortable doing standup comedy in the well of the Senate. I am about through with the Democrats. They have been nothing if not pathetic on this issue. To let McCain, Graham, and Warner look like knights in shining armor on this is pathetic. I thought Reid had some backbone. Obviously, he is only comfortable doing standup comedy in the well of the Senate.

]]> By: anon http://donklephant.com/2006/09/21/defining-compromise-gop-puts-it-to-the-dems/comment-page-1/#comment-76674 anon Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:44:32 +0000 http://donklephant.com/?p=2649#comment-76674 Democrats arent dead on this, but they need a lot help. If the media, Powell, and the former chiefs of staffs see through this agreement and continue to speak out, this "compromise" could still be used to paint even the most "independent" republicans as presidential lapdogs. For the sake of our country I hope that this is the case. Democrats arent dead on this, but they need a lot help. If the media, Powell, and the former chiefs of staffs see through this agreement and continue to speak out, this “compromise” could still be used to paint even the most “independent” republicans as presidential lapdogs.

For the sake of our country I hope that this is the case.

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