Comments on: Arming to the Teeth http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:08:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: probligo http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-241319 probligo Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:37:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-241319 "For decades, Israel has successfully deterred aggression from its much more populous Arab neighbors <b>by investing in a far more sophisticated and deadly military machine</b>." <b>Including nuclear weapons.</b> “For decades, Israel has successfully deterred aggression from its much more populous Arab neighbors by investing in a far more sophisticated and deadly military machine.”

Including nuclear weapons.

]]> By: Artillery Guy http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-241311 Artillery Guy Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:09:32 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-241311 d'Brit says, "Once a bomb detonates how do you determine where it originated from? So exactly whom do you retaliate against?" Identification of certain isotopes left as residue (ie fallout) can pin point exactly the source of a bomb. Nupoc 101. d’Brit says, “Once a bomb detonates how do you determine where it originated from? So exactly whom do you retaliate against?”

Identification of certain isotopes left as residue (ie fallout) can pin point exactly the source of a bomb. Nupoc 101.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240895 DosPeros Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:05:00 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240895 On a related note, John Edwards & Obama have come out for the immediate disarming of the chimpanzees as they pose a significant threat to the state of the Bushbabies. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253810,00.html On a related note, John Edwards & Obama have come out for the immediate disarming of the chimpanzees as they pose a significant threat to the state of the Bushbabies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253810,00.html

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240863 DosPeros Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:51:35 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240863 d'Brit - I was being factitious, mocking the capitulating, cowardly, America-hating tripe you'll hear from the corners of the defeatshpere. These people make Neville Chamberlain look like he had a huge set of balls. I share entirely your concerns re: Iran as does everyone without either a latent hatred for Western Civilization or a fantasy-world to live in. d’Brit - I was being factitious, mocking the capitulating, cowardly, America-hating tripe you’ll hear from the corners of the defeatshpere. These people make Neville Chamberlain look like he had a huge set of balls. I share entirely your concerns re: Iran as does everyone without either a latent hatred for Western Civilization or a fantasy-world to live in.

]]> By: d'Brit http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240254 d'Brit Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:10:52 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240254 naj, Your hostility is showing. Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message. My characterizing Iran as 'most probably' is a reflection of the intertwined support for terrorism across the mideast. Does it really matter whether they are first, second or third? Iranian mullahs have consistently called for the "Death of America', we are the 'Great Satan'. Their 'president' has consistently called for the extermination of Israel and the Jews. It is commonly acknowledged by experts that he is a mouthpiece for the ruling mullahs. What evidence do you offer that they are bluffing? Your discomfort with the reality of malovence? I was 28 years old when Iran took American embassy personnel hostage. So I have observed the Iranians for a very long time. Iran attaining nukes will instantly raise its status beyond any other muslim nation. I wasn't suggesting that the Iranians will necessarily launch a direct attack upon other nations once they acquire nukes, though if circumstance dictates, they may well do so. It is just as likely that they will use the covert threat of nukes to 'persuade' other mideast nations to 'toe the line'. Your questions reveal a deep discomfort with acknowledging the reality of the malovence we face, which changes the truth of that reality not at all. naj,

Your hostility is showing. Don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message.

My characterizing Iran as ‘most probably’ is a reflection of the intertwined support for terrorism across the mideast. Does it really matter whether they are first, second or third?

Iranian mullahs have consistently called for the “Death of America’, we are the ‘Great Satan’. Their ‘president’ has consistently called for the extermination of Israel and the Jews. It is commonly acknowledged by experts that he is a mouthpiece for the ruling mullahs.

What evidence do you offer that they are bluffing? Your discomfort with the reality of malovence?

I was 28 years old when Iran took American embassy personnel hostage. So I have observed the Iranians for a very long time.

Iran attaining nukes will instantly raise its status beyond any other muslim nation. I wasn’t suggesting that the Iranians will necessarily launch a direct attack upon other nations once they acquire nukes, though if circumstance dictates, they may well do so. It is just as likely that they will use the covert threat of nukes to ‘persuade’ other mideast nations to ‘toe the line’.

Your questions reveal a deep discomfort with acknowledging the reality of the malovence we face, which changes the truth of that reality not at all.

]]> By: naj http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240242 naj Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:38:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240242 D'Brit: <i>Iran is <b>most probably</b> the foremost sponsor of terrorism in the world. Once they acquire nukes it is just a matter of time till they give some to terrorist groups, who <b>WILL</b> use them on us and on Israel.</i> You feel prophetic or something huh?! Do you have any evidence for Iran's military aggression on any state?! How much do you know about Iran, anyways?! D’Brit:
Iran is most probably the foremost sponsor of terrorism in the world.

Once they acquire nukes it is just a matter of time till they give some to terrorist groups, who WILL use them on us and on Israel.

You feel prophetic or something huh?!

Do you have any evidence for Iran’s military aggression on any state?!
How much do you know about Iran, anyways?!

]]> By: d'Brit http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240235 d'Brit Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:17:54 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240235 DosPeros, "rigorous inspections from the United Nations" is an oxymoron. MAD doesn't apply when dealing with state-less terrorist groups and Islamic religious fanaticism doesn't fear death, it welcomes it as the 'door' to paradise. 24 is a case of art (badly) seeking to imitate life. That Jack Bauer sure is one AMAZINGLY lucky fellow... You have given a perfect example of denial grounded in naivity. 'Peace' has no chance when you are trying to 'negotiate' with those whose cultural conditioning views 'diplomacy' as appeasement. In all likelihood you will strongly deny it of course, just as pacifistic liberals in England did, right up until Hitler crossed into France. "Those who refuse to learn from history's lessons, are doomed to repeat them" DosPeros,

“rigorous inspections from the United Nations” is an oxymoron.

MAD doesn’t apply when dealing with state-less terrorist groups and Islamic religious fanaticism doesn’t fear death, it welcomes it as the ‘door’ to paradise.

24 is a case of art (badly) seeking to imitate life. That Jack Bauer sure is one AMAZINGLY lucky fellow…

You have given a perfect example of denial grounded in naivity.

‘Peace’ has no chance when you are trying to ‘negotiate’ with those whose cultural conditioning views ‘diplomacy’ as appeasement.

In all likelihood you will strongly deny it of course, just as pacifistic liberals in England did, right up until Hitler crossed into France.

“Those who refuse to learn from history’s lessons, are doomed to repeat them”

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240193 DosPeros Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:06:54 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240193 <blockquote>Once they acquire nukes it is just a matter of time till they give some to terrorist groups, who WILL use them on us and on Israel.</blockquote> d'Brit, you've simply watched too many episodes of 24. Come on, get in the really world. With rigorous inspections from the United Nations they'll be totally constrained. <blockquote>They can also use them to effectively take over the middle east and essentially control the price of oil, threatening economic collapse of western economies is fairly serious as well, wouldn’t you agree?</blockquote> Again, come on. They will be constrained by the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction and will naturally capitulate to an equilibrium between themselves, Isreal and the House of Saud. In short, relax. Give peace a chance.

Once they acquire nukes it is just a matter of time till they give some to terrorist groups, who WILL use them on us and on Israel.

d’Brit, you’ve simply watched too many episodes of 24. Come on, get in the really world. With rigorous inspections from the United Nations they’ll be totally constrained.

They can also use them to effectively take over the middle east and essentially control the price of oil, threatening economic collapse of western economies is fairly serious as well, wouldn’t you agree?

Again, come on. They will be constrained by the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction and will naturally capitulate to an equilibrium between themselves, Isreal and the House of Saud.

In short, relax. Give peace a chance.

]]> By: d'Brit http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240137 d'Brit Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:39:54 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240137 "What is the big deal about Iran having nukes?" Iran is most probably the foremost sponsor of terrorism in the world. Once they acquire nukes it is just a matter of time till they give some to terrorist groups, who WILL use them on us and on Israel. Once a bomb detonates how do you determine where it originated from? So exactly whom do you retaliate against? They can also use them to effectively take over the middle east and essentially control the price of oil, threatening economic collapse of western economies is fairly serious as well, wouldn't you agree? THAT is what the 'big deal' is with Iran getting nukes. “What is the big deal about Iran having nukes?”

Iran is most probably the foremost sponsor of terrorism in the world.

Once they acquire nukes it is just a matter of time till they give some to terrorist groups, who WILL use them on us and on Israel.

Once a bomb detonates how do you determine where it originated from? So exactly whom do you retaliate against?

They can also use them to effectively take over the middle east and essentially control the price of oil, threatening economic collapse of western economies is fairly serious as well, wouldn’t you agree?

THAT is what the ‘big deal’ is with Iran getting nukes.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240086 DosPeros Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:49:58 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-240086 I don't think MAD fits into the jihadist paradigm quit the same way it did for the Soviet Union and the United States. The problem with exhausting all diplomatic efforts is that diplomatic efforts are NEVER exhausted...literally one can talk until there blue in the face and continue to talk and talk and talk and talk and talk, meanwhile Iran gets a bomb. Which lets face it, the libbies don't really care that much about. If the U.S. can have the bomb it only seems fair that Iran should be allowed to have the bomb and, as you've made perfectly clear, they probably won't use it anyway, so what is all the fuss about. I just don't understand why people don't come out and say it: What is the big deal about Iran having nukes? I don’t think MAD fits into the jihadist paradigm quit the same way it did for the Soviet Union and the United States. The problem with exhausting all diplomatic efforts is that diplomatic efforts are NEVER exhausted…literally one can talk until there blue in the face and continue to talk and talk and talk and talk and talk, meanwhile Iran gets a bomb. Which lets face it, the libbies don’t really care that much about. If the U.S. can have the bomb it only seems fair that Iran should be allowed to have the bomb and, as you’ve made perfectly clear, they probably won’t use it anyway, so what is all the fuss about.

I just don’t understand why people don’t come out and say it: What is the big deal about Iran having nukes?

]]> By: bob in fl http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-239773 bob in fl Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:27:24 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/23/arming-to-the-teeth/#comment-239773 Marc, have you ever heard of MAD? Do you actually believe that either the Saudis or Iranians are foolish enough to actually use them? I am not suggesting letting any country develop a nuclear weapons program unchecked. I strongly suggest that a unilateral attack or invasion is guaranteed to fail. But if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that any country is developing a nuclear threat, after the North Korea experience, we will have plenty of allies to back us up.. Of course my assumptions may be wrong. I suggest that all diplomatic efforts be exhausted before any nation goes off half cocked. Especially one that believes the nuclear option is a realistic last ditch way to achieve "victory". What good is victory if it meansthe end of humanity? Marc, have you ever heard of MAD? Do you actually believe that either the Saudis or Iranians are foolish enough to actually use them? I am not suggesting letting any country develop a nuclear weapons program unchecked. I strongly suggest that a unilateral attack or invasion is guaranteed to fail. But if there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that any country is developing a nuclear threat, after the North Korea experience, we will have plenty of allies to back us up..

Of course my assumptions may be wrong. I suggest that all diplomatic efforts be exhausted before any nation goes off half cocked. Especially one that believes the nuclear option is a realistic last ditch way to achieve “victory”. What good is victory if it meansthe end of humanity?

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