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	<title>Comments on: Meanwhile, In The Real World.</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/07/21/meanwhile-in-the-real-world/comment-page-1/#comment-378618</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main things to be done immediately is to reduce &quot;costs&quot; -- by changing the reconstruction from grant aid into LOANS.  The US should have a program of helping Iraqi cities, mostly, revise their tax collection policies and borrow (US &amp; other) money for the reconstruction that the city leaders want.

Along with that, all bids, tenders, and in-process work should be done with full transparency and with all documents available in Arabic (and translated to English?) on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main things to be done immediately is to reduce &#8220;costs&#8221; &#8212; by changing the reconstruction from grant aid into LOANS.  The US should have a program of helping Iraqi cities, mostly, revise their tax collection policies and borrow (US &amp; other) money for the reconstruction that the city leaders want.</p>
<p>Along with that, all bids, tenders, and in-process work should be done with full transparency and with all documents available in Arabic (and translated to English?) on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker Pfost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker Pfost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just marched in...we can just march out. The United States government exists for the United States. That&#039;s why we call it, &quot;The United States government.&quot; We should not (and financially &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt;not) police the world, politically or morally. We should take the advice of the founding fathers and let other nations do as they will, so long as they don&#039;t harm us.

How could this come to pass in the real world? 

If Ron Paul were elected president, he could (and would) use his authority as commander-in-chief to immediately withdraw, gaining us not only the favor of the Muslim (or at least the Shia) world, but also saving us hundreds of billions of dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just marched in&#8230;we can just march out. The United States government exists for the United States. That&#8217;s why we call it, &#8220;The United States government.&#8221; We should not (and financially <i>can</i>not) police the world, politically or morally. We should take the advice of the founding fathers and let other nations do as they will, so long as they don&#8217;t harm us.</p>
<p>How could this come to pass in the real world? </p>
<p>If Ron Paul were elected president, he could (and would) use his authority as commander-in-chief to immediately withdraw, gaining us not only the favor of the Muslim (or at least the Shia) world, but also saving us hundreds of billions of dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/07/21/meanwhile-in-the-real-world/comment-page-1/#comment-374390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related note, we seem to have approached another &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Grim Milestone.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note, we seem to have approached another <a href='http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg' rel="nofollow">Grim Milestone.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Center of Attention &#187; The Moderate Voice</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/07/21/meanwhile-in-the-real-world/comment-page-1/#comment-374227</link>
		<dc:creator>Center of Attention &#187; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At Donklephant, Sideways wants some accountability from those who propose &#8220;fantasy solutions&#8221; for Iraq. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At Donklephant, Sideways wants some accountability from those who propose &#8220;fantasy solutions&#8221; for Iraq. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/07/21/meanwhile-in-the-real-world/comment-page-1/#comment-373877</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. All we can do now is deal with today&#039;s reality and face our very limited choices squarely. We are not able to provide a level of security that is adequate for any semblance of normal life in Baghdad. This state is not going to be acceptable to Iraqis indefinitely.  We cannot stay there indefinitely. They live there, we don&#039;t.  At some point they&#039;ll be there and we won&#039;t.  The Iraqis, both friend and foe know this. Knowing this, they will and are positioned to reach for any security arrangement that will fill the gap we created, as well as try to further their sectarian ambitions for power. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://westanddivided.blogspot.com/2007/05/end-game-face-of-victory-in-iraq.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My best guess is the end state is a Moqtada al-Sadr led Iraq. &lt;/a&gt;I hate the idea, but he is wildly popular with the majority Shia, he has an army, and like any good politician he will promise whatever the Iraqi people want to hear. In this case - the promise is a semblance of security in an Iraq free of American occupiers. Make no mistake - that is exactly what a majority of Iraqi&#039;s want, and that is what al-Sadr is offering. I don&#039;t know if he can deliver. No one does. The Iraqi&#039;s don&#039;t know that he can deliver or how much blood will be shed in getting there from here. But they do know now that we cannot deliver a peaceful safe Baghdad for them. 

If this is right, and al-Sadr is the end-game, the only question is how and when we get there. At some point we will have to take the risk that things will not get appreciably worse when we leave. We could be wrong, but it is inevitable that we will have to take that risk at some point. It is only a question of when. If we had other, more competent leadership, we might be able manage a transition in Iraq with at least a facade of democracy in place and a minimum of additional bloodshed. With this administration, we are likely to see nothing but an objective of not letting al-Sadr take over on their watch, and pushing the problem over the horizon to the next administration, at enormous additional cost to our treasury, our military, our standing in the world, and an even greater cost to the Iraqi people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. All we can do now is deal with today&#8217;s reality and face our very limited choices squarely. We are not able to provide a level of security that is adequate for any semblance of normal life in Baghdad. This state is not going to be acceptable to Iraqis indefinitely.  We cannot stay there indefinitely. They live there, we don&#8217;t.  At some point they&#8217;ll be there and we won&#8217;t.  The Iraqis, both friend and foe know this. Knowing this, they will and are positioned to reach for any security arrangement that will fill the gap we created, as well as try to further their sectarian ambitions for power. </p>
<p><a href="http://westanddivided.blogspot.com/2007/05/end-game-face-of-victory-in-iraq.html" rel="nofollow">My best guess is the end state is a Moqtada al-Sadr led Iraq. </a>I hate the idea, but he is wildly popular with the majority Shia, he has an army, and like any good politician he will promise whatever the Iraqi people want to hear. In this case &#8211; the promise is a semblance of security in an Iraq free of American occupiers. Make no mistake &#8211; that is exactly what a majority of Iraqi&#8217;s want, and that is what al-Sadr is offering. I don&#8217;t know if he can deliver. No one does. The Iraqi&#8217;s don&#8217;t know that he can deliver or how much blood will be shed in getting there from here. But they do know now that we cannot deliver a peaceful safe Baghdad for them. </p>
<p>If this is right, and al-Sadr is the end-game, the only question is how and when we get there. At some point we will have to take the risk that things will not get appreciably worse when we leave. We could be wrong, but it is inevitable that we will have to take that risk at some point. It is only a question of when. If we had other, more competent leadership, we might be able manage a transition in Iraq with at least a facade of democracy in place and a minimum of additional bloodshed. With this administration, we are likely to see nothing but an objective of not letting al-Sadr take over on their watch, and pushing the problem over the horizon to the next administration, at enormous additional cost to our treasury, our military, our standing in the world, and an even greater cost to the Iraqi people.</p>
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