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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: probligo</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-90651</link>
		<dc:creator>probligo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donovan.

Just remember that India,  with a voting population probably 300 times that of the US,  STILL uses paper ballots,  and is refusing to change to voting machines (for a number of very good reasons primary among which is that the paper WORKS).

It takes something like 3 weeks to complete the counting of votes.

Would it cost too much for the US?  What price is democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donovan.</p>
<p>Just remember that India,  with a voting population probably 300 times that of the US,  STILL uses paper ballots,  and is refusing to change to voting machines (for a number of very good reasons primary among which is that the paper WORKS).</p>
<p>It takes something like 3 weeks to complete the counting of votes.</p>
<p>Would it cost too much for the US?  What price is democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: Donovan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-90593</link>
		<dc:creator>Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone please explain why everyone is so insistent on using electronic voting machines to actually store and tabulate the ballots?  Most of the electorial problems we&#039;ve had have involved voters misreading and/or mismarking the ballot.  In other words, they&#039;ve had problems with the &quot;user interface&quot;.  This is a problem that a computer could easily solve.  You could use a mouse or touch screen to make your choice and the computer could warn you if you didn&#039;t vote in a particular race or marked two candidates from the same race or whatever.  When you are sure that you&#039;re finished, you hit a button and...

The ballot prints out.  You take the print out and drop it in the box.  Maybe it could make two printouts so you can keep one as a safeguard.

This would solve a lot of the problems without creating the security nightmare of having the PC store the ballots and having election workers (who are often not real tech-savvy) trying to upload the votes somewhere.  If a voting machine fails the polling place is out a voting machine but no votes are actually lost.  Hacking is still a concern, but it&#039;s a lot more managable because people actually have a slip of paper to look at.

Why are we making this so complicated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please explain why everyone is so insistent on using electronic voting machines to actually store and tabulate the ballots?  Most of the electorial problems we&#8217;ve had have involved voters misreading and/or mismarking the ballot.  In other words, they&#8217;ve had problems with the &#8220;user interface&#8221;.  This is a problem that a computer could easily solve.  You could use a mouse or touch screen to make your choice and the computer could warn you if you didn&#8217;t vote in a particular race or marked two candidates from the same race or whatever.  When you are sure that you&#8217;re finished, you hit a button and&#8230;</p>
<p>The ballot prints out.  You take the print out and drop it in the box.  Maybe it could make two printouts so you can keep one as a safeguard.</p>
<p>This would solve a lot of the problems without creating the security nightmare of having the PC store the ballots and having election workers (who are often not real tech-savvy) trying to upload the votes somewhere.  If a voting machine fails the polling place is out a voting machine but no votes are actually lost.  Hacking is still a concern, but it&#8217;s a lot more managable because people actually have a slip of paper to look at.</p>
<p>Why are we making this so complicated?</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-90352</link>
		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1980&#039;s?  More like 1940&#039;s...some districts have been using the same equipment for 50 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1980&#8242;s?  More like 1940&#8242;s&#8230;some districts have been using the same equipment for 50 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-90262</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have so much innovative technology in this country, and then we have these crappy voting machines.  Our polling places are set up to look like my 3rd grade science fair, with cardboard partitions and 1980&#039;s technology.  It&#039;s a huge disconnect.  We might as well stick to scantron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have so much innovative technology in this country, and then we have these crappy voting machines.  Our polling places are set up to look like my 3rd grade science fair, with cardboard partitions and 1980&#8242;s technology.  It&#8217;s a huge disconnect.  We might as well stick to scantron.</p>
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		<title>By: s.sommer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-89922</link>
		<dc:creator>s.sommer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sooo annoying!  Same as having fossil-aged congressmen voting on internet issues.  UGH!!!   

We have politicians and government managers making buying decisions about voting machines, while they are utterly CLUELESS about security issues.  They would not even know which &quot;expert&quot; advice to believe, yet they are &quot;in charge.&quot;  Great.
 
Or, maybe they know damn well what they are using: machines they can manipulate.

I am using an absentee ballot in the remote hope that it might be counted correctly.

This COULD be done securely &amp; with verification.  Why the hell is it not happening?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sooo annoying!  Same as having fossil-aged congressmen voting on internet issues.  UGH!!!   </p>
<p>We have politicians and government managers making buying decisions about voting machines, while they are utterly CLUELESS about security issues.  They would not even know which &#8220;expert&#8221; advice to believe, yet they are &#8220;in charge.&#8221;  Great.</p>
<p>Or, maybe they know damn well what they are using: machines they can manipulate.</p>
<p>I am using an absentee ballot in the remote hope that it might be counted correctly.</p>
<p>This COULD be done securely &amp; with verification.  Why the hell is it not happening?!!</p>
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		<title>By: probligo</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-89870</link>
		<dc:creator>probligo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone tell me why this is &quot;news&quot;?

Like...&lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:EH9Nt0AKhicJ:www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm+diebold+voting+scoop.co.nz&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=nz&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here for example&lt;/a&gt;  (I hope that comes out)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone tell me why this is &#8220;news&#8221;?</p>
<p>Like&#8230;<a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:EH9Nt0AKhicJ:www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm+diebold+voting+scoop.co.nz&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=nz&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=2" >here for example</a>  (I hope that comes out)</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-89854</link>
		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though having the same machines everywhere could be an invitation to hackers, it also presents a great opportunity to make hack-proof machines.

One of the biggest problems some of these machines have is that they are using commercial software such as Windows CE and Access (which is unsecurable) to handle the operations of the machine.  For an operation as simple as voting, all you really need is a simple program, possibly even coded onto unhackable firmware, with no editable software anywhere in the machine.  The smaller the program is, the harder it is to sneak a few dozen lines of hack software into it without detection.  Open-source code is also a great way to protect against hackers, since many security experts seek to overcome challenges like those to make a name for themselves within their community.

Mind you, I&#039;m a programmer but no security expert, so I&#039;d refer you to the hundreds of articles such experts have likely written (and been ignored) about how to make hack-proof voting machines (recommendation #1 - PAPER TRAIL).  It&#039;s time we move our country into the next century and return from the lies and deceit back to the Democratic process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though having the same machines everywhere could be an invitation to hackers, it also presents a great opportunity to make hack-proof machines.</p>
<p>One of the biggest problems some of these machines have is that they are using commercial software such as Windows CE and Access (which is unsecurable) to handle the operations of the machine.  For an operation as simple as voting, all you really need is a simple program, possibly even coded onto unhackable firmware, with no editable software anywhere in the machine.  The smaller the program is, the harder it is to sneak a few dozen lines of hack software into it without detection.  Open-source code is also a great way to protect against hackers, since many security experts seek to overcome challenges like those to make a name for themselves within their community.</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m a programmer but no security expert, so I&#8217;d refer you to the hundreds of articles such experts have likely written (and been ignored) about how to make hack-proof voting machines (recommendation #1 &#8211; PAPER TRAIL).  It&#8217;s time we move our country into the next century and return from the lies and deceit back to the Democratic process.</p>
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		<title>By: gerryf</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/10/23/diebold-voting-machine-woes-20/comment-page-1/#comment-89809</link>
		<dc:creator>gerryf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The think that scares the crap out of me with these machines is Diebold ceo Walden O&#039;Dell and many of the other officers in the company are staunch supporters of the GOP, contributing personally and through fund-raising efforts.

Not sure I trust a device for elections made by someone who is so firmly in one camp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The think that scares the crap out of me with these machines is Diebold ceo Walden O&#8217;Dell and many of the other officers in the company are staunch supporters of the GOP, contributing personally and through fund-raising efforts.</p>
<p>Not sure I trust a device for elections made by someone who is so firmly in one camp</p>
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		<title>By: aphrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>aphrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISTM that having the same machines in every precinct would make the problem worse; it would mean that someone who discovered a successful strategem for hacking the machines could do the same thing everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISTM that having the same machines in every precinct would make the problem worse; it would mean that someone who discovered a successful strategem for hacking the machines could do the same thing everywhere.</p>
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