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	<title>Comments on: More On Gonzales&#8217; Fired Attorneys</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: LibSlayer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/03/14/more-on-gonzales-fired-attorneys/comment-page-1/#comment-281131</link>
		<dc:creator>LibSlayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And since when do we accept the Clinton standard for ethical conduct, anyway?&quot;


Since clinton was not removed from office for highcrimes and misdemeanors.


Finally clinton DID fire attorneys that he appointed, he fired over 120 attorneys, 30+ of which HE appointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And since when do we accept the Clinton standard for ethical conduct, anyway?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since clinton was not removed from office for highcrimes and misdemeanors.</p>
<p>Finally clinton DID fire attorneys that he appointed, he fired over 120 attorneys, 30+ of which HE appointed.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/03/14/more-on-gonzales-fired-attorneys/comment-page-1/#comment-272630</link>
		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s really interesting is that almost 5 times as many democrats as republicans have been the target of actions by Bush&#039;s prosecutors...despite the fact that until recently democrats were outnumbered in congress (and republicans are far more corrupt, imo).  So even before these 8 were fired, the vast majority of prosecutors were showing tremendous bias.

One comment about Clinton&#039;s firings...presumably his appointments were subject to Congressional approval, as Bush&#039;s are not, thanks to the sneak provision that should have never been included in the bill that should never have been passed (the so-called patriot act).  One would think any overly biased prosecutorial nomination would have been disapproved or not nominated to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s really interesting is that almost 5 times as many democrats as republicans have been the target of actions by Bush&#8217;s prosecutors&#8230;despite the fact that until recently democrats were outnumbered in congress (and republicans are far more corrupt, imo).  So even before these 8 were fired, the vast majority of prosecutors were showing tremendous bias.</p>
<p>One comment about Clinton&#8217;s firings&#8230;presumably his appointments were subject to Congressional approval, as Bush&#8217;s are not, thanks to the sneak provision that should have never been included in the bill that should never have been passed (the so-called patriot act).  One would think any overly biased prosecutorial nomination would have been disapproved or not nominated to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: bob in fl</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in fl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Dogs has a point, except he doesn&#039;t mention the fact that both the FBI chief &amp; Gonzales admitted what they did was wrong, &amp; that a sizable minority of their illegal surveillance involved no one involved in terrorist activities.  It is almost comical to see the far right spin their venom without mentioning ANY facts that deviate from their lock step opinions.

The fact remains Gonzales slandered the reputations of these people &amp; then lied to Congress about who was &amp; was not involved in these activities. Hell, their own paper trail proves this. Counter that . And, please try to stay on topic, for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Dogs has a point, except he doesn&#8217;t mention the fact that both the FBI chief &amp; Gonzales admitted what they did was wrong, &amp; that a sizable minority of their illegal surveillance involved no one involved in terrorist activities.  It is almost comical to see the far right spin their venom without mentioning ANY facts that deviate from their lock step opinions.</p>
<p>The fact remains Gonzales slandered the reputations of these people &amp; then lied to Congress about who was &amp; was not involved in these activities. Hell, their own paper trail proves this. Counter that . And, please try to stay on topic, for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/03/14/more-on-gonzales-fired-attorneys/comment-page-1/#comment-269458</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Gonz and Co. royally messed up by lying about it, and then getting caught red-handed and actually helped give this story legs. If nothing else, they showed the political skills of rocks&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is true enough, Lit3Bold.  But please notice how the target has now shifted.  Where once the anguish was focused on the alleged political motivation of the firings - having discovered that that argument is a non sequitur - it has been converted to the much more palatable and tried-and-true issue of lying.  

What is fascinating to watch though are the hacks, like some guy in Florida named Bob, try to link this episode of political klutziness to a litnany of constitutional disagreements with the DOJ - as if the &quot;enemy combatant&quot; status of terrorists is evil fruit from the same the tree.  

Calls for Gonz. to step-down play well with the moonbats and have little effect on the rest of the electorate, because every knows it won&#039;t happen.  So the Dems are being smart in pushing this, it is a no-lose situation and an opportunity to shore up their Jonestown base, but in the end, it&#039;s just noise that distracts us from the business at hand - detaining, torturing and spying on American citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Gonz and Co. royally messed up by lying about it, and then getting caught red-handed and actually helped give this story legs. If nothing else, they showed the political skills of rocks</p></blockquote>
<p>This is true enough, Lit3Bold.  But please notice how the target has now shifted.  Where once the anguish was focused on the alleged political motivation of the firings &#8211; having discovered that that argument is a non sequitur &#8211; it has been converted to the much more palatable and tried-and-true issue of lying.  </p>
<p>What is fascinating to watch though are the hacks, like some guy in Florida named Bob, try to link this episode of political klutziness to a litnany of constitutional disagreements with the DOJ &#8211; as if the &#8220;enemy combatant&#8221; status of terrorists is evil fruit from the same the tree.  </p>
<p>Calls for Gonz. to step-down play well with the moonbats and have little effect on the rest of the electorate, because every knows it won&#8217;t happen.  So the Dems are being smart in pushing this, it is a no-lose situation and an opportunity to shore up their Jonestown base, but in the end, it&#8217;s just noise that distracts us from the business at hand &#8211; detaining, torturing and spying on American citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Lit3Bolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lit3Bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dos, why are you even bothering to minimize this?  Let&#039;s accept that truth and democracy are mere ideals in the down and dirty world of politics.  However, Gonz and Co. royally messed up by lying about it, and then getting caught red-handed and actually helped give this story legs.  If nothing else, they showed the political skills of rocks, and they&#039;re still being stupid about it.  Just like Clinton was stupid about lying about his affair.  The actual story itself isn&#039;t shocking anymore, it&#039;s the clumsy attempt of a cover-up.  There&#039;s politics for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dos, why are you even bothering to minimize this?  Let&#8217;s accept that truth and democracy are mere ideals in the down and dirty world of politics.  However, Gonz and Co. royally messed up by lying about it, and then getting caught red-handed and actually helped give this story legs.  If nothing else, they showed the political skills of rocks, and they&#8217;re still being stupid about it.  Just like Clinton was stupid about lying about his affair.  The actual story itself isn&#8217;t shocking anymore, it&#8217;s the clumsy attempt of a cover-up.  There&#8217;s politics for you.</p>
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		<title>By: bob in fl</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in fl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is one thing to fire a USA for political reasons. It is another to lie about those reasons, which Gonzales&#039; staff did, damaging the reputations of USAs who had recently had positive performance reviews.

Try to remember that these guys were fired in December, pushed out the door in January. There was no uproar from anyone up until the Attorneys saw the press about their being fired for performance reasons. The only way to protect their reputations &amp; resumes was to go public, which they did.

Still, it would only have been a 2 day headline except the admission of illegality of the FBI&#039;s surveillance in 10s of thousands of cases. Gonzales, as their boss, let it happen, if not encouraging it.  Or the fact that he either did not know what his own Chief of Staff was up to or he lied to Congress.

The man needs to go. Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is one thing to fire a USA for political reasons. It is another to lie about those reasons, which Gonzales&#8217; staff did, damaging the reputations of USAs who had recently had positive performance reviews.</p>
<p>Try to remember that these guys were fired in December, pushed out the door in January. There was no uproar from anyone up until the Attorneys saw the press about their being fired for performance reasons. The only way to protect their reputations &amp; resumes was to go public, which they did.</p>
<p>Still, it would only have been a 2 day headline except the admission of illegality of the FBI&#8217;s surveillance in 10s of thousands of cases. Gonzales, as their boss, let it happen, if not encouraging it.  Or the fact that he either did not know what his own Chief of Staff was up to or he lied to Congress.</p>
<p>The man needs to go. Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
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		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;political prosecutions&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t know even where to start with that gem.  Are you alleging that there was pressure to prosecute innocent individuals for their political positions/speech?  Because that truly would be appalling and I would be the first to call for someone&#039;s head.  Or is it that there was pressure to prosecute the crimes of one&#039;s political nemisis?  If that be the case, welcome to a democracy.  Prosecutorial discretion implicates Politics -- if you don&#039;t believe me, just talk to Scotter Libby -- oh, that&#039;s right, politics had NOTHING to do with that spectacle. Again, laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>political prosecutions</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know even where to start with that gem.  Are you alleging that there was pressure to prosecute innocent individuals for their political positions/speech?  Because that truly would be appalling and I would be the first to call for someone&#8217;s head.  Or is it that there was pressure to prosecute the crimes of one&#8217;s political nemisis?  If that be the case, welcome to a democracy.  Prosecutorial discretion implicates Politics &#8212; if you don&#8217;t believe me, just talk to Scotter Libby &#8212; oh, that&#8217;s right, politics had NOTHING to do with that spectacle. Again, laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue here is that once these attorneys didn&#039;t put political prosecutions on the front burner, they were dismissed so the administration could find prosecutors who would. Is it illegal? Nope. Does it look like an partisan, cynical abuse of power? Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue here is that once these attorneys didn&#8217;t put political prosecutions on the front burner, they were dismissed so the administration could find prosecutors who would. Is it illegal? Nope. Does it look like an partisan, cynical abuse of power? Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dos -

For me its the latter, that the positions are politicized.  I don&#039;t believe the law should be interpreted depending on political affiliations/beliefs.  I understand it&#039;s a reality, it&#039;s just one I don&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dos -</p>
<p>For me its the latter, that the positions are politicized.  I don&#8217;t believe the law should be interpreted depending on political affiliations/beliefs.  I understand it&#8217;s a reality, it&#8217;s just one I don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
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		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just curious, what is the fear here?  That these poor attorney&#039;s won&#039;t be able to get jobs or is it that the position becomes politicized?  Both are laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just curious, what is the fear here?  That these poor attorney&#8217;s won&#8217;t be able to get jobs or is it that the position becomes politicized?  Both are laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Captain Ed.  He&#039;s right on about a lot of things, this situation included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Captain Ed.  He&#8217;s right on about a lot of things, this situation included.</p>
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