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		<title>By: 2007 altima nissan ser2007 nissan altima</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-231867</link>
		<dc:creator>2007 altima nissan ser2007 nissan altima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;2007 altima nissan ser2007 nissan altima&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: amba</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95902</link>
		<dc:creator>amba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I attribute WÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s two presidential wins to Democratic incompetence.&lt;/i&gt;

I completely agree.  The Dems almost won 2000 (some argue they did), and they could easily have won 2004 if they had fielded a decent, smart-tough candidate.  Even in 2004 I don't think Bush won it -- the Dems lost it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I attribute WÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s two presidential wins to Democratic incompetence.</i></p>
<p>I completely agree.  The Dems almost won 2000 (some argue they did), and they could easily have won 2004 if they had fielded a decent, smart-tough candidate.  Even in 2004 I don&#8217;t think Bush won it &#8212; the Dems lost it.</p>
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		<title>By: amba</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95894</link>
		<dc:creator>amba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one nails the fog quite like you.</description>
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		<title>By: m.takhallus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95728</link>
		<dc:creator>m.takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eural:

You're wasting your time.  It's like asking someone who was closer to right about Iraq:  the French or us?  

The mere fact that Mr. Bush has been right so seldom that he approaches asbsolute zero matters not at all:  he has the jutting chin and the chest-thumping down pat, and mere bloody-minded incompetence is nothing compared to all of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eural:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re wasting your time.  It&#8217;s like asking someone who was closer to right about Iraq:  the French or us?  </p>
<p>The mere fact that Mr. Bush has been right so seldom that he approaches asbsolute zero matters not at all:  he has the jutting chin and the chest-thumping down pat, and mere bloody-minded incompetence is nothing compared to all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Eural</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95566</link>
		<dc:creator>Eural</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If Democrats could refrain from making their party leader a barking head like Howard Dean, I for one might take them more seriously."

Here's a project for you - go back and review what that crazed "barking dog" Dean said throughout 2003 about the Iraq situation. Now compare with that wonderful statesman George W. Notice the difference? One was 100% right and the other 100% wrong (and continues to be). 

Now - stop ingesting Republican stereotypes and talking points about Democrats and think for yourself - who should be making the decisions here? 

It's amazing what a little dose of realiy will do for you - and our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Democrats could refrain from making their party leader a barking head like Howard Dean, I for one might take them more seriously.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a project for you - go back and review what that crazed &#8220;barking dog&#8221; Dean said throughout 2003 about the Iraq situation. Now compare with that wonderful statesman George W. Notice the difference? One was 100% right and the other 100% wrong (and continues to be). </p>
<p>Now - stop ingesting Republican stereotypes and talking points about Democrats and think for yourself - who should be making the decisions here? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing what a little dose of realiy will do for you - and our country.</p>
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		<title>By: m.takhallus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95447</link>
		<dc:creator>m.takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're really reaching, Cicero. It's "stop me before I kill again" logic.  It's Chris' fault because he couldn't stop you and me from advocating what turned out to be a disastrous policy?

And don't fear the statins:  you get used to the third testacle pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re really reaching, Cicero. It&#8217;s &#8220;stop me before I kill again&#8221; logic.  It&#8217;s Chris&#8217; fault because he couldn&#8217;t stop you and me from advocating what turned out to be a disastrous policy?</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t fear the statins:  you get used to the third testacle pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisO</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95445</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By what logic should Gore have won in a landslide? Vice presidents are traditionally at a disadvantage, as they own the policies of an administration over which they had little control. And in Gore's case, he represented an administration that was coming off of two years of non-stop impeachment and Whitewater coverage. And call it sour grapes, but even many conservative commentators have acknowledged that the press savaged Gore. In spite of all that, he won the popular vote. Saying the Democrats are culpable for the Republicans' actions because they failed to beat them in an election is pretzel logic at its finest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By what logic should Gore have won in a landslide? Vice presidents are traditionally at a disadvantage, as they own the policies of an administration over which they had little control. And in Gore&#8217;s case, he represented an administration that was coming off of two years of non-stop impeachment and Whitewater coverage. And call it sour grapes, but even many conservative commentators have acknowledged that the press savaged Gore. In spite of all that, he won the popular vote. Saying the Democrats are culpable for the Republicans&#8217; actions because they failed to beat them in an election is pretzel logic at its finest.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95443</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why the stock market soaring is supposed to be so great; "what goes up must come down" and "the bigger they are, the harder they fall," apply to economic situations too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why the stock market soaring is supposed to be so great; &#8220;what goes up must come down&#8221; and &#8220;the bigger they are, the harder they fall,&#8221; apply to economic situations too.</p>
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		<title>By: Cicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sentiment remains that culpability rests on both sides within our political system. I am well aware of the Republicans' culpability, things being what they are, having matured under their unanimous watch. I also think that if Democrats could actually convince a few folks that they're not insane on the question of national defense, they would handily beat candidates like George W. Bush. If Democrats could refrain from making their party leader a barking head like Howard Dean, I for one might take them more seriously.

I attribute W's two presidential wins to Democratic incompetence. They may be able to claim un-involvement in Bush's policies that are leading to leech-infested waters; but they are not without responsibility. They failed to lead. They failed to offer a truly viable option. They deserved their fate as a result. They must prove why they're relevant, lest they be routinely defeated by people like Bush. Lots of people on the left muse about 'Bush the Chimp,' and perhaps he is. But what does it say to be beaten twice by a chimp? And please, don't give me 'the election was rigged' or 'Americans are stupid sheep' as a comeback. Those kind of responses only prove the point that Democrats need to revamp their thinking.

Democrats checked out too long ago. They've thrown too much of their credibility at the KOSer crowd. They've fielded exceptionally weak candidates, two elections in a row. Gore couldn't beat Bush in 2000 in a landslide? After 8 years riding on the coattails of the Golden Clinton Years? That speaks volumes about how he was the wrong man for the job. That election shouldn't have been close. It was a cinch, and he botched it. Big time.

The first thing the Democrats should do right now is gag Kerry and Gore. Just shut them up somehow. The show is over for those two tape loops. And Dean too. Why on earth are Gore and Kerry the dominant voices in the Democratic party right now. Clear the decks!

I'm also concerned, per Global Guerillas, that there is something fundamental about our political system that cannot address existential threats as we face them. I hope I am wrong. But with that view, I see both parties as culpable in the general dysfunction.

As far as cholesterol goes, the first phase is to lose weight and see what can be accomplished without drugs. Then another blood test, and we go from there. In all likelihood, I will wind up on a statins of some kind. I'd rather not if it is possible. Oats aren't all that bad. And I've figured out a way to make Thai curries with simulated coconut milk using a mixture of flour, Rice Dream, Soy milk and a touch of coconut extract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sentiment remains that culpability rests on both sides within our political system. I am well aware of the Republicans&#8217; culpability, things being what they are, having matured under their unanimous watch. I also think that if Democrats could actually convince a few folks that they&#8217;re not insane on the question of national defense, they would handily beat candidates like George W. Bush. If Democrats could refrain from making their party leader a barking head like Howard Dean, I for one might take them more seriously.</p>
<p>I attribute W&#8217;s two presidential wins to Democratic incompetence. They may be able to claim un-involvement in Bush&#8217;s policies that are leading to leech-infested waters; but they are not without responsibility. They failed to lead. They failed to offer a truly viable option. They deserved their fate as a result. They must prove why they&#8217;re relevant, lest they be routinely defeated by people like Bush. Lots of people on the left muse about &#8216;Bush the Chimp,&#8217; and perhaps he is. But what does it say to be beaten twice by a chimp? And please, don&#8217;t give me &#8216;the election was rigged&#8217; or &#8216;Americans are stupid sheep&#8217; as a comeback. Those kind of responses only prove the point that Democrats need to revamp their thinking.</p>
<p>Democrats checked out too long ago. They&#8217;ve thrown too much of their credibility at the KOSer crowd. They&#8217;ve fielded exceptionally weak candidates, two elections in a row. Gore couldn&#8217;t beat Bush in 2000 in a landslide? After 8 years riding on the coattails of the Golden Clinton Years? That speaks volumes about how he was the wrong man for the job. That election shouldn&#8217;t have been close. It was a cinch, and he botched it. Big time.</p>
<p>The first thing the Democrats should do right now is gag Kerry and Gore. Just shut them up somehow. The show is over for those two tape loops. And Dean too. Why on earth are Gore and Kerry the dominant voices in the Democratic party right now. Clear the decks!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also concerned, per Global Guerillas, that there is something fundamental about our political system that cannot address existential threats as we face them. I hope I am wrong. But with that view, I see both parties as culpable in the general dysfunction.</p>
<p>As far as cholesterol goes, the first phase is to lose weight and see what can be accomplished without drugs. Then another blood test, and we go from there. In all likelihood, I will wind up on a statins of some kind. I&#8217;d rather not if it is possible. Oats aren&#8217;t all that bad. And I&#8217;ve figured out a way to make Thai curries with simulated coconut milk using a mixture of flour, Rice Dream, Soy milk and a touch of coconut extract.</p>
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		<title>By: m.takhallus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/01/muddle/#comment-95413</link>
		<dc:creator>m.takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with ChrisO.  

Culpability falls more on those of us -- myself very much included -- who supported the war, and less on those who opposed it.  More on Republicans -- myself not included -- and less on Democrats.  We are each responsible for our ideas, and our actions including our votes.

With power comes responsibility.  Mr. Bush has made every decision on Iraq, from the start to the present.  It's on him primarily.  To use the language of psychobabble the  Dems have been ennablers.  But it's Mr. Bush who has been the primary actor in this drama.

But, Cicero, dude, just get on the Zocor, man.  40 mg a day and I can eat whatever I want and still have the cholesterol of a marathoner.  Life's too short not to enjoy the occasional slab of fatty animal product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with ChrisO.  </p>
<p>Culpability falls more on those of us &#8212; myself very much included &#8212; who supported the war, and less on those who opposed it.  More on Republicans &#8212; myself not included &#8212; and less on Democrats.  We are each responsible for our ideas, and our actions including our votes.</p>
<p>With power comes responsibility.  Mr. Bush has made every decision on Iraq, from the start to the present.  It&#8217;s on him primarily.  To use the language of psychobabble the  Dems have been ennablers.  But it&#8217;s Mr. Bush who has been the primary actor in this drama.</p>
<p>But, Cicero, dude, just get on the Zocor, man.  40 mg a day and I can eat whatever I want and still have the cholesterol of a marathoner.  Life&#8217;s too short not to enjoy the occasional slab of fatty animal product.</p>
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		<title>By: Eural</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eural</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisO - perfect response. I, too was enjoying the post until - somehow, magically - the party out of the power, out of the money and out of the media for six years has been equally responsible for this mess. That's silly.

And everytime we visit with conservative friends they wail and bemoan how they didn't see this coming - and I have to remind them of the ugly, ugly arguments we used to have 3 years ago in which I warned them of the exact situation they are so upset about today! 

Conservatives have suddenly developed collective amnesia and the dire need to believe they are not responsible for voting in and supporting these guys through two election cycles even in the face of overwhelming incompetence and corruption. 

Get over, grow up and take some responsibility folks. 

And don't let it happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisO - perfect response. I, too was enjoying the post until - somehow, magically - the party out of the power, out of the money and out of the media for six years has been equally responsible for this mess. That&#8217;s silly.</p>
<p>And everytime we visit with conservative friends they wail and bemoan how they didn&#8217;t see this coming - and I have to remind them of the ugly, ugly arguments we used to have 3 years ago in which I warned them of the exact situation they are so upset about today! </p>
<p>Conservatives have suddenly developed collective amnesia and the dire need to believe they are not responsible for voting in and supporting these guys through two election cycles even in the face of overwhelming incompetence and corruption. </p>
<p>Get over, grow up and take some responsibility folks. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t let it happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your feelings, and I agree that the Democrats probably don't have the answers for a lot of this, either. I'm a Democrat, but I don't think they're possessed of such magical powers that they can just swoop in and make everything all right.

I really, really have to take exception to your statement  "And no, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think Democrats have the key out of this muddle, per se. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s as much their making as anyone elseÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s." I realize that it's difficult to acknowledge just how badly the guy you voted for screwed things up, but to claim that the party that hasn't been in control of either Congressional branch or the White House has equal culpability is kind of mind boggling. Of course there's things they could have done better, and many of them cast politically expedient votes that have come back to haunt them. But considering that a large part of the problems we face come from inadequate oversight, I fail to see how the party that has been rebuffed at evey turn when they tried to question the administration's tactics and policies is equally at fault with the party that was doing the rebuffing. 

I hate to ruin the tone, but I do take exception to hearing all of the people who enabled Bush now claiming that he somehow let them down. Bush has done exactly what those who oposed him expected him to do, and when the people who voted for him somehow try to say that they are no more culpable than the people who voted against him, I think it's important to correct the record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your feelings, and I agree that the Democrats probably don&#8217;t have the answers for a lot of this, either. I&#8217;m a Democrat, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re possessed of such magical powers that they can just swoop in and make everything all right.</p>
<p>I really, really have to take exception to your statement  &#8220;And no, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think Democrats have the key out of this muddle, per se. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s as much their making as anyone elseÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s.&#8221; I realize that it&#8217;s difficult to acknowledge just how badly the guy you voted for screwed things up, but to claim that the party that hasn&#8217;t been in control of either Congressional branch or the White House has equal culpability is kind of mind boggling. Of course there&#8217;s things they could have done better, and many of them cast politically expedient votes that have come back to haunt them. But considering that a large part of the problems we face come from inadequate oversight, I fail to see how the party that has been rebuffed at evey turn when they tried to question the administration&#8217;s tactics and policies is equally at fault with the party that was doing the rebuffing. </p>
<p>I hate to ruin the tone, but I do take exception to hearing all of the people who enabled Bush now claiming that he somehow let them down. Bush has done exactly what those who oposed him expected him to do, and when the people who voted for him somehow try to say that they are no more culpable than the people who voted against him, I think it&#8217;s important to correct the record.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, as always.

My best to your wife and daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, as always.</p>
<p>My best to your wife and daughter.</p>
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