Comments on: Michael Ware: Don’t Pull Out Of Iraq

By: DosPeros

DosPeros — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:56:20 +0000

We certainly did not listen to the wisdom of Edmund Burke, “The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please; we ought to see what it will please them to do, before we risk congratulations.” Unfortunately, it seems that liberty has brought Iraq into a Hobsian state with the only civilized regulator being the US military. When we leave it will be a bloodbath – beheadings, dead children and all the other gruesome imagery that comes with the “religion of peace.” If this reaction to liberty was predictable, it was *only* predictable through a truthful (and unPC) analysis of the nature of Islam in the Middle East. The U.S. is left with bad options, because the reactions to liberty is now highly predictable in Iraq, but the Iraqis ultimately chose their fate, not the U.S..

By: Alan Stewart Carl

Alan Stewart Carl — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:27:39 +0000

I really wish I could believe that our withdrawal would suddenly give the good guys in Iraq the will to defeat all the agents of chaos. But that seems like a pretty risky gambit. I would say the chances that everything turns out ok without us in Iraq is not nearly as likely as the chances that Iraq would descend into an anarchic tribal state perfect for terrorist camps. Or Iran could fill our void and stir up a greater regional conflict. Or the militant Islamists could take over because, as with Afghanistan and The Sudan, they provide the kind of heavy-handed stability people long for after years of chaos.

In any case, our withdrawal anytime soon is much more likely to end poorly for our national security interests. By leaving now, we could very likely create a situation that requires us to go back in sometime in the near future.

At this point, we’re left with bad options. The key is not to reach for the worst of those.

By: Jimmy the Dhimmi

Jimmy the Dhimmi — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:50:55 +0000

we unnaturally delay the inevitable showdown between the extermists and the moderate muslim factions…Makes sense to me.

It sounds like you don’t think the outcome of this showdown is relevant to American interests. Or is it just guaranteed in your mind that the “moderate muslim factions” will inevitably win? Who are these “moderate Muslim factions” anyway and why don’t they need our help?

By: DosPeros

DosPeros — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:57:48 +0000

Justin – I agree, but I do warn: the interrogation tactics are going to get far more “creative” when we leave. The Iraqis won’t have to elect a leader, a leader will emerge in the form of a military strong man. He will be the guy that reigns down bloody slaughter on the militias until the only ones left work for him. This may entail limited genocidal rampages through selective neighborhoods.

Yes, our fastidious presence certainly does delay the Muslim way of doing things.

But what about that “real democracy” you waxed so passionately? You haven’t give up I hope.

http://donklephant.com/2007/04/22/torture-in-iraq/