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	<title>Comments on: Looking Glass Liars</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: CoolGlasses</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-422865</link>
		<dc:creator>CoolGlasses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reporter affected to trials (spent all his days in courtrooms) once said one day : I&#039;ve spent my entire life in courtrooms and I can tell you there is no justice in our laws. The system seems to be engineered to help rich people getting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reporter affected to trials (spent all his days in courtrooms) once said one day : I&#8217;ve spent my entire life in courtrooms and I can tell you there is no justice in our laws. The system seems to be engineered to help rich people getting out.</p>
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		<title>By: ed pefferman</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-345010</link>
		<dc:creator>ed pefferman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scooter Libby should be shot as a traitor, not jailed as a lier.  His boss, ElDuce should be shot along with his, or perhaps hung from a lamp post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scooter Libby should be shot as a traitor, not jailed as a lier.  His boss, ElDuce should be shot along with his, or perhaps hung from a lamp post.</p>
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		<title>By: nykrindc</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-344543</link>
		<dc:creator>nykrindc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you on both counts. Bill and Libby both deserved what they got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you on both counts. Bill and Libby both deserved what they got.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-344406</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I never said don&#039;t pardon him. I said I expect him to be pardoned after he has served a year or so as Bush leaves office, and I am fine with that. My issue is with the argument that lack of a proven underlying crime is sufficient cause for a prosecutor to disregard perjury.

Fair question though. 

My thoughts:

The Libby trial followed the proscribed process for a official at his level. He was indicted,  and put on trial by a jury of his peers, where he was found guilty and sentenced. 

I could be wrong about this, but I do not think a sitting President can be indicted and tried except after being removed via the impeachment process first. As such Clinton&#039;s prosecution followed the only proscribed process for an offiical at his level, - impeachment and a trial in the senate, where his offense was not found to rise to the level of &quot;High Crimes and Misdemeanors&quot; sufficiently to convict him and remove him from office.  If he had been removed from office and subsequently convicted in a trial, sure - he should have done some time.  

If Libby and been found not guilty, I would have been good with that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I never said don&#8217;t pardon him. I said I expect him to be pardoned after he has served a year or so as Bush leaves office, and I am fine with that. My issue is with the argument that lack of a proven underlying crime is sufficient cause for a prosecutor to disregard perjury.</p>
<p>Fair question though. </p>
<p>My thoughts:</p>
<p>The Libby trial followed the proscribed process for a official at his level. He was indicted,  and put on trial by a jury of his peers, where he was found guilty and sentenced. </p>
<p>I could be wrong about this, but I do not think a sitting President can be indicted and tried except after being removed via the impeachment process first. As such Clinton&#8217;s prosecution followed the only proscribed process for an offiical at his level, &#8211; impeachment and a trial in the senate, where his offense was not found to rise to the level of &#8220;High Crimes and Misdemeanors&#8221; sufficiently to convict him and remove him from office.  If he had been removed from office and subsequently convicted in a trial, sure &#8211; he should have done some time.  </p>
<p>If Libby and been found not guilty, I would have been good with that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-344356</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Don&#039;t pardon him. You said this though:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The blowjob was also not a crime. Clinton was still impeached for the lie about the blowjob.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do you think Clinton should have been found guilty of perjury, removed from office and put in jail for 10 months?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Don&#8217;t pardon him. You said this though:</p>
<blockquote><p>The blowjob was also not a crime. Clinton was still impeached for the lie about the blowjob.</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you think Clinton should have been found guilty of perjury, removed from office and put in jail for 10 months?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-344264</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE the title of the post. Sums it all up very appropriately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE the title of the post. Sums it all up very appropriately.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-344199</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,
Too true. In the original post on DWSUWF, I called this the partisan hypocrite test. If you supported both prosecutions or opposed both prosecutions, you pass the test. But if you found that one was justified and the other was not ... the diagnosis is obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,<br />
Too true. In the original post on DWSUWF, I called this the partisan hypocrite test. If you supported both prosecutions or opposed both prosecutions, you pass the test. But if you found that one was justified and the other was not &#8230; the diagnosis is obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/06/looking-glass-liars/comment-page-1/#comment-344176</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot-on. Of course, standing behind your own fellow party members isn&#039;t exactly new under the sun. The Dems rallied around Clinton during his investigation/impeachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot-on. Of course, standing behind your own fellow party members isn&#8217;t exactly new under the sun. The Dems rallied around Clinton during his investigation/impeachment.</p>
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