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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-83726</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is what bothers you in life? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
What bothers me is that 3 weeks ago, a history-book moment happened in NYC when Ahmadinajad actually &lt;em&gt;prayed for the apocalypse &lt;/em&gt;in front of every world leader (which ended in applause!); and all the leaders of our country can do is bicker about some lecherous congressman&#039;s perverted emails.

0.8% of American soldiers deployed to Iraq have died in 3 years while fighting bloodthirsty terrorists and its time to bail out and redeploy to Okinawa.

Lets get it together here.  I don&#039;t care who made what mistake when so long as we learn from it and fight harder.  If republicans can&#039;t admit mistakes which prevents them from learning and adapting then screw them.  If Democrats love to point out mistakes but address them by foreiture of the battle at hand, then screw them too.

Aww, nevermind.  Project runway is on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is what bothers you in life? </p></blockquote>
<p>What bothers me is that 3 weeks ago, a history-book moment happened in NYC when Ahmadinajad actually <em>prayed for the apocalypse </em>in front of every world leader (which ended in applause!); and all the leaders of our country can do is bicker about some lecherous congressman&#8217;s perverted emails.</p>
<p>0.8% of American soldiers deployed to Iraq have died in 3 years while fighting bloodthirsty terrorists and its time to bail out and redeploy to Okinawa.</p>
<p>Lets get it together here.  I don&#8217;t care who made what mistake when so long as we learn from it and fight harder.  If republicans can&#8217;t admit mistakes which prevents them from learning and adapting then screw them.  If Democrats love to point out mistakes but address them by foreiture of the battle at hand, then screw them too.</p>
<p>Aww, nevermind.  Project runway is on.</p>
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		<title>By: willyritch.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Post Full of Plugs Topped By An Interesting Photo</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-83667</link>
		<dc:creator>willyritch.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Post Full of Plugs Topped By An Interesting Photo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This if from Donklephant,http://donklephant.com/ which is a pretty good blog with a great slogan: &#8220;Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Amazing Results.&#8221; The topic is the deteriorating situation in Afghanastan, which we&#8217;ve talked about here, including a warning from a former Director of the CIA over two years ago. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This if from Donklephant,http://donklephant.com/ which is a pretty good blog with a great slogan: &#8220;Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Amazing Results.&#8221; The topic is the deteriorating situation in Afghanastan, which we&#8217;ve talked about here, including a warning from a former Director of the CIA over two years ago. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BenG</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-83607</link>
		<dc:creator>BenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmi what a Dhimmwhitty has a prob wth &quot;no one keepin score at lttle league games...&quot; This is what bothers you in life? How bout some of our elected officials keepin score of how many times our &quot;leader&quot; has screwed up in a MAJOR LEAGUE way and how many times you can rationalize his incompetence as liberally induced? Here&#039;s another one to chew on in your tobacci stained chompers: &quot;I consider him (Vladimir Putin) my friend and a good partner in the WoT&quot;. This is what our president said publicly about the leader of Russia! And you wonder why we&#039;re goin ta hell in a handgun (oops) handbskt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmi what a Dhimmwhitty has a prob wth &#8220;no one keepin score at lttle league games&#8230;&#8221; This is what bothers you in life? How bout some of our elected officials keepin score of how many times our &#8220;leader&#8221; has screwed up in a MAJOR LEAGUE way and how many times you can rationalize his incompetence as liberally induced? Here&#8217;s another one to chew on in your tobacci stained chompers: &#8220;I consider him (Vladimir Putin) my friend and a good partner in the WoT&#8221;. This is what our president said publicly about the leader of Russia! And you wonder why we&#8217;re goin ta hell in a handgun (oops) handbskt.</p>
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		<title>By: Eural</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eural</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We didn&#039;t lose WWII because the leadership at the time was up to the challenge. And, yes, they too were partisan but not to the point of watching our nation lose its dignity and existence rather than concede that national unity really requires the support, cooperation and input from the entire population - not just the &quot;base&quot; ( or as we&#039;re fast approaching the &quot;radical base&quot;). 

If this struggle really is a struggle for our very existence as Bush claims then there are some very powerful yet very simple things he can do to fix it. He will not take those actions because this struggle is really about securing domestic support for a radical economic and social agenda. His real base will not allow such actions because that would derail their ambitions He would rather watch the terrorists regroup and succeed rather than concede that he must make amends with 1/2 the US population he has purposefully attacked to &quot;win&quot; two elections. The next time Bush or Cheney strikes out against the &quot;Dem&#039;s&quot; and &quot;leftiests&quot; instead of actually addressing or fixing the real problems remember that is what allows us to lose Afghanistan and Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn&#8217;t lose WWII because the leadership at the time was up to the challenge. And, yes, they too were partisan but not to the point of watching our nation lose its dignity and existence rather than concede that national unity really requires the support, cooperation and input from the entire population &#8211; not just the &#8220;base&#8221; ( or as we&#8217;re fast approaching the &#8220;radical base&#8221;). </p>
<p>If this struggle really is a struggle for our very existence as Bush claims then there are some very powerful yet very simple things he can do to fix it. He will not take those actions because this struggle is really about securing domestic support for a radical economic and social agenda. His real base will not allow such actions because that would derail their ambitions He would rather watch the terrorists regroup and succeed rather than concede that he must make amends with 1/2 the US population he has purposefully attacked to &#8220;win&#8221; two elections. The next time Bush or Cheney strikes out against the &#8220;Dem&#8217;s&#8221; and &#8220;leftiests&#8221; instead of actually addressing or fixing the real problems remember that is what allows us to lose Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Nudnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Nudnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops: the Canadian forces site is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops: the Canadian forces site is <a href="http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/index.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Nudnik</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-83520</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Nudnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Canadians are about 36 to 1500 now against Taliban (with the public here and CTV doing an hourly body count:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Clarification - CTV is only counting the &lt;i&gt;Canadian&lt;/i&gt; bodies. I had to go to the &lt;a&gt;Canadian government&#039;s armed forces website&lt;/a&gt; for the other half of what George Carlin would call the &quot;partial score.&quot;

BTW: Isn&#039;t it spelled Waziristan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Canadians are about 36 to 1500 now against Taliban (with the public here and CTV doing an hourly body count:</p></blockquote>
<p>Clarification &#8211; CTV is only counting the <i>Canadian</i> bodies. I had to go to the <a>Canadian government&#8217;s armed forces website</a> for the other half of what George Carlin would call the &#8220;partial score.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW: Isn&#8217;t it spelled Waziristan?</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Nudnik</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-83512</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Nudnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, JimmytheDhimmi!

As for this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Taliban has made a comeback in the south and east of the country and is seriously threatening Western attempts to stabilize the country after almost three decades of war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It ain&#039;t true. Those parts of the country were ignored precisely because they were dangerous. Waiting for the Canadians, I guess, who are spectacular at these tough assignments. I figured US personnel were watching Jenin to see how it&#039;s done. I guess the 23 to 52 score didn&#039;t impress, and that&#039;s natural. The Canadians are about 36 to 1500 now against Taliban (with the public here and CTV doing an hourly body count: talk about decadent!) and that&#039;s a lot better. But they&#039;re crying for help, which is partly for real, partly political so that the Liberals don&#039;t accuse them of being unfeeling. It&#039;s quite a comedy, Canadian politics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, JimmytheDhimmi!</p>
<p>As for this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Taliban has made a comeback in the south and east of the country and is seriously threatening Western attempts to stabilize the country after almost three decades of war.</p></blockquote>
<p>It ain&#8217;t true. Those parts of the country were ignored precisely because they were dangerous. Waiting for the Canadians, I guess, who are spectacular at these tough assignments. I figured US personnel were watching Jenin to see how it&#8217;s done. I guess the 23 to 52 score didn&#8217;t impress, and that&#8217;s natural. The Canadians are about 36 to 1500 now against Taliban (with the public here and CTV doing an hourly body count: talk about decadent!) and that&#8217;s a lot better. But they&#8217;re crying for help, which is partly for real, partly political so that the Liberals don&#8217;t accuse them of being unfeeling. It&#8217;s quite a comedy, Canadian politics!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-83288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Pres. Bush has tried to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq with as minimal a footprint as possible, in my opinion, reflects more poorly on our spoiled civilization than it does on him.  He is afterall, an elected representative of the public, and I doubt Gore would have had the stomach to endure what the Russians did in the 1980&#039;s if he were elected president.

Since the first gulf war and Bosnia, Americans have had this false belief that cataclysmic wars are over and now our military fights as if it were running errands to the grocery store.  We treat any casualty on our side as a sign of incompitence rather than an inevitable sacrifice to achieve a neccessary goal.   In an age of immidiate gratification and 30 second soundbites, if conflict isn&#039;t resloved painlessly and quickly, then we must forfeit.  We lack the resolve of our fathers&#039; and grandfathers&#039; generation as they grew up amidst suffering and sacrifice, while we have grown up with little-league games where noone keeps score and motzart for babies.  

Our generation would have lost WWII no doubt.  I am starting to believe that our civilization deserves to be destroyed by these bloodthirsty barbarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Pres. Bush has tried to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq with as minimal a footprint as possible, in my opinion, reflects more poorly on our spoiled civilization than it does on him.  He is afterall, an elected representative of the public, and I doubt Gore would have had the stomach to endure what the Russians did in the 1980&#8217;s if he were elected president.</p>
<p>Since the first gulf war and Bosnia, Americans have had this false belief that cataclysmic wars are over and now our military fights as if it were running errands to the grocery store.  We treat any casualty on our side as a sign of incompitence rather than an inevitable sacrifice to achieve a neccessary goal.   In an age of immidiate gratification and 30 second soundbites, if conflict isn&#8217;t resloved painlessly and quickly, then we must forfeit.  We lack the resolve of our fathers&#8217; and grandfathers&#8217; generation as they grew up amidst suffering and sacrifice, while we have grown up with little-league games where noone keeps score and motzart for babies.  </p>
<p>Our generation would have lost WWII no doubt.  I am starting to believe that our civilization deserves to be destroyed by these bloodthirsty barbarians.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-82909</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You are the very definition of an armchair general.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hehe...you do remember that you&#039;re on a blog, right?

The thing is, I was saying this a few years ago when we were pulling out of the country. In fact, a lot of Dems were. That&#039;s why we questioned going into Iraq because we hadn&#039;t a) nabbed Osama or b) fully secured the Afghanistan. But, you know, we were unpatriotic and didn&#039;t support the troops...

And let me also say that this administration has a very backwards view of what &quot;securing a country&quot; means. I think they were truly so naive to think that if you can get people to the ballot boxes, if you can get women to vote in an Islamic society, you&#039;ve won. Well, that&#039;s obviously not the case, and no amount of purple fingers can change the fact that we took our eye off the ball and we are paying the consequences in both credibility and lives.

DP, come on man, would you wake up already? Aren&#039;t you getting tired of defending these guys? Listen, if they were busting their asses and coming up with new ideas to fix their broken policies, I could understand why you&#039;d be defending them. But they aren&#039;t. Also, aren&#039;t you a libertarian? Don&#039;t these guys go against pretty much everything you believe in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are the very definition of an armchair general.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hehe&#8230;you do remember that you&#8217;re on a blog, right?</p>
<p>The thing is, I was saying this a few years ago when we were pulling out of the country. In fact, a lot of Dems were. That&#8217;s why we questioned going into Iraq because we hadn&#8217;t a) nabbed Osama or b) fully secured the Afghanistan. But, you know, we were unpatriotic and didn&#8217;t support the troops&#8230;</p>
<p>And let me also say that this administration has a very backwards view of what &#8220;securing a country&#8221; means. I think they were truly so naive to think that if you can get people to the ballot boxes, if you can get women to vote in an Islamic society, you&#8217;ve won. Well, that&#8217;s obviously not the case, and no amount of purple fingers can change the fact that we took our eye off the ball and we are paying the consequences in both credibility and lives.</p>
<p>DP, come on man, would you wake up already? Aren&#8217;t you getting tired of defending these guys? Listen, if they were busting their asses and coming up with new ideas to fix their broken policies, I could understand why you&#8217;d be defending them. But they aren&#8217;t. Also, aren&#8217;t you a libertarian? Don&#8217;t these guys go against pretty much everything you believe in?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 05:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH, DosPeros, if Bush had kept his promises to the Afghans instead of switching focus to Iraq so soon it might not be like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH, DosPeros, if Bush had kept his promises to the Afghans instead of switching focus to Iraq so soon it might not be like this.</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/08/we-forget-afghanistan-at-our-own-peril/comment-page-1/#comment-82667</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 04:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are the very definition of an armchair general.  This isn&#039;t a game of Risk were once we get a peice of our infantry on a country - it is a pacified, democratic suburb on Sacramento.  We took a country away from an Islamic tribe of goat-poking mountain people with lots of experience with AK-47s.    

If things are in such peril and we are so close to losing the heart and minds of average Afgan, I guess it is a good thing we didn&#039;t drop a bomb on their funeral.  Such cultural courtesies tend to go a aways when your winning hearts and minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are the very definition of an armchair general.  This isn&#8217;t a game of Risk were once we get a peice of our infantry on a country &#8211; it is a pacified, democratic suburb on Sacramento.  We took a country away from an Islamic tribe of goat-poking mountain people with lots of experience with AK-47s.    </p>
<p>If things are in such peril and we are so close to losing the heart and minds of average Afgan, I guess it is a good thing we didn&#8217;t drop a bomb on their funeral.  Such cultural courtesies tend to go a aways when your winning hearts and minds.</p>
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