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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102811</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, cut off. The rest....

LMAO. Too good!

The Dem&#039;s best on-the-ground move was learning from and emulating the 2004 GOP GOTV efforts. Nothin&#039; like levelling the playing field to make it a match! They did a good job there of not getting suckered twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, cut off. The rest&#8230;.</p>
<p>LMAO. Too good!</p>
<p>The Dem&#8217;s best on-the-ground move was learning from and emulating the 2004 GOP GOTV efforts. Nothin&#8217; like levelling the playing field to make it a match! They did a good job there of not getting suckered twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102810</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;In fact, IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve been training my 3-year old to over-generalize and stereotype in a quest to create a new tribe. I think IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ll call us the Centrites</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;In fact, IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve been training my 3-year old to over-generalize and stereotype in a quest to create a new tribe. I think IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ll call us the Centrites</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102732</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dos,

That&#039;s good sh*t.

But I already have kids, thus my seed is contanminating the earth as we speak. In fact, I&#039;ve been training my 3-year old to over-generalize and stereotype in a quest to create a new tribe. I think I&#039;ll call us the Centrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dos,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s good sh*t.</p>
<p>But I already have kids, thus my seed is contanminating the earth as we speak. In fact, I&#8217;ve been training my 3-year old to over-generalize and stereotype in a quest to create a new tribe. I think I&#8217;ll call us the Centrites.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the exception of running on a lack of Iraq plan, I agree with Alan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the exception of running on a lack of Iraq plan, I agree with Alan.</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102240</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan - you complete son of a bitch.  how dare you, sir?  Do you have no shame?  Were you raised by carnies or just good old fashioned west texas gypsies?  

Usually, it is a simple fact, you are retarded, but you have reached new levels of retardation.  You are almost a vegetable...nay, you are almost a mineral -- nothing more than a bulbous fleshy lump emitting wrongness. 

Please, kill yourself immediately so your seed can not contaminate and ruin that portion of humanity that has managed to stand erect and use fire and the wheel.
 
(I&#039;m not sure what you said, but I wanted in on the fun.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan &#8211; you complete son of a bitch.  how dare you, sir?  Do you have no shame?  Were you raised by carnies or just good old fashioned west texas gypsies?  </p>
<p>Usually, it is a simple fact, you are retarded, but you have reached new levels of retardation.  You are almost a vegetable&#8230;nay, you are almost a mineral &#8212; nothing more than a bulbous fleshy lump emitting wrongness. </p>
<p>Please, kill yourself immediately so your seed can not contaminate and ruin that portion of humanity that has managed to stand erect and use fire and the wheel.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not sure what you said, but I wanted in on the fun.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102126</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 02:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan

&gt;&gt;

Never have truer words been spoken.  Allan, you are ususally wrong due to your penchant for stereotypes and over generalizations. I guess thats what happens when you try to create another tribal group of us against them. I believe in the middle, just not your articulation of it. Your general aim seems to be just another group that deems itself special (rationale) and looks down their nose at others. In this case, its the Democrats but tommorrow it could be the Republicans. Backhanded complements are not complements. 


Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Never have truer words been spoken.  Allan, you are ususally wrong due to your penchant for stereotypes and over generalizations. I guess thats what happens when you try to create another tribal group of us against them. I believe in the middle, just not your articulation of it. Your general aim seems to be just another group that deems itself special (rationale) and looks down their nose at others. In this case, its the Democrats but tommorrow it could be the Republicans. Backhanded complements are not complements. </p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 02:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the new leadership is ready.  Standing on the sidelines and carping about everything is a different universe than making the decisions and being held accountable to the results.

For several years the dems have been pointing their fingers at the repubs saying &quot;don&#039;t blame me - it&#039;s their fault and we&#039;re powerless to prevent it&quot; (sigh).  Now we finally get to find out if they&#039;re full of substance or fluff.  Should be interesting.

I am a little optimistic as many new dems reflect a mixture of the best ideas from both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the new leadership is ready.  Standing on the sidelines and carping about everything is a different universe than making the decisions and being held accountable to the results.</p>
<p>For several years the dems have been pointing their fingers at the repubs saying &#8220;don&#8217;t blame me &#8211; it&#8217;s their fault and we&#8217;re powerless to prevent it&#8221; (sigh).  Now we finally get to find out if they&#8217;re full of substance or fluff.  Should be interesting.</p>
<p>I am a little optimistic as many new dems reflect a mixture of the best ideas from both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: BenG</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102073</link>
		<dc:creator>BenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys,
Just go out n get blasted. Celebrate, howl at the moon, kill some brain cells. You both make good points, but don&#039;t over-analyze. What we need now is ACTION. Remember; I got 2 kids ready for college, a work force that no comprende mas, real estate taxes that would finance most families for a lifetime south of the border, what are they gonna do for me? Not asking for much, just don&#039;t make it more difficult. Stop bankrupting my kids future, etc...
BTW, yes the Dems didn&#039;t shoot themselves in the foot, and the Netroots folks not only raised alot of money, they seem to have their
act together and not just for super libs, either. Kos commented on this blog b4 the election, pissed off at some generalities being made about &#039;their&#039; candidates, reminding us that they backed some moderates as well. Do they really have that much influence ? It&#039;s pretty impressive if they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys,<br />
Just go out n get blasted. Celebrate, howl at the moon, kill some brain cells. You both make good points, but don&#8217;t over-analyze. What we need now is ACTION. Remember; I got 2 kids ready for college, a work force that no comprende mas, real estate taxes that would finance most families for a lifetime south of the border, what are they gonna do for me? Not asking for much, just don&#8217;t make it more difficult. Stop bankrupting my kids future, etc&#8230;<br />
BTW, yes the Dems didn&#8217;t shoot themselves in the foot, and the Netroots folks not only raised alot of money, they seem to have their<br />
act together and not just for super libs, either. Kos commented on this blog b4 the election, pissed off at some generalities being made about &#8216;their&#8217; candidates, reminding us that they backed some moderates as well. Do they really have that much influence ? It&#8217;s pretty impressive if they do.</p>
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		<title>By: grognard</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102071</link>
		<dc:creator>grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that, considering the turnout, a good number of Republican voters stayed home. This was done to send a message to the party on fiscal responsibility, immigration, and corruption. Was the message received? Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that, considering the turnout, a good number of Republican voters stayed home. This was done to send a message to the party on fiscal responsibility, immigration, and corruption. Was the message received? Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony S</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-102002</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey CS, wow, what is your deal? ASC is giving points to the Democrats, points to the Netroots and generally seems to be quite positive about the whole thing. Chill out, man. His point regarding the netroots is true. In years past, a lot of folks in the far left netroots made a lot of moves that scared a lot of middle of the road Americans, which, frankly, most Americans are.  ASC made a point that the netroots were quiet for this election and didn&#039;t make a lot of the usual noise and, as a result, a lot more Americans were willing to go Democratic. What he also said was that hey, if the netroots involved themselves and helped win a few races, great! But they did so in a manner that did not scare away moderate to conservative voters in moderate to conservative states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey CS, wow, what is your deal? ASC is giving points to the Democrats, points to the Netroots and generally seems to be quite positive about the whole thing. Chill out, man. His point regarding the netroots is true. In years past, a lot of folks in the far left netroots made a lot of moves that scared a lot of middle of the road Americans, which, frankly, most Americans are.  ASC made a point that the netroots were quiet for this election and didn&#8217;t make a lot of the usual noise and, as a result, a lot more Americans were willing to go Democratic. What he also said was that hey, if the netroots involved themselves and helped win a few races, great! But they did so in a manner that did not scare away moderate to conservative voters in moderate to conservative states.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101949</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where there are plans, (100 hours, 528 pages of Iraq / terrorism), you ignore them. Where netroots have success, ($1.5 million raised), you ignore it. Where the leadership campaigns, (in ways you agree helped the party), you insult them. 

You make is seem that allowing part members to have differing opinions is a sign of weak leadership. Forcing everyone to walk lock step behind the leadership is how you get bad ideas. I think 6 years under Bush would have made that clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where there are plans, (100 hours, 528 pages of Iraq / terrorism), you ignore them. Where netroots have success, ($1.5 million raised), you ignore it. Where the leadership campaigns, (in ways you agree helped the party), you insult them. </p>
<p>You make is seem that allowing part members to have differing opinions is a sign of weak leadership. Forcing everyone to walk lock step behind the leadership is how you get bad ideas. I think 6 years under Bush would have made that clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101720</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C.S.

1) that was one of many plans ... there was nothing adopted by all the candidates. Each was free to run on his/her own ideas

2) sure, but they did so with discipline and only where it helped ... that&#039;s unusual for the Dems

3) Hey, if the netroots had success, I&#039;m glad they were able to do it without drawing the kind of negative attention they&#039;ve received in the past. But they certainly didn&#039;t get much national attention (like they did with Lamont v. Lieberman), and that&#039;s what I was referring to.

4) The candidates were not all pledged to the plan you mention and were free to expouse a large variety of ideas -- there might be A plan but that doesn&#039;t make it THE plan for Democrats. There is no THE plan and that didn&#039;t hurt the party at all.


Anyway, I&#039;m looking at all this on a macro-level not a micro one -- how the election played on the national stage and in the national media. The key I think is that good candidates made up for a weak party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.S.</p>
<p>1) that was one of many plans &#8230; there was nothing adopted by all the candidates. Each was free to run on his/her own ideas</p>
<p>2) sure, but they did so with discipline and only where it helped &#8230; that&#8217;s unusual for the Dems</p>
<p>3) Hey, if the netroots had success, I&#8217;m glad they were able to do it without drawing the kind of negative attention they&#8217;ve received in the past. But they certainly didn&#8217;t get much national attention (like they did with Lamont v. Lieberman), and that&#8217;s what I was referring to.</p>
<p>4) The candidates were not all pledged to the plan you mention and were free to expouse a large variety of ideas &#8212; there might be A plan but that doesn&#8217;t make it THE plan for Democrats. There is no THE plan and that didn&#8217;t hurt the party at all.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m looking at all this on a macro-level not a micro one &#8212; how the election played on the national stage and in the national media. The key I think is that good candidates made up for a weak party.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101685</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops didn&#039;t finish...
If only we can get Iraq behind us and have an election on some other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops didn&#8217;t finish&#8230;<br />
If only we can get Iraq behind us and have an election on some other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101683</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This election signals the reemergence of the moderate! After barely choosing the evil we knew over the one we didn&#039;t in 2004, we can hope for some real choice in 2008. Now if only we can get Iraq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This election signals the reemergence of the moderate! After barely choosing the evil we knew over the one we didn&#8217;t in 2004, we can hope for some real choice in 2008. Now if only we can get Iraq</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101675</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are wrong on all four points. 

1.) They have ideas. The first 100 hours. I&#039;m sure you must have heard aobut it. 

2.) Their leadership was campaining heavily. More so than their Republican counterparts in many cases.

3.) Netroots had an amazing success rate this election. They won several races that the Democratic leadership ignored and several others came amazingly close. Also, they built up the infastructure for 2008 in many areas.

4.) They have a plan for Iraq. It&#039;s 528 pages long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong on all four points. </p>
<p>1.) They have ideas. The first 100 hours. I&#8217;m sure you must have heard aobut it. </p>
<p>2.) Their leadership was campaining heavily. More so than their Republican counterparts in many cases.</p>
<p>3.) Netroots had an amazing success rate this election. They won several races that the Democratic leadership ignored and several others came amazingly close. Also, they built up the infastructure for 2008 in many areas.</p>
<p>4.) They have a plan for Iraq. It&#8217;s 528 pages long.</p>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Floridian</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101669</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic Floridian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point I&#039;d like to make.

A plan for Iraq is something IMHO that doesn&#039;t exist for EITHER party. The Republican &quot;We Must Win&quot; plan isn&#039;t a plan. In fact, the Democratic, &quot;Phased withdrawal&quot; is more specific that &quot;Must Win.&quot;

Let&#039;s face it, &quot;phased withdrawal&quot;, at least, implies inquiry and planning on what to do. &quot;Win&quot; is just (surprise) cheerleading</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point I&#8217;d like to make.</p>
<p>A plan for Iraq is something IMHO that doesn&#8217;t exist for EITHER party. The Republican &#8220;We Must Win&#8221; plan isn&#8217;t a plan. In fact, the Democratic, &#8220;Phased withdrawal&#8221; is more specific that &#8220;Must Win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, &#8220;phased withdrawal&#8221;, at least, implies inquiry and planning on what to do. &#8220;Win&#8221; is just (surprise) cheerleading</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101638</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great title. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great title. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Neponset</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101634</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Neponset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations then.</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101633</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Blue, I was rooting for the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Blue, I was rooting for the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Neponset</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/08/how-the-democrats-didnt-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-101632</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Neponset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys got your clock cleaned.  Just admit it and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys got your clock cleaned.  Just admit it and move on.</p>
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