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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/17/soros-placing-chips-on-clark/comment-page-1/#comment-90336</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The attitude exhibited by the comment above serves absolutely no purpose, other than to warn the rest of us away from reactionary rebound Fascism: the kind that becomes so principled against violence that it becomes violently unprincipled.

It&#039;s indicative of our crumbling national moral and ethical stature: little by little, we&#039;re sounding more and more like the people from whom our ancestors fled, and selfishly defending our own interests like the jumble of autonomous oblasts we&#039;re likely to become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attitude exhibited by the comment above serves absolutely no purpose, other than to warn the rest of us away from reactionary rebound Fascism: the kind that becomes so principled against violence that it becomes violently unprincipled.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s indicative of our crumbling national moral and ethical stature: little by little, we&#8217;re sounding more and more like the people from whom our ancestors fled, and selfishly defending our own interests like the jumble of autonomous oblasts we&#8217;re likely to become.</p>
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		<title>By: I agree</title>
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		<dc:creator>I agree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck the Israeli watchdog bastards.

This is the United States of America, not the United States of Israel.

We should be cutting all ties with Israel. They are an APARTHEID REGIME which exacts ethnic cleansing and other forms of violent, racist oppression upon the indigenous population of Palestine.

Our taxpayer money goes towards those cockbags?

Wesley Clark is the man. Fuck these other Zionist bootlickers.

Keep the foreign lobbies out of our affairs.

Save the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck the Israeli watchdog bastards.</p>
<p>This is the United States of America, not the United States of Israel.</p>
<p>We should be cutting all ties with Israel. They are an APARTHEID REGIME which exacts ethnic cleansing and other forms of violent, racist oppression upon the indigenous population of Palestine.</p>
<p>Our taxpayer money goes towards those cockbags?</p>
<p>Wesley Clark is the man. Fuck these other Zionist bootlickers.</p>
<p>Keep the foreign lobbies out of our affairs.</p>
<p>Save the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianOfAtlanta</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/17/soros-placing-chips-on-clark/comment-page-1/#comment-87128</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianOfAtlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark&#039;s military record in Kosovo leaves him little room to criticize the military strategy or tactics of others. He has a point about Israel&#039;s aerial bombardment of Hizballah, but it&#039;s ironic considering his own even less effective aerial bombardment of the Serbs. It would be different if he had ever acknowledged that his running of the Kosovo campaign was stupid. As it is, he comes across as a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark&#8217;s military record in Kosovo leaves him little room to criticize the military strategy or tactics of others. He has a point about Israel&#8217;s aerial bombardment of Hizballah, but it&#8217;s ironic considering his own even less effective aerial bombardment of the Serbs. It would be different if he had ever acknowledged that his running of the Kosovo campaign was stupid. As it is, he comes across as a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/17/soros-placing-chips-on-clark/comment-page-1/#comment-86972</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect Gen. Clark&#039;s service to the country.  However, as he has never held elective office, I am disinclined to seriously consider him as a Presidential candidate.  

Assuming that his words have been accurately reported, I would wonder exactly what he thinks the US should have done vis-a-vis the Israeli war in/with Lebanon?  The Bush policy could be summed up as &quot;let them fight for a bit, then try to stop the fighting&quot;

Does Gen. Clark think that a country is entitled to make a military response if its civilians are kidnapped and rockets are launched across its borders?  The answer to that, in light of the other statements, could be very instructive about the type of foreign policy he would embrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect Gen. Clark&#8217;s service to the country.  However, as he has never held elective office, I am disinclined to seriously consider him as a Presidential candidate.  </p>
<p>Assuming that his words have been accurately reported, I would wonder exactly what he thinks the US should have done vis-a-vis the Israeli war in/with Lebanon?  The Bush policy could be summed up as &#8220;let them fight for a bit, then try to stop the fighting&#8221;</p>
<p>Does Gen. Clark think that a country is entitled to make a military response if its civilians are kidnapped and rockets are launched across its borders?  The answer to that, in light of the other statements, could be very instructive about the type of foreign policy he would embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/17/soros-placing-chips-on-clark/comment-page-1/#comment-86609</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark sucks at campaigning. Soros is chucking his money away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark sucks at campaigning. Soros is chucking his money away.</p>
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		<title>By: m.takhallus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/17/soros-placing-chips-on-clark/comment-page-1/#comment-86594</link>
		<dc:creator>m.takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if it is coincidence that &quot;Zani&quot; is an anagram of &quot;Nazi.&quot;  

And I wonder if it&#039;s a coincidence that two obvious anti-semites, both with Jewsish-sounding names, showed up here within 17 minutes of each other.

Yep.  I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it is coincidence that &#8220;Zani&#8221; is an anagram of &#8220;Nazi.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And I wonder if it&#8217;s a coincidence that two obvious anti-semites, both with Jewsish-sounding names, showed up here within 17 minutes of each other.</p>
<p>Yep.  I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way too many people have bought into the incessantly repeated brainwashing mantra of &quot;conservative = good, liberal = bad&quot;.  

Please, people, start actually listening to the positions being espoused and judge based on those and what their effects would be for the country rather than some preconceived notion of all ideas associated with the liberals being automatically bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way too many people have bought into the incessantly repeated brainwashing mantra of &#8220;conservative = good, liberal = bad&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Please, people, start actually listening to the positions being espoused and judge based on those and what their effects would be for the country rather than some preconceived notion of all ideas associated with the liberals being automatically bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Zani Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zani Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylny/Daniel, you two are right on target.

Groups such as the ADL and AIPAC exist only to ATTACK/ruin the reputation of U.S. citizens and politicians who 1) do not speak particularly highly of Zionism/Jews and 2) do not endorse pro-Israeli policies. Oh yeah. They exist also to bring billions in U.S. Taxpayer dollars back to Israel... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqya1eiSv98

As a U.S. Jew, I believe we should defend our great country against the criminal Israeli element within our borders. Let&#039;s keep U.S. interests on the front burner. No more wars for Israel!

Shalom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylny/Daniel, you two are right on target.</p>
<p>Groups such as the ADL and AIPAC exist only to ATTACK/ruin the reputation of U.S. citizens and politicians who 1) do not speak particularly highly of Zionism/Jews and 2) do not endorse pro-Israeli policies. Oh yeah. They exist also to bring billions in U.S. Taxpayer dollars back to Israel&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqya1eiSv98" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqya1eiSv98</a></p>
<p>As a U.S. Jew, I believe we should defend our great country against the criminal Israeli element within our borders. Let&#8217;s keep U.S. interests on the front burner. No more wars for Israel!</p>
<p>Shalom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Aman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Aman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but if Clark said that, Clark was right, and that is most certainly not a statement to be criticizing him for.  Not only was it not a conflict that was in our interest, it wasn&#039;t a conflict that was in Israel&#039;s interest either.  It&#039;s irrelevant who won or lost that conflict, because regardless of who won, the price was significant.  Hezbollah lost a significant fraction of their manpower.  Israel lost additional political capital on the international stage (although one wonders if they really have much more of it to lose at this point), they managed to get more blood on their hands in the form of collateral damage, and they stirred up significant dissent within their own country.  And the United States further jeopardized their role in the Middle East by supporting Israel in a conflict against other muslims &#8212; never a popular move.

Iran is the only player that you could intellegently argue came out ahead:  They didn&#039;t lose any of their own manpower, they funded Hezbollah on the cheap, they got the Shiites in Iraq cheering for the bad guys, and they successfully split Israel&#039;s attention between the threat to the north and Iran&#039;s own nuclear ambitions, to say nothing of the fact that anything that hurts Israel even the tiniest bit seems to make them ecstatic.

Clark is one of the few Democrats I&#039;d vote for in a heartbeat.  It was a shame he didn&#039;t beat out Kerry the last time round, and it&#039;d be a shame if he doesn&#039;t get a chance this time round either.  He&#039;s certainly far more competant and electable than Clinton ever will be, and he&#039;s one of the few Democrats I&#039;d be inclined to vote for over a Republican or Libertarian alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but if Clark said that, Clark was right, and that is most certainly not a statement to be criticizing him for.  Not only was it not a conflict that was in our interest, it wasn&#8217;t a conflict that was in Israel&#8217;s interest either.  It&#8217;s irrelevant who won or lost that conflict, because regardless of who won, the price was significant.  Hezbollah lost a significant fraction of their manpower.  Israel lost additional political capital on the international stage (although one wonders if they really have much more of it to lose at this point), they managed to get more blood on their hands in the form of collateral damage, and they stirred up significant dissent within their own country.  And the United States further jeopardized their role in the Middle East by supporting Israel in a conflict against other muslims &mdash; never a popular move.</p>
<p>Iran is the only player that you could intellegently argue came out ahead:  They didn&#8217;t lose any of their own manpower, they funded Hezbollah on the cheap, they got the Shiites in Iraq cheering for the bad guys, and they successfully split Israel&#8217;s attention between the threat to the north and Iran&#8217;s own nuclear ambitions, to say nothing of the fact that anything that hurts Israel even the tiniest bit seems to make them ecstatic.</p>
<p>Clark is one of the few Democrats I&#8217;d vote for in a heartbeat.  It was a shame he didn&#8217;t beat out Kerry the last time round, and it&#8217;d be a shame if he doesn&#8217;t get a chance this time round either.  He&#8217;s certainly far more competant and electable than Clinton ever will be, and he&#8217;s one of the few Democrats I&#8217;d be inclined to vote for over a Republican or Libertarian alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: les</title>
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		<dc:creator>les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t move you very far left to disagree with substantially all of the current administration&#039;s foreign policy.  Is it that anything Kos supports must automatically be rejected by the &quot;center?&quot;  Wesley Clark as raving leftie is a pretty tough image to sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t move you very far left to disagree with substantially all of the current administration&#8217;s foreign policy.  Is it that anything Kos supports must automatically be rejected by the &#8220;center?&#8221;  Wesley Clark as raving leftie is a pretty tough image to sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO @ &quot;Clark, unfortunately from my point of view, is swinging left&quot; ...

Your perspective must be the same as Rush Limbaugh&#039;s. Any &#039;swing&#039; away from the neo-cons&#039; mafioso alliance with Israel is a swing to the left.

Wesley Clark is the only potential candidate who won&#039;t have blood and oil money supporting his campaign; but of course that means AIPAC will be sure to black ball his name (to no avail).

If Wesley Clark runs, he will be elected: with or without Zionazi approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO @ &#8220;Clark, unfortunately from my point of view, is swinging left&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>Your perspective must be the same as Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s. Any &#8217;swing&#8217; away from the neo-cons&#8217; mafioso alliance with Israel is a swing to the left.</p>
<p>Wesley Clark is the only potential candidate who won&#8217;t have blood and oil money supporting his campaign; but of course that means AIPAC will be sure to black ball his name (to no avail).</p>
<p>If Wesley Clark runs, he will be elected: with or without Zionazi approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was already commonly accepted wisdom in Israel itself. Michael Totten has had several interviews with people from both the &quot;peace&quot; movement and the militaristic right and they said more or less the exact same things -- destroying Hezbollah in a noble goal but it was carried out completely incompetently and looking back on it the grand mission was idiotic. All they disagree about is whether they should try again with more force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was already commonly accepted wisdom in Israel itself. Michael Totten has had several interviews with people from both the &#8220;peace&#8221; movement and the militaristic right and they said more or less the exact same things &#8212; destroying Hezbollah in a noble goal but it was carried out completely incompetently and looking back on it the grand mission was idiotic. All they disagree about is whether they should try again with more force.</p>
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		<title>By: sylny</title>
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		<dc:creator>sylny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Clark is expressing views he believes in--rather than swinging left as a shrewd, short-term move.?  There are plenty of Jews--and I count myself among them--who agree with Clark that the Lebanon overreaction &quot;hurt Israel, it hurt Lebanon, and it hurt us.&quot; This does not make me or Clark anti Israel or anti Semetic. I predict that a couple of years from now what Clark is saying about Israel will be commonly accepted wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Clark is expressing views he believes in&#8211;rather than swinging left as a shrewd, short-term move.?  There are plenty of Jews&#8211;and I count myself among them&#8211;who agree with Clark that the Lebanon overreaction &#8220;hurt Israel, it hurt Lebanon, and it hurt us.&#8221; This does not make me or Clark anti Israel or anti Semetic. I predict that a couple of years from now what Clark is saying about Israel will be commonly accepted wisdom.</p>
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