Comments on: Anti-Muslim Bigotry Is Alive And Well http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:00:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Elfady http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-226762 Elfady Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:15:47 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-226762 As a prime example of Anti-muslim redereict, I know some Americans who pronounce this: Mohammed is a false prophet. He was a man of violence, war, invasion, sex, and women; So don’t believe in him. The Islam is irreligion; so it’s impiety. The Moslem is chameleon-like, changes color; so don’t trust him. The Moslem is guilty, until he’s proven innocent; so watch out for him. .....Elfady These people spent 30 years living around muslims. In Egypt and Irac. They came to America to get away from the evil muslims. They say they are Christain, but I am too and I don't know how a Christian can believe that. Yet muslim and christian relations has become their life, how can I deny the validity of their claims. I'm not about to say I hate muslims. I need more information. As a prime example of Anti-muslim redereict, I know some Americans who pronounce this:

Mohammed is a false prophet. He was a man of violence, war, invasion, sex, and women; So don’t believe in him. The Islam is irreligion; so it’s impiety. The Moslem is chameleon-like, changes color; so don’t trust him. The Moslem is guilty, until he’s proven innocent; so watch out for him. …..Elfady

These people spent 30 years living around muslims. In Egypt and Irac. They came to America to get away from the evil muslims. They say they are Christain, but I am too and I don’t know how a Christian can believe that. Yet muslim and christian relations has become their life, how can I deny the validity of their claims. I’m not about to say I hate muslims. I need more information.

]]> By: Old Atlantic http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-155493 Old Atlantic Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:42:11 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-155493 The genocide of Christians by the Muslim world was well under way in the Ottoman Empire in the 1890's. This had been going on for centuries. The Koran was finalized in written form in 656 AD while the war against Christians and Jews of Islam was well under way. The Koran was written under the authority of the Caliphs. The Koran commands Muslims to do everything Muslims were doing from 622 AD to 656 AD against Christians and Jews, which was conquest, enslavement, and genocide. That is frozen into the Koran. When Muslims react to the Koran in urine or Danish Cartoons, they are saying that the Koran in 656 AD and Muhammed's war on Christians and Jews is locked into Islam and is its essence. Islam dates its calendar from 622 AD when they had a state, not from the birth of Muhammed or his death or his first prophecy. The Koran was finalized in written form in 656 AD by the rulers of Islam to justify what they had done, were doing and wanted to do to Christians and Jews. They were conquering the Eastern Roman Empire which was Christian and Jewish. That was intentionally frozen into the Koran by the committee appointed by the Caliphs. This is unlike any other religion. No Muslim nation has not engaged in enslavement and genocide of Christians and Jews at some point. Christians and Jews starting in 1890 have been eliminated in every Muslim country including Turkey. Constantinople was 50 percent Christian in 1914. The secular Young Turks organized the genocide of the Christians, which started before WWI. No majority Muslim country doesn't discriminate against minorities to the point of eventual genocide. This is true in all of history, in every continent and among people of every race. The genocide of Christians by the Muslim world was well under way in the Ottoman Empire in the 1890’s. This had been going on for centuries. The Koran was finalized in written form in 656 AD while the war against Christians and Jews of Islam was well under way. The Koran was written under the authority of the Caliphs.

The Koran commands Muslims to do everything Muslims were doing from 622 AD to 656 AD against Christians and Jews, which was conquest, enslavement, and genocide. That is frozen into the Koran.

When Muslims react to the Koran in urine or Danish Cartoons, they are saying that the Koran in 656 AD and Muhammed’s war on Christians and Jews is locked into Islam and is its essence.

Islam dates its calendar from 622 AD when they had a state, not from the birth of Muhammed or his death or his first prophecy. The Koran was finalized in written form in 656 AD by the rulers of Islam to justify what they had done, were doing and wanted to do to Christians and Jews. They were conquering the Eastern Roman Empire which was Christian and Jewish. That was intentionally frozen into the Koran by the committee appointed by the Caliphs. This is unlike any other religion.

No Muslim nation has not engaged in enslavement and genocide of Christians and Jews at some point. Christians and Jews starting in 1890 have been eliminated in every Muslim country including Turkey. Constantinople was 50 percent Christian in 1914. The secular Young Turks organized the genocide of the Christians, which started before WWI.

No majority Muslim country doesn’t discriminate against minorities to the point of eventual genocide. This is true in all of history, in every continent and among people of every race.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133375 DosPeros Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:29:21 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133375 <blockquote>Apparently, though, we need to collectively convince America that this is the case too.</blockquote> I'm not Muslim and I don't need to convince anyone of anything. How the hell do I know it's not a problem with Islam? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That's for the Muslims to hash out. As far as convincing Americans, it would go a long way to hear some Imams critique Hamas for being a terrorist organization and the Sudanese gov't for being genocidal -- rather than purposefully trying to get thrown off a US airliners to make some politically correct point.

Apparently, though, we need to collectively convince America that this is the case too.

I’m not Muslim and I don’t need to convince anyone of anything. How the hell do I know it’s not a problem with Islam? Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. That’s for the Muslims to hash out. As far as convincing Americans, it would go a long way to hear some Imams critique Hamas for being a terrorist organization and the Sudanese gov’t for being genocidal — rather than purposefully trying to get thrown off a US airliners to make some politically correct point.

]]> By: Vicki Frei http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133302 Vicki Frei Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:40:26 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133302 Have to agree with sleipner here.... with one small caveat: it's not "religions" that's the major problem, it's the "adherents" of those "religions" - in other words.... people. Until everyone in this world GETS IT that every other individual is entitled (oy, I HATE that word, but it's the only one that fits here....) to hisser own beliefs, we'll always have these "religious" problems. I'm an atheist. I don't need some "overarching god figure" to give meaning to my life. My life goes as it goes (and has been a good life going on 6 decades now), and when it ends, my disparate atoms will disperse into the energy pool. What should anyone need more than that? I live my life with as little harm to others as can be managed, and while I don't ascribe to any religious ethic, I also don't think my way is the only way.... To quote perhaps my favorite author of all time: "There is no ONE TRUE WAY." Have to agree with sleipner here…. with one small caveat: it’s not “religions” that’s the major problem, it’s the “adherents” of those “religions” - in other words…. people.

Until everyone in this world GETS IT that every other individual is entitled (oy, I HATE that word, but it’s the only one that fits here….) to hisser own beliefs, we’ll always have these “religious” problems.

I’m an atheist. I don’t need some “overarching god figure” to give meaning to my life. My life goes as it goes (and has been a good life going on 6 decades now), and when it ends, my disparate atoms will disperse into the energy pool. What should anyone need more than that? I live my life with as little harm to others as can be managed, and while I don’t ascribe to any religious ethic, I also don’t think my way is the only way….

To quote perhaps my favorite author of all time: “There is no ONE TRUE WAY.”

]]> By: Joshua http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133205 Joshua Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:01:15 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133205 Of course, a big part of the problem is that Islamic supremacists, thanks to their far superior funding and organization, their knack for using new communication technology to mobilize globally, and perhaps above all their sheer aggressiveness in getting their message out, have been able to dominate the Muslim side of the discourse. It's gotten to the point where the supremacists can plausibly claim to represent all of Islam and all Muslims everywhere, not because of the merits of their ideas but simply because no other Muslim faction has demonstrated both the inclination and the werewithal to seriously threaten that dominance. Of course, a big part of the problem is that Islamic supremacists, thanks to their far superior funding and organization, their knack for using new communication technology to mobilize globally, and perhaps above all their sheer aggressiveness in getting their message out, have been able to dominate the Muslim side of the discourse. It’s gotten to the point where the supremacists can plausibly claim to represent all of Islam and all Muslims everywhere, not because of the merits of their ideas but simply because no other Muslim faction has demonstrated both the inclination and the werewithal to seriously threaten that dominance.

]]> By: Lewis http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133129 Lewis Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:25:39 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-133129 Thank you Alan for making that small point. How can anyone possibly draw such an overreaching conclusion from a couple of callers to a talk radio show? Of course Americans are suspicious of Muslims but that doesn't mean we are bigots. Holy cow, who's flying airplanes into buildings, rioting over cartoons, killing thousands of innocents with suicide bombs, worshipping death over life and etc, etc, etc.???? We're supposed to ignore all that?? Where are all the so-called moderate Muslims? They need to speak up. You can't hear them for all the bombs exploding. Thank you Alan for making that small point.

How can anyone possibly draw such an overreaching conclusion from a couple of callers to a talk radio show?

Of course Americans are suspicious of Muslims but that doesn’t mean we are bigots. Holy cow, who’s flying airplanes into buildings, rioting over cartoons, killing thousands of innocents with suicide bombs, worshipping death over life and etc, etc, etc.???? We’re supposed to ignore all that?? Where are all the so-called moderate Muslims? They need to speak up. You can’t hear them for all the bombs exploding.

]]> By: Alan Stewart Carl http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-132939 Alan Stewart Carl Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:47:21 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-132939 sleipner ... it's not really religion, it's dogmatic adherence to any ideology. Certainly, the ideology of communism and its subsets (all athiest, mind you) led to vastly more deaths in the 20th century than any religion did. Religion doesn't "sponsor" bigotry, hatred and war -- some people just use religion as an excuse. sleipner … it’s not really religion, it’s dogmatic adherence to any ideology. Certainly, the ideology of communism and its subsets (all athiest, mind you) led to vastly more deaths in the 20th century than any religion did.

Religion doesn’t “sponsor” bigotry, hatred and war — some people just use religion as an excuse.

]]> By: sleipner http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-132729 sleipner Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:42:09 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-132729 Of course my point of view is that religion in general is a far bigger sponsor of bigotry, hatred, and war than any other source, nay, than all other sources combined. But then again, I'm one of those whacko atheists ;) Of course my point of view is that religion in general is a far bigger sponsor of bigotry, hatred, and war than any other source, nay, than all other sources combined. But then again, I’m one of those whacko atheists ;)

]]> By: Glen http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-132089 Glen Mon, 04 Dec 2006 03:05:14 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-132089 Anti-Muslim bigotry may be alive and well, but the victims of Islamic terror are not. Why don't we keep things in perspective... Anti-Muslim bigotry may be alive and well, but the victims of Islamic terror are not. Why don’t we keep things in perspective…

]]> By: probligo http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-131894 probligo Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:00:11 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2006/12/02/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-alive-and-well/#comment-131894 Great post, and Jerry Klein is a brave man indeed for exposing the "true American". No doubt the blogsties will attach the "anti-Semite" label. Great post, and Jerry Klein is a brave man indeed for exposing the “true American”.

No doubt the blogsties will attach the “anti-Semite” label.

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