Comments on: Ron Paul Realism: Question 2 of 7 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:02:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Donklephant » Blog Archive » Ron Paul Realism: Question 4 of 7 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380998 Donklephant » Blog Archive » Ron Paul Realism: Question 4 of 7 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:41:34 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380998 [...] questions I recieved from Ron Paul supporters. If you’d like, read the answers to questions 1,2 and 3 before you read about [...] [...] questions I recieved from Ron Paul supporters. If you’d like, read the answers to questions 1,2 and 3 before you read about [...]

]]> By: HOTI Dave http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380966 HOTI Dave Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:30:14 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380966 I'm not sure where this idea that Ron Paul supports coercive new laws to enforce "net neutrality" comes from, but it seems to come up every so often. I have no opinion on Mr. Paul's candidacy, but I work for Hands Off the Internet on the subject of net neutrality, and I'm pretty familiar with this. He's a pretty consistent libertarian in opposing federal regulation, and that includes regulations of the Internet like net neutrality would amount to. But you don't have to take my word for it, see this CNet article: http://urltea.com/1a4b I’m not sure where this idea that Ron Paul supports coercive new laws to enforce “net neutrality” comes from, but it seems to come up every so often.

I have no opinion on Mr. Paul’s candidacy, but I work for Hands Off the Internet on the subject of net neutrality, and I’m pretty familiar with this. He’s a pretty consistent libertarian in opposing federal regulation, and that includes regulations of the Internet like net neutrality would amount to.

But you don’t have to take my word for it, see this CNet article: http://urltea.com/1a4b

]]> By: Jason http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380942 Jason Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:16:19 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380942 It's interesting how no one has mentioned the Diebold machines used in the Straw Poll or the fact that Romney joked about stealing votes. <a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_iowa_straw_poll_evidence_suggest_paul_was_cheated.htm" rel="nofollow">Evidence Suggests Ron Paul was Cheated</a> It’s interesting how no one has mentioned the Diebold machines used in the Straw Poll or the fact that Romney joked about stealing votes. Evidence Suggests Ron Paul was Cheated

]]> By: James Bowery http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380933 James Bowery Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:20:56 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380933 <i>if Tom Tancredo has less money</i> Are you <i>really</i> so stupid as to equate money left after a campaign with money spent in the campaign? Why does it not surprise me you are among Google's news sources? if Tom Tancredo has less money

Are you really so stupid as to equate money left after a campaign with money spent in the campaign?

Why does it not surprise me you are among Google’s news sources?

]]> By: bret http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380932 bret Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:01:28 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380932 Straw polls are meaningless except for the fact that they show the GOP is functionally dead in the water. This allows new blood to show up, take over, and make statements. Iowa was an exception, being a well-publicized event, so it attracted a lot of cash and a lot of attention. You can see that in the non-publicized events, which are essentially the EXACT SAME DEAL, FUNDRAISERS for the state/local GOP, Ron Paul romps. Bigtime. Why is that? Support. Plain and simple, support. You can cite all the phone polls you want, but it's obvious, when you ask people who actually care to investigate for themselves, they overwhelmingly support Paul over any other GOP candidate. That is far more important than a bunch of folks who are far less likely to actually get out and vote on election day. Paul wins by a landslide in 2008. Straw polls are meaningless except for the fact that they show the GOP is functionally dead in the water. This allows new blood to show up, take over, and make statements. Iowa was an exception, being a well-publicized event, so it attracted a lot of cash and a lot of attention. You can see that in the non-publicized events, which are essentially the EXACT SAME DEAL, FUNDRAISERS for the state/local GOP, Ron Paul romps. Bigtime. Why is that? Support. Plain and simple, support. You can cite all the phone polls you want, but it’s obvious, when you ask people who actually care to investigate for themselves, they overwhelmingly support Paul over any other GOP candidate. That is far more important than a bunch of folks who are far less likely to actually get out and vote on election day.

Paul wins by a landslide in 2008.

]]> By: Seven Questions for Ron Paul Supporters: Part II « The Van Der Galiën Gazette http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380931 Seven Questions for Ron Paul Supporters: Part II « The Van Der Galiën Gazette Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:42:05 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380931 [...] 20th, 2007 by Michael van der Galiën Justin Gardner published the second set of answers to his questions to Ron Paul supporters. Once again I encourage you to head on over to his blog, to [...] [...] 20th, 2007 by Michael van der Galiën Justin Gardner published the second set of answers to his questions to Ron Paul supporters. Once again I encourage you to head on over to his blog, to [...]

]]> By: Jason V http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380925 Jason V Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:57:34 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380925 Look at the Alabama straw poll or the latest NH one.. these polls mean little just as the polls the MSM tout don't amount to squat. Ron won those polls in AL and NH so what to make of that?? Look at the Alabama straw poll or the latest NH one.. these polls mean little just as the polls the MSM tout don’t amount to squat. Ron won those polls in AL and NH so what to make of that??

]]> By: Micah Nelson http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380921 Micah Nelson Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:31:43 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380921 As Rachel Mills said, Dr. NO will become President Veto. It will force congress to pass constitutional legislation, or no legislation at all. Bottlenecks aren't a bad thing if it prevents the expansion of government, unbalanced budgets, or corporate bailouts. It will reduce the power of lobbyists in DC. Why would someone donate money to a political campaign for personal interests if they know their measures will only end up being vetoed by the executive. It will embolden representatives who would ordinarily be for freedom and liberty, but feel obligated to vote the party line for the sake of loyalty. As Rachel Mills said, Dr. NO will become President Veto.

It will force congress to pass constitutional legislation, or no legislation at all. Bottlenecks aren’t a bad thing if it prevents the expansion of government, unbalanced budgets, or corporate bailouts.

It will reduce the power of lobbyists in DC. Why would someone donate money to a political campaign for personal interests if they know their measures will only end up being vetoed by the executive.

It will embolden representatives who would ordinarily be for freedom and liberty, but feel obligated to vote the party line for the sake of loyalty.

]]> By: Kevin Houston http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380915 Kevin Houston Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:28:12 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380915 First, Tom Tancredo also had a good showing in Iowa. For either candidate to go from a supposed nothing to 10% range is good. I think the real story here is how stunningly poor predictors the pre-straw poll telephone surveys were. Huckabee and McCain were neck and neck in the telephone surveys at 8%. But look where they finished in the straw poll. The telephone surveys didn't even hit within their own margins of error. Why anyone gives them the time of day is beyond me. Ron's showing in Iowa (and Tom's, Sam's and Mike's) were all "good" in that it showed these campaigns can mobilize and organize. First, Tom Tancredo also had a good showing in Iowa. For either candidate to go from a supposed nothing to 10% range is good.

I think the real story here is how stunningly poor predictors the pre-straw poll telephone surveys were. Huckabee and McCain were neck and neck in the telephone surveys at 8%. But look where they finished in the straw poll.

The telephone surveys didn’t even hit within their own margins of error.

Why anyone gives them the time of day is beyond me.

Ron’s showing in Iowa (and Tom’s, Sam’s and Mike’s) were all “good” in that it showed these campaigns can mobilize and organize.

]]> By: Tom Grey http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380912 Tom Grey Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:50:43 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380912 Hi Justin, glad you're promoting Ron Paul -- basically the only Republican against the Iraq war. In fact, pretty much against US involvement in all foreign wars ... sort of like Washington, against entangling foreign alliances... Why not let Ron Paul discuss his Iowa showing? From his site (which you link): <i>"In Iowa, we took some good steps forward in our race. Considering the converts we made, the organization we brought forth, and the amount of money we spent as compared to the others, we are on the right trajectory."</i> Pro-life anti-war Republicans can vote for Ron Paul, and increasingly will. I'd guess Tancredo drops soon and Brownback (for Huckabee). Will Fred really run? He doesn't have the "fire in his belly", but maybe that's OK. Ron Paul is the only Rep against the Iraq War -- so how many Reps are against the war? I'd guess no more than 20%... Hi Justin, glad you’re promoting Ron Paul — basically the only Republican against the Iraq war. In fact, pretty much against US involvement in all foreign wars … sort of like Washington, against entangling foreign alliances…

Why not let Ron Paul discuss his Iowa showing? From his site (which you link):
“In Iowa, we took some good steps forward in our race. Considering the converts we made, the organization we brought forth, and the amount of money we spent as compared to the others, we are on the right trajectory.”

Pro-life anti-war Republicans can vote for Ron Paul, and increasingly will. I’d guess Tancredo drops soon and Brownback (for Huckabee). Will Fred really run? He doesn’t have the “fire in his belly”, but maybe that’s OK.

Ron Paul is the only Rep against the Iraq War — so how many Reps are against the war? I’d guess no more than 20%…

]]> By: s.w. http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380909 s.w. Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:55:23 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380909 Being an effective president requires political skill, personal vitality, a good staff, public support -- AND get-real policies! Any success Dr. Paul might have in slowing or even reversing our national decline would be amazing. He will make mistakes, but his general direction would be positive. Complication is the same thing as attachment -- for example, attachment to power. Simplicity is good. Expect a lot of furious opposition. Being an effective president requires political skill, personal vitality, a good staff, public support — AND get-real policies! Any success Dr. Paul might have in slowing or even reversing our national decline would be amazing. He will make mistakes, but his general direction would be positive. Complication is the same thing as attachment — for example, attachment to power. Simplicity is good. Expect a lot of furious opposition.

]]> By: kingrnu http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380907 kingrnu Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:41:17 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380907 Hello Friends, Why waste our time answering some stupid questions when the only people who benefit are the owner of this website. I think the time could be better spent working on door to door canvasing for Ron Pul Good Luck!!! Regards, Suresh Hello Friends,

Why waste our time answering some stupid questions when the only people who benefit are the owner of this website. I think the time could be better spent working on door to door canvasing for Ron Pul

Good Luck!!!

Regards,
Suresh

]]> By: Jeremy http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380906 Jeremy Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:16:59 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380906 Iowa is a huge farming state. Ron Paul is against Federal Gov't Subsidies, even for farmers. The fed gov would rather subsudize industry in US that could produce product for much cheaper overseas, then we end up paying more because American farmers want X amount of dollars for the corn they produce. That's big government interfering with the "free market economy" we're supposed to have. Example: turn of the century New York City- Taxi's were just brought onto the scene, which is great, but guess what? Now we have 5000 (or however many) guys whose job WAS to scoop up horse shit on the streets, who now, because of technological advances, are out of work. If this happened today, the fed gov would probably subsidize them, instead of making them adapt (the one big thing that separates us from monkeys) and aquire a new skill set. How does this applt today? Farmners should aquire new skill sets, then we can get much cheaper corn from mexico and africa, but, since the gov insists on babying lazy americans who can't compete by subsidizing their obsolete skill sets, we'll continue to pay more and more. No more subsidies=lower taxes=I can pay a little more for corn=farmer still able to farm, just forced to be more efficient....I mean c'mon, if I couldn't pay the bills with my job, what do you think I'd have to do? If you said "find a new job", you'd be right. I know that I went off on a tangent there, incorporating my own personal beliefs, but, hey, I think he's right. Iowa is a huge farming state. Ron Paul is against Federal Gov’t Subsidies, even for farmers. The fed gov would rather subsudize industry in US that could produce product for much cheaper overseas, then we end up paying more because American farmers want X amount of dollars for the corn they produce. That’s big government interfering with the “free market economy” we’re supposed to have. Example: turn of the century New York City- Taxi’s were just brought onto the scene, which is great, but guess what? Now we have 5000 (or however many) guys whose job WAS to scoop up horse shit on the streets, who now, because of technological advances, are out of work. If this happened today, the fed gov would probably subsidize them, instead of making them adapt (the one big thing that separates us from monkeys) and aquire a new skill set.
How does this applt today? Farmners should aquire new skill sets, then we can get much cheaper corn from mexico and africa, but, since the gov insists on babying lazy americans who can’t compete by subsidizing their obsolete skill sets, we’ll continue to pay more and more.
No more subsidies=lower taxes=I can pay a little more for corn=farmer still able to farm, just forced to be more efficient….I mean c’mon, if I couldn’t pay the bills with my job, what do you think I’d have to do? If you said “find a new job”, you’d be right.
I know that I went off on a tangent there, incorporating my own personal beliefs, but, hey, I think he’s right.

]]> By: Kyle http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380904 Kyle Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:33:25 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380904 I concur with what tim says. most of the Tancredo people at Ames I met were receptive to RP. as to why Tancredo did better than Paul, it exclusively has to do with bussing the people in. I was one of the RP 'bus greeters' and the folks getting off the Tancredo buses were quite open to my message. one older gentleman even said 'oh yeah I love Ron, I was buying gold from him 20 years ago.' for these folks RP will be their second choice. in terms of absolute numbers this doen't mean much of course, but in terms of people that'll show up for stuff like straw polls and caucuses it's fairly positive. I concur with what tim says. most of the Tancredo people at Ames I met were receptive to RP. as to why Tancredo did better than Paul, it exclusively has to do with bussing the people in. I was one of the RP ‘bus greeters’ and the folks getting off the Tancredo buses were quite open to my message. one older gentleman even said ‘oh yeah I love Ron, I was buying gold from him 20 years ago.’ for these folks RP will be their second choice. in terms of absolute numbers this doen’t mean much of course, but in terms of people that’ll show up for stuff like straw polls and caucuses it’s fairly positive.

]]> By: tim http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380901 tim Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:09:59 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/08/19/ron-paul-realism-question-2-of-7/#comment-380901 Every Tancredo-supporter I meet when I am out educating people about Ron Paul say that they will vote for Ron Paul if Tancredo drops out. Fortunately for Ron Paul, TX allows him to run for President and Congress. Colorado does not, so Tancredo will have to decide which to pursue. Every Tancredo-supporter I meet when I am out educating people about Ron Paul say that they will vote for Ron Paul if Tancredo drops out. Fortunately for Ron Paul, TX allows him to run for President and Congress. Colorado does not, so Tancredo will have to decide which to pursue.

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