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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/27/warren-buffett-talks-class-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-240100</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin - Do you have any bond money to get Khudadad out of the clink?  I&#039;ve got a lil&#039; bungalow I&#039;d be happy to set him up in if you go get him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin &#8211; Do you have any bond money to get Khudadad out of the clink?  I&#8217;ve got a lil&#8217; bungalow I&#8217;d be happy to set him up in if you go get him.</p>
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		<title>By: Mir khudadad baloch</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/27/warren-buffett-talks-class-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-239977</link>
		<dc:creator>Mir khudadad baloch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please help me iwant to come in europ iam in prisan in pakistan please help me i well be greatful for sir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please help me iwant to come in europ iam in prisan in pakistan please help me i well be greatful for sir</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/27/warren-buffett-talks-class-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-132118</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post got me thinking -- NOT ONE of Donklephant&#039;s esteemed contributors even made passing comment on the death of this country&#039;s FINEST AND BEST 20th century economist -- Milton Freidman.  And yet you post this, which is down right vacuous in terms of meaning...anything, let alone economics.  Sad showing gentlemen, through omission you have shown your entire hand and it is not pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post got me thinking &#8212; NOT ONE of Donklephant&#8217;s esteemed contributors even made passing comment on the death of this country&#8217;s FINEST AND BEST 20th century economist &#8212; Milton Freidman.  And yet you post this, which is down right vacuous in terms of meaning&#8230;anything, let alone economics.  Sad showing gentlemen, through omission you have shown your entire hand and it is not pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Around the web &#124; alexking.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Around the web &#124; alexking.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BenG</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/27/warren-buffett-talks-class-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-128004</link>
		<dc:creator>BenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lewis;  Just finally got back to this and saw your response. I came off sounding too Dem. vs. Rep. and shouldn&#039;t have. The tax code has been evolving far too long to blame it on one party. My point has more to do with Govs role in safeguarding the opportunities for the working class. The rich get enough favors in life, not to say they don&#039;t deserve to have their cake n eat it too when they work for it.  If government doesn&#039;t work for the average bloke than why should anyone agree to pay taxes. Get back to the reason we formed this nation; no taxation wthout representation. And not just the lobyists, who get a large chunk of grant money and earmarked funds for who they represent. So we get taxed to hell, and they get all the representation money can buy. Is that what our government is for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lewis;  Just finally got back to this and saw your response. I came off sounding too Dem. vs. Rep. and shouldn&#8217;t have. The tax code has been evolving far too long to blame it on one party. My point has more to do with Govs role in safeguarding the opportunities for the working class. The rich get enough favors in life, not to say they don&#8217;t deserve to have their cake n eat it too when they work for it.  If government doesn&#8217;t work for the average bloke than why should anyone agree to pay taxes. Get back to the reason we formed this nation; no taxation wthout representation. And not just the lobyists, who get a large chunk of grant money and earmarked funds for who they represent. So we get taxed to hell, and they get all the representation money can buy. Is that what our government is for?</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/27/warren-buffett-talks-class-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-127421</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lesson here and the ONLY lesson is REDUCE government spending.  Is anybody talking about increasing the tax rate for capital gains? Does anyone seriously want to raise the income bracket?  We&#039;ve played this game before -- it was called the 1970&#039;s and it didn&#039;t work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lesson here and the ONLY lesson is REDUCE government spending.  Is anybody talking about increasing the tax rate for capital gains? Does anyone seriously want to raise the income bracket?  We&#8217;ve played this game before &#8212; it was called the 1970&#8217;s and it didn&#8217;t work out.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say you&#039;re blaming the government for something that&#039;s not it&#039;s responsibility.  Extremely rich people don&#039;t have to spend all that money on themselves.  They can give most of it to the government or the less fortunate if they choose.  It&#039;s a personal decision.

The greed factor affects all the rich -not just white republican businessmen.  Look at all the liberal Hollywood types and rock stars - most all of them are poster boys for decadent extravagance.  Or how about all those democratic politicians like Kerry, Edwards and Gore.

Buffet knows he can pay an 80% tax rate and still live far better than almost all of us.  His offer of self sacrifice is completely empty.  Maybe he should pay his employees more instead.  Or pay 100% of their health care, or do more with his money to create good paying jobs for more of us little people.  He can start doing all that tomorrow instead of waiting years for tax laws to be changed.  But the reality is he&#039;s just another way too rich person completely full of bull poop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say you&#8217;re blaming the government for something that&#8217;s not it&#8217;s responsibility.  Extremely rich people don&#8217;t have to spend all that money on themselves.  They can give most of it to the government or the less fortunate if they choose.  It&#8217;s a personal decision.</p>
<p>The greed factor affects all the rich -not just white republican businessmen.  Look at all the liberal Hollywood types and rock stars &#8211; most all of them are poster boys for decadent extravagance.  Or how about all those democratic politicians like Kerry, Edwards and Gore.</p>
<p>Buffet knows he can pay an 80% tax rate and still live far better than almost all of us.  His offer of self sacrifice is completely empty.  Maybe he should pay his employees more instead.  Or pay 100% of their health care, or do more with his money to create good paying jobs for more of us little people.  He can start doing all that tomorrow instead of waiting years for tax laws to be changed.  But the reality is he&#8217;s just another way too rich person completely full of bull poop.</p>
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		<title>By: BenG</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/11/27/warren-buffett-talks-class-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-127226</link>
		<dc:creator>BenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Buffett makes a truely remarkable admission of unfairness here in the way the Gov. collects taxes and all you can say is &#039;I don&#039;t believe it&#039; ?  JohnB, he gives us examples of &#039;the numbers&#039; in very simple terms: make a fraction to show the percentage you pay in taxes. He says right off that this includes all the millions he makes in dividends and interest, which is how much of the wealth is secured by the wealthy. I believe this is why the Rebublicans have so successfully pushed for lower capital gains taxes and desire the flat tax. So much of the income will be immediately available after just 15% is taken out for taxes. Is why it so lucrative to be paid in stock options? It&#039;s not what you make but what you keep that counts. And to show their appreciation they outsource all of our jobs overseas.
This is what Mr. Buffett sees as so unfair. And why, even though he benefits greatly from the system as it is, he knows it needs to be changed before our own greed destroys us.
Mr. Ben Stein ended this interview by commenting: &quot;THIS brings me back to Mr. Buffett. If, in fact, itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s all just a giveaway to the rich masquerading as a new way of stimulating the economy and balancing the budget, please, Mr. Bush, letÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s rethink it. I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t like paying $7 billion a week in interest on the debt. I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t like the idea that Mr. Buffett pays a lot less in tax as a percentage of his income than my housekeeper does or than I do.
Can we really say that weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢re showing fiscal prudence? Are we doing our best? If not, why not? I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t want class warfare from any direction, through the tax system or any other way.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Buffett makes a truely remarkable admission of unfairness here in the way the Gov. collects taxes and all you can say is &#8216;I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217; ?  JohnB, he gives us examples of &#8216;the numbers&#8217; in very simple terms: make a fraction to show the percentage you pay in taxes. He says right off that this includes all the millions he makes in dividends and interest, which is how much of the wealth is secured by the wealthy. I believe this is why the Rebublicans have so successfully pushed for lower capital gains taxes and desire the flat tax. So much of the income will be immediately available after just 15% is taken out for taxes. Is why it so lucrative to be paid in stock options? It&#8217;s not what you make but what you keep that counts. And to show their appreciation they outsource all of our jobs overseas.<br />
This is what Mr. Buffett sees as so unfair. And why, even though he benefits greatly from the system as it is, he knows it needs to be changed before our own greed destroys us.<br />
Mr. Ben Stein ended this interview by commenting: &#8220;THIS brings me back to Mr. Buffett. If, in fact, itÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s all just a giveaway to the rich masquerading as a new way of stimulating the economy and balancing the budget, please, Mr. Bush, letÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s rethink it. I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t like paying $7 billion a week in interest on the debt. I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t like the idea that Mr. Buffett pays a lot less in tax as a percentage of his income than my housekeeper does or than I do.<br />
Can we really say that weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢re showing fiscal prudence? Are we doing our best? If not, why not? I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t want class warfare from any direction, through the tax system or any other way.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
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		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Tax planning&quot; IS &quot;just pay[ing] as the Internal Revenue Code requires.&quot;  Legal tax avoidance should not be mistaken for illegal tax evasion.    

But furthermore, Warren&#039;s fortune is almost entirely in the form of long-term capital gains -- very little need to find an off-shore bank to stuff income when he&#039;s paying 15%.  

For your reading pleasure though: here is a list of abusive tax shelters per the fucking IRS: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/businesses/corporations/article/0,,id=120633,00.html

enjoy

I also demand reimbursement for the time it took me to scroll past Jake&#039;s comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Tax planning&#8221; IS &#8220;just pay[ing] as the Internal Revenue Code requires.&#8221;  Legal tax avoidance should not be mistaken for illegal tax evasion.    </p>
<p>But furthermore, Warren&#8217;s fortune is almost entirely in the form of long-term capital gains &#8212; very little need to find an off-shore bank to stuff income when he&#8217;s paying 15%.  </p>
<p>For your reading pleasure though: here is a list of abusive tax shelters per the fucking IRS: <a href="http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/businesses/corporations/article/0,,id=120633,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/businesses/corporations/article/0,,id=120633,00.html</a></p>
<p>enjoy</p>
<p>I also demand reimbursement for the time it took me to scroll past Jake&#8217;s comment.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a CEO that actually makes a reasonable and justifiable income...how...70&#039;s of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a CEO that actually makes a reasonable and justifiable income&#8230;how&#8230;70&#8217;s of him.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is probably misleading and overly simplified (as everything is in the media).

Buffett only makes $100,000 as CEO of Berkshire. What were the numbers involved for everyone? 

I agree the tax system is grossly unfair and in need of a radical overhaul. But why not show some numbers and demonstrate it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is probably misleading and overly simplified (as everything is in the media).</p>
<p>Buffett only makes $100,000 as CEO of Berkshire. What were the numbers involved for everyone? </p>
<p>I agree the tax system is grossly unfair and in need of a radical overhaul. But why not show some numbers and demonstrate it?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be really interested to see the breakdown of that data sheet, and especially more details on Mr. Buffet&#039;s income and taxability.

I&#039;m solidly middle class, and always looking for ways to reduce my tax burden, but never find anything substantial.  I can save a few hundred bucks here or there occassionally by finding a deduction that actually applies to me, most of them apply to low income people, and they are rather substantial.  I have quite a few friends that pay next to nothing percentage wise in taxes compared to me because their income is 20-40% lower.  

On the other hand, the few friends/aquaintances I have that are wealthy are forced to employ accountants to plan for them, simply because if they don&#039;t they end up very close to where I am after taxes despite having salaries double and more than mine.

So, I&#039;m seeing the opposite case of this article... why is that?  Granted I don&#039;t know any multi-millionaires.  I think there&#039;s a very large omission from this analysis.  Maybe most of Mr. Buffet&#039;s value is tied up in investments that will be taxed out the wazoo when cashed in/sold?  When you have substantial wealth, salary becomes a very small factor in overall taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be really interested to see the breakdown of that data sheet, and especially more details on Mr. Buffet&#8217;s income and taxability.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m solidly middle class, and always looking for ways to reduce my tax burden, but never find anything substantial.  I can save a few hundred bucks here or there occassionally by finding a deduction that actually applies to me, most of them apply to low income people, and they are rather substantial.  I have quite a few friends that pay next to nothing percentage wise in taxes compared to me because their income is 20-40% lower.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, the few friends/aquaintances I have that are wealthy are forced to employ accountants to plan for them, simply because if they don&#8217;t they end up very close to where I am after taxes despite having salaries double and more than mine.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m seeing the opposite case of this article&#8230; why is that?  Granted I don&#8217;t know any multi-millionaires.  I think there&#8217;s a very large omission from this analysis.  Maybe most of Mr. Buffet&#8217;s value is tied up in investments that will be taxed out the wazoo when cashed in/sold?  When you have substantial wealth, salary becomes a very small factor in overall taxation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the simple argument that we need to raise enough taxes to pay the bills.  We can lower the taxes as fast as we can figure out how to lower the costs of government.

Ironically the rich benefit the most from an economically sound US since their assets are likely to be more valuable as the world covets US economic stability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the simple argument that we need to raise enough taxes to pay the bills.  We can lower the taxes as fast as we can figure out how to lower the costs of government.</p>
<p>Ironically the rich benefit the most from an economically sound US since their assets are likely to be more valuable as the world covets US economic stability.</p>
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		<title>By: JustAnotherIdjit</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustAnotherIdjit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I demand reimbursement for the 5 minutes I wasted reading the Jake&#039;s
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I demand reimbursement for the 5 minutes I wasted reading the Jake&#8217;s<br />
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