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	<title>Comments on: Iraq Study Group: We&#8217;re In Trouble</title>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/12/06/iraq-study-group-were-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-136131</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With so much at stake, I thought you&#039;d be interested in knowing what we found to be public opinion/perception on these complicated issues.  Generally speaking, the public consistently favors diplomacy over force in foreign affairs. According to our Foreign Policy Index, 61% of Americans favor more emphasis on diplomatic and economic methods when it comes to fighting terrorism.  Contact me for more or go to http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/major_proposals_detail.cfm?issue_type=americas_global_role&amp;list=2 for more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so much at stake, I thought you&#8217;d be interested in knowing what we found to be public opinion/perception on these complicated issues.  Generally speaking, the public consistently favors diplomacy over force in foreign affairs. According to our Foreign Policy Index, 61% of Americans favor more emphasis on diplomatic and economic methods when it comes to fighting terrorism.  Contact me for more or go to <a href="http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/major_proposals_detail.cfm?issue_type=americas_global_role&amp;list=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/major_proposals_detail.cfm?issue_type=americas_global_role&amp;list=2</a> for more information.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Larson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/12/06/iraq-study-group-were-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-135962</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government Computer News (GCN) recently carried a story on the difficulties experienced with, &quot;Performance-Based Contracting&quot;.  The process was made part of the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) recently in an attempt to pre-establish at contract award those discrete outcomes that determine if and when a contractor will be paid.    

Interestingly enough, the article splits the blame for the difficulties right down the middle, stating the government typically has problems defining what it wants as an end product or outcome and looks to contractors to define it for them.  More than willing to do so, the contactors detail specific end products or outcomes, set schedule milestones and submit competitive proposals.

The winner is selected based on what the government thinks it needs at the time to fullfill its requirement and a contract is negotiated. Once underway,  the government decides it wants something else (usually a management-by-government committee phenomina  with a contractor growing his product or service by offering lots of options).   

The resulting change of contract scope invalidates the original  price and schedule, so a whole new round of proposals and negotiations must occur with the winner while the losers si watch something totally different evolve than that for which they competed.  The clock keeps ticking and the winner keeps getting his montlhy bill paid based on incurred cost or progress payments. 

The link to the GCN ariticle is below and is yet another indication of how government keeps getting bigger by incompetancy:

http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/42691-1.html

For your holiday enjoyment, latch onto the 1980&#039;s  HBO Movie, &quot;The Pentagon Wars&quot;, a  humorous but remarkably true story of the design and development of one of the costliest weapons systems ever to grace the Pentagon Budget, the &quot;Bradley Fighting Vehicle&quot;.  The movie starred Kelsey Grammer as the Pentagon General who led the government establishment sponsoring the vehicle program.  The profusion of design and performance specification changes and other difficulties which plagued the program for years was hilariously but accurately portrayed in the film.  It was nominated for an Emmy.  

Further details on Defense Industrial Complex procurement  see  the posting entitled, &quot;Odyssey of Armaments&quot; at:

http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government Computer News (GCN) recently carried a story on the difficulties experienced with, &#8220;Performance-Based Contracting&#8221;.  The process was made part of the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) recently in an attempt to pre-establish at contract award those discrete outcomes that determine if and when a contractor will be paid.    </p>
<p>Interestingly enough, the article splits the blame for the difficulties right down the middle, stating the government typically has problems defining what it wants as an end product or outcome and looks to contractors to define it for them.  More than willing to do so, the contactors detail specific end products or outcomes, set schedule milestones and submit competitive proposals.</p>
<p>The winner is selected based on what the government thinks it needs at the time to fullfill its requirement and a contract is negotiated. Once underway,  the government decides it wants something else (usually a management-by-government committee phenomina  with a contractor growing his product or service by offering lots of options).   </p>
<p>The resulting change of contract scope invalidates the original  price and schedule, so a whole new round of proposals and negotiations must occur with the winner while the losers si watch something totally different evolve than that for which they competed.  The clock keeps ticking and the winner keeps getting his montlhy bill paid based on incurred cost or progress payments. </p>
<p>The link to the GCN ariticle is below and is yet another indication of how government keeps getting bigger by incompetancy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/42691-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/42691-1.html</a></p>
<p>For your holiday enjoyment, latch onto the 1980&#8217;s  HBO Movie, &#8220;The Pentagon Wars&#8221;, a  humorous but remarkably true story of the design and development of one of the costliest weapons systems ever to grace the Pentagon Budget, the &#8220;Bradley Fighting Vehicle&#8221;.  The movie starred Kelsey Grammer as the Pentagon General who led the government establishment sponsoring the vehicle program.  The profusion of design and performance specification changes and other difficulties which plagued the program for years was hilariously but accurately portrayed in the film.  It was nominated for an Emmy.  </p>
<p>Further details on Defense Industrial Complex procurement  see  the posting entitled, &#8220;Odyssey of Armaments&#8221; at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reyes&#039;s was interviewed on Ed Schultz&#039;s program today and he said he made the increased troops comment in August of 2005. Moreover, he wasn&#039;t talking about an additional 20,000-30,000 troops but rather troops already present in Iraq. He wanted to take troops that were already in Iraq and bring them to Bagdad to fight the militias. It&#039;s also important to note that Reyes voted against the Iraq War Resolution and was proud of the fact that he convinced the Hispanic caucus to also vote against the resolution which they did. His stated reasoning at the time was that as a standing member of the House Intelligence committe he had access to considerable intelligence information and believed that the Bush administration was cherry picking and distorting the intelligence. The intelligence he saw didn&#039;t support going to war.

Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reyes&#8217;s was interviewed on Ed Schultz&#8217;s program today and he said he made the increased troops comment in August of 2005. Moreover, he wasn&#8217;t talking about an additional 20,000-30,000 troops but rather troops already present in Iraq. He wanted to take troops that were already in Iraq and bring them to Bagdad to fight the militias. It&#8217;s also important to note that Reyes voted against the Iraq War Resolution and was proud of the fact that he convinced the Hispanic caucus to also vote against the resolution which they did. His stated reasoning at the time was that as a standing member of the House Intelligence committe he had access to considerable intelligence information and believed that the Bush administration was cherry picking and distorting the intelligence. The intelligence he saw didn&#8217;t support going to war.</p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We will then have to run a Volkswagon instead of a Caddy and get along somehow. We better start practicing now and get off our high horse. Our golden aura in the world is beginning to dull from arrogance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Quite insightful, but what do you think will be that ONE event that makes the Pentagon shape up?

Personally, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s one event. I think it&#039;s a slow steady decline and an outcry from the American people as to why our defense budget is going up while our economy is in the tank. It may be 50 years from now, but it&#039;s still a reality I think I&#039;ll see in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We will then have to run a Volkswagon instead of a Caddy and get along somehow. We better start practicing now and get off our high horse. Our golden aura in the world is beginning to dull from arrogance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Quite insightful, but what do you think will be that ONE event that makes the Pentagon shape up?</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s one event. I think it&#8217;s a slow steady decline and an outcry from the American people as to why our defense budget is going up while our economy is in the tank. It may be 50 years from now, but it&#8217;s still a reality I think I&#8217;ll see in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Larson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2006/12/06/iraq-study-group-were-in-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-135293</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are good points in the article. I would like to supplement them with some information:

I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

If you are interested in a view of the inside of the Pentagon procurement process from Vietnam to Iraq please check the posting at my blog entitled, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œOdyssey of ArmementsÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚?

http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com

The Pentagon is a giant,incredibly complex establishment,budgeted in excess of $500B per year. The Rumsfelds, the Adminisitrations and the Congressmen come and go but the real machinery of policy and procurement keeps grinding away, presenting the politicos who arrive with detail and alternatives slanted to perpetuate itself.

How can any newcomer, be he a President, a Congressman or even the Sec. Def. to be - Mr. Gates- understand such complexity, particulary if heretofore he has not had the clearance to get the full details?

Answer- he canÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t. Therefor he accepts the alternatives provided by the career establishment that never goes away and he hopes he makes the right choices. Or he is influenced by a lobbyist or two representing companies in his district or special interest groups. 

From a practical standpoint, policy and war decisions are made far below the levels of the talking heads who take the heat or the credit for the results. 

This situation is unfortunate but it is ablsolute fact. Take it from one who has been to war and worked in the establishment.

This giant policy making and war machine will eventually come apart and have to be put back together to operate smaller, leaner and on less fuel. But that wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t happen unitil it hits a brick wall at high speed. 

We will then have to run a Volkswagon instead of a Caddy and get along somehow. We better start practicing now and get off our high horse. Our golden aura in the world is beginning to dull from arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are good points in the article. I would like to supplement them with some information:</p>
<p>I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.</p>
<p>If you are interested in a view of the inside of the Pentagon procurement process from Vietnam to Iraq please check the posting at my blog entitled, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œOdyssey of ArmementsÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>The Pentagon is a giant,incredibly complex establishment,budgeted in excess of $500B per year. The Rumsfelds, the Adminisitrations and the Congressmen come and go but the real machinery of policy and procurement keeps grinding away, presenting the politicos who arrive with detail and alternatives slanted to perpetuate itself.</p>
<p>How can any newcomer, be he a President, a Congressman or even the Sec. Def. to be &#8211; Mr. Gates- understand such complexity, particulary if heretofore he has not had the clearance to get the full details?</p>
<p>Answer- he canÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t. Therefor he accepts the alternatives provided by the career establishment that never goes away and he hopes he makes the right choices. Or he is influenced by a lobbyist or two representing companies in his district or special interest groups. </p>
<p>From a practical standpoint, policy and war decisions are made far below the levels of the talking heads who take the heat or the credit for the results. </p>
<p>This situation is unfortunate but it is ablsolute fact. Take it from one who has been to war and worked in the establishment.</p>
<p>This giant policy making and war machine will eventually come apart and have to be put back together to operate smaller, leaner and on less fuel. But that wonÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t happen unitil it hits a brick wall at high speed. </p>
<p>We will then have to run a Volkswagon instead of a Caddy and get along somehow. We better start practicing now and get off our high horse. Our golden aura in the world is beginning to dull from arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: probligo</title>
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		<dc:creator>probligo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daddy&#039;s mates doing their best to save his son&#039;s derriere I suspect.

More to the point,  what son ever listened to his father&#039;s advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daddy&#8217;s mates doing their best to save his son&#8217;s derriere I suspect.</p>
<p>More to the point,  what son ever listened to his father&#8217;s advice?</p>
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