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	<title>Comments on: Will Hillary Clinton&#8217;s Unpopularity Among Liberals Hurt or Help Her?</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/06/23/will-hillary-clintons-unpopularity-among-liberals-hurt-or-help-her/comment-page-1/#comment-360583</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush (and his owners) are directly responsible for all servicemen deaths, as well as the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and the millions displaced since this war began.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I suppose then, that the members of Islam&#039;s religious-right who have been pulling the triggers, detonating the bombs, and setting up the IEDs, are not responsible for their own actions; somehow, like Arab insects, they were stimulated by president Bush and therefore cannot be blamed.  If the terrorists were white evangelical Christians or Jews, would you feel the same way?
&lt;blockquote&gt;It is also not the fault of the military, but the commander in chief&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Why not?  If the &quot;hundreds of thousands&quot; of Iraqi civilian deaths were directly caused by illegal American military action - The Nuremburg trials set a precident that junior officers, NCOs, staff seargents and other low ranking personell cannot abrogate responsibility for war crimes to their higher officers.  

Someone flies the F-18s to drop the bombs.  Someone fires the tank shells into the civilian neighborhhods.  Someone rounds up prisoners and throws them into the &quot;gulags.&quot;  Nazi troops in WWII were not allowed to defer responsibility when they directly targeted innocents for execution in the ghettos and the death camps.

I suppose its the same thinking that leads you to believe Bush and his &quot;owners&quot; are the only people who have any moral culpability for any and all actions in the world.</description>
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<p>I suppose then, that the members of Islam&#8217;s religious-right who have been pulling the triggers, detonating the bombs, and setting up the IEDs, are not responsible for their own actions; somehow, like Arab insects, they were stimulated by president Bush and therefore cannot be blamed.  If the terrorists were white evangelical Christians or Jews, would you feel the same way?</p>
<blockquote><p>It is also not the fault of the military, but the commander in chief</p></blockquote>
<p>Why not?  If the &#8220;hundreds of thousands&#8221; of Iraqi civilian deaths were directly caused by illegal American military action &#8211; The Nuremburg trials set a precident that junior officers, NCOs, staff seargents and other low ranking personell cannot abrogate responsibility for war crimes to their higher officers.  </p>
<p>Someone flies the F-18s to drop the bombs.  Someone fires the tank shells into the civilian neighborhhods.  Someone rounds up prisoners and throws them into the &#8220;gulags.&#8221;  Nazi troops in WWII were not allowed to defer responsibility when they directly targeted innocents for execution in the ghettos and the death camps.</p>
<p>I suppose its the same thinking that leads you to believe Bush and his &#8220;owners&#8221; are the only people who have any moral culpability for any and all actions in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: sleipner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sleipner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether we want the military to win or not, the fact is that they have NOT succeeded, or even come close to anything one could construe as a marginally positive result.  It is also not the fault of the military, but the commander in chief, who has time and time again gone against the advice of a majority of his generals to ensure defeat in Iraq, or replaced the ones who disagree with him with yes-men with no principles.  Bush (and his owners) are directly responsible for all servicemen deaths, as well as the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and the millions displaced since this war began.

In other news, I really hope Hillary is not the eventual candidate, because I do not think she can win a general election (and she has been pandering far too much to the right, in a far too calculated manner).  

Of course I&#039;m still hoping Gore runs, and barring that, would go for an Edwards/Obama ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether we want the military to win or not, the fact is that they have NOT succeeded, or even come close to anything one could construe as a marginally positive result.  It is also not the fault of the military, but the commander in chief, who has time and time again gone against the advice of a majority of his generals to ensure defeat in Iraq, or replaced the ones who disagree with him with yes-men with no principles.  Bush (and his owners) are directly responsible for all servicemen deaths, as well as the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and the millions displaced since this war began.</p>
<p>In other news, I really hope Hillary is not the eventual candidate, because I do not think she can win a general election (and she has been pandering far too much to the right, in a far too calculated manner).  </p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m still hoping Gore runs, and barring that, would go for an Edwards/Obama ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how people booed her for proclaiming that the U.S. was successful in Iraq.  God forbid that happens; we wouldn&#039;t want the American military to actually succeed at anything, would we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how people booed her for proclaiming that the U.S. was successful in Iraq.  God forbid that happens; we wouldn&#8217;t want the American military to actually succeed at anything, would we?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now after reading this, how can ANYONE say she &quot;panders&quot; to her crowds? She isn&#039;t even pandering to her base!
Gotta love her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now after reading this, how can ANYONE say she &#8220;panders&#8221; to her crowds? She isn&#8217;t even pandering to her base!<br />
Gotta love her!</p>
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		<title>By: Center of Attention &#187; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Center of Attention &#187; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Donklephant questions if Hillary&#8217;s unpopularity among liberals will help or hurt her. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can make a valid argument that the Iraqi people have blown it by not putting aside the past and working to a unified Iraq. The Sunnis did stay out of the first election and are regretting it now.  Yes the lack of troops certainly did contribute to the extremists gaining a foothold but the bottom line is that they found plenty of support in the general population, at least initially. Now things are changing, the tribal leaders are angry over Al Qeada challenging their traditional place in running things, and the militias are no longer seen as being benevolent protectors. Will this change translate into a decrease in violence? I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t know, but to put the entire blame on the US ignores the responsibility of the people of Iraq to take charge of their own destiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can make a valid argument that the Iraqi people have blown it by not putting aside the past and working to a unified Iraq. The Sunnis did stay out of the first election and are regretting it now.  Yes the lack of troops certainly did contribute to the extremists gaining a foothold but the bottom line is that they found plenty of support in the general population, at least initially. Now things are changing, the tribal leaders are angry over Al Qeada challenging their traditional place in running things, and the militias are no longer seen as being benevolent protectors. Will this change translate into a decrease in violence? I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t know, but to put the entire blame on the US ignores the responsibility of the people of Iraq to take charge of their own destiny.</p>
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