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		<title>By: mike mcEachran</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-314878</link>
		<dc:creator>mike mcEachran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;enemy&quot; is willing to wait us out, and by wait I mean for GENERATIONS.  They think in the very looooooong term.  Thoooouuuusands of years.  The question that we face is: are we willing to stay in the middle of it for generations, too?  Bush says we should be willing.  (Well, sure he says that, he put us there.)  &quot;Who can wait the longest?&quot; Is that the game we want to play?  &quot;They&quot; are really good at it.  Surge, no surge, twice the troops, three times, &quot;the enemy&quot; is willing to sit in their holes and wait, and peek their little heads out every once in awhile and cause all kinds of nastiness.  They don&#039;t care who they kill, and they never will.  It all works in their favor.  The longer we&#039;re there, the better their recruitment because our presence is proving them right, that we are threatening to take over their culture.  That&#039;s a fine mess!  I thought we were there to bring them democracy?  What the fuck happened?  Oh, yeah, we lied about that, that&#039;s what happened.  So now we either stay on the front lines with our troops being ground into the sectarian meat grinder for GENERATIONS, or we pull out and let the chips fall where they may.  Both are pretty scary, huh?  Thanks, George.  Why, oh why didn&#039;t you stick to Afganistan?  We had em, we fuckin had em!  

Hellooooo Ethanol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;enemy&#8221; is willing to wait us out, and by wait I mean for GENERATIONS.  They think in the very looooooong term.  Thoooouuuusands of years.  The question that we face is: are we willing to stay in the middle of it for generations, too?  Bush says we should be willing.  (Well, sure he says that, he put us there.)  &#8220;Who can wait the longest?&#8221; Is that the game we want to play?  &#8220;They&#8221; are really good at it.  Surge, no surge, twice the troops, three times, &#8220;the enemy&#8221; is willing to sit in their holes and wait, and peek their little heads out every once in awhile and cause all kinds of nastiness.  They don&#8217;t care who they kill, and they never will.  It all works in their favor.  The longer we&#8217;re there, the better their recruitment because our presence is proving them right, that we are threatening to take over their culture.  That&#8217;s a fine mess!  I thought we were there to bring them democracy?  What the fuck happened?  Oh, yeah, we lied about that, that&#8217;s what happened.  So now we either stay on the front lines with our troops being ground into the sectarian meat grinder for GENERATIONS, or we pull out and let the chips fall where they may.  Both are pretty scary, huh?  Thanks, George.  Why, oh why didn&#8217;t you stick to Afganistan?  We had em, we fuckin had em!  </p>
<p>Hellooooo Ethanol!</p>
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		<title>By: DosPeros</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-314669</link>
		<dc:creator>DosPeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m betting the Federalist Society really regrets ramrodding through a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œfigureheadÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? president like Bush, because heÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s set their agenda for total governmental control by and for the rich by decades.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

sleipner, while I&#039;d love to give the Federalist Society the power to elect the President, the description of the &quot;ramrodding of a &#039;figurehead&quot; is not only disgusting, but a bit of the superflous goofatry I have come to love you by.   

But the regret of which you speak is true, however it is tempered by the relief of two exceptional Supreme Court Justices.  It is also tempered by the recognition of the alternative history and the solace that everyone can take when &quot;what else was I do?&quot;-situations arise. The Federalist Society as an organization supports no individual candidate for political office and there is no litmus test of individual members.

&lt;blockquote&gt;heÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s set their agenda for total governmental control by and for the rich by decades&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the lexicon of &quot;Stupid Things Sleipner Has Written&quot;, and it is voluminous, this nugget may take the cake.  The FS is perhaps the most respected scholarly legal organization is the US, on par and above any legal thinktank.  Its agenda is ideological, not monetary.  Do you you really think that the FS ideology is: Rich people should control the government to make them more rich. If that is your misconception then you have fallen down the rabbit&#039;s hole to inescapable depth and I can only wish you good times making tinfoil hats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m betting the Federalist Society really regrets ramrodding through a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…â€œfigureheadÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚? president like Bush, because heÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s set their agenda for total governmental control by and for the rich by decades.</p></blockquote>
<p>sleipner, while I&#8217;d love to give the Federalist Society the power to elect the President, the description of the &#8220;ramrodding of a &#8216;figurehead&#8221; is not only disgusting, but a bit of the superflous goofatry I have come to love you by.   </p>
<p>But the regret of which you speak is true, however it is tempered by the relief of two exceptional Supreme Court Justices.  It is also tempered by the recognition of the alternative history and the solace that everyone can take when &#8220;what else was I do?&#8221;-situations arise. The Federalist Society as an organization supports no individual candidate for political office and there is no litmus test of individual members.</p>
<blockquote><p>heÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s set their agenda for total governmental control by and for the rich by decades</p></blockquote>
<p>In the lexicon of &#8220;Stupid Things Sleipner Has Written&#8221;, and it is voluminous, this nugget may take the cake.  The FS is perhaps the most respected scholarly legal organization is the US, on par and above any legal thinktank.  Its agenda is ideological, not monetary.  Do you you really think that the FS ideology is: Rich people should control the government to make them more rich. If that is your misconception then you have fallen down the rabbit&#8217;s hole to inescapable depth and I can only wish you good times making tinfoil hats.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Aqui</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-314646</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Aqui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Bush has demonstrated a real talent for incompetence -- and hiring incompetence, as well.

But after years of saying &quot;Security first, rebuilding second, and that means we need more troops,&quot; I feel it&#039;s only fair to give Bush a chance now that he has said, &quot;You know what? We should secure the place first and *then* rebuild, and that means we need more troops!&quot; Sure, the guy&#039;s a slow learner, but he deserves some reward for finally catching up to the rest of the class.

Now, I think 23,000 troops is a drop in the bucket compared to what&#039;s needed, as the surge is arguably starting to show: Violence is down (though obviously not eliminated) in Baghdad, but up in neighboring provinces. But if the surge succeeds in calming Baghdad, it will show that victory *is* possible, if only we commit enough troops.

Where we will get those troops, I have no idea. But that&#039;s a matter for debate after the surge shows it can work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Bush has demonstrated a real talent for incompetence &#8212; and hiring incompetence, as well.</p>
<p>But after years of saying &#8220;Security first, rebuilding second, and that means we need more troops,&#8221; I feel it&#8217;s only fair to give Bush a chance now that he has said, &#8220;You know what? We should secure the place first and *then* rebuild, and that means we need more troops!&#8221; Sure, the guy&#8217;s a slow learner, but he deserves some reward for finally catching up to the rest of the class.</p>
<p>Now, I think 23,000 troops is a drop in the bucket compared to what&#8217;s needed, as the surge is arguably starting to show: Violence is down (though obviously not eliminated) in Baghdad, but up in neighboring provinces. But if the surge succeeds in calming Baghdad, it will show that victory *is* possible, if only we commit enough troops.</p>
<p>Where we will get those troops, I have no idea. But that&#8217;s a matter for debate after the surge shows it can work.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-314494</link>
		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rob...Bush has had way too many chances already to prove his incompetence and utter idiocy, and has succeeded at that goal time and time again, in every arena.  

Iraq is an utter failure and disaster, there is nothing America can do to make things better there except leave, and the sooner the better.  

I&#039;m betting the Federalist Society really regrets ramrodding through a &quot;figurehead&quot; president like Bush, because he&#039;s set their agenda for total governmental control by and for the rich by decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rob&#8230;Bush has had way too many chances already to prove his incompetence and utter idiocy, and has succeeded at that goal time and time again, in every arena.  </p>
<p>Iraq is an utter failure and disaster, there is nothing America can do to make things better there except leave, and the sooner the better.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting the Federalist Society really regrets ramrodding through a &#8220;figurehead&#8221; president like Bush, because he&#8217;s set their agenda for total governmental control by and for the rich by decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Lambiris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-313957</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Lambiris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, he&#039;s proved time and time again he&#039;s not fit to run this country (he couldn&#039;t even manage a goddamn baseball team!!).

That&#039;s the problem with most Americans... they are too quick to forget. Remember back in 1988, NO MORE BUllSHit? Until our main-stream media stops distracting us with American Idol and whatever else, this type of thinking that &quot;Bush isn&#039;t that bad&quot; because they forgot all the past events of just last week (forget about 5 years ago) will continue.

Reminds me of the phrase: &quot;If you&#039;re not pissed, you&#039;re not paying attention.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, he&#8217;s proved time and time again he&#8217;s not fit to run this country (he couldn&#8217;t even manage a goddamn baseball team!!).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem with most Americans&#8230; they are too quick to forget. Remember back in 1988, NO MORE BUllSHit? Until our main-stream media stops distracting us with American Idol and whatever else, this type of thinking that &#8220;Bush isn&#8217;t that bad&#8221; because they forgot all the past events of just last week (forget about 5 years ago) will continue.</p>
<p>Reminds me of the phrase: &#8220;If you&#8217;re not pissed, you&#8217;re not paying attention.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-313935</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty good post; except for this:
But if you believe, as I do, that Bush deserves one last chance to show he can win this thing,

Everything he touches falls apart. 

inÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â·comÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â·peÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â·tent    /Ãƒâ€°Ã‚ÂªnÃƒâ€¹Ã‹â€ kÃƒâ€°Ã¢â‚¬â„¢mpÃƒâ€°Ã‚ÂªtÃƒâ€°Ã¢â€žÂ¢nt/
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“adjective
1.	not competent; lacking qualification or ability; incapable: an incompetent candidate. In other words -Bush-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty good post; except for this:<br />
But if you believe, as I do, that Bush deserves one last chance to show he can win this thing,</p>
<p>Everything he touches falls apart. </p>
<p>inÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â·comÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â·peÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â·tent    /Ãƒâ€°Ã‚ÂªnÃƒâ€¹Ã‹â€ kÃƒâ€°Ã¢â‚¬â„¢mpÃƒâ€°Ã‚ÂªtÃƒâ€°Ã¢â€žÂ¢nt/<br />
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“adjective<br />
1.	not competent; lacking qualification or ability; incapable: an incompetent candidate. In other words -Bush-</p>
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		<title>By: pdq</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/04/23/will-nobody-blink/comment-page-1/#comment-313921</link>
		<dc:creator>pdq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do know that October is just the _beginning_ of the proposed redeployment? Even if the Dems got their way entirely, US troops are still in Iraq for at least another _year_. And even then, a significant number of them will stay in the middle east.

This occupation is coming up toward completion of it&#039;s fourth year now, and even with the Dems plan, it will end up at nearly five before it&#039;s done. Isn&#039;t that long enough to see progess?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do know that October is just the _beginning_ of the proposed redeployment? Even if the Dems got their way entirely, US troops are still in Iraq for at least another _year_. And even then, a significant number of them will stay in the middle east.</p>
<p>This occupation is coming up toward completion of it&#8217;s fourth year now, and even with the Dems plan, it will end up at nearly five before it&#8217;s done. Isn&#8217;t that long enough to see progess?</p>
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