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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul Realism: Question 4 of 7</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8220;Ron Paul Realism&#8221; Posts</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381465</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8220;Ron Paul Realism&#8221; Posts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, in a time where we need unity, do you think Paul’s “Dr. No” way of politics will actuall... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dale Bustad</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381260</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Bustad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin.  I'm with James Maynard on this one.  In the minutes of a 1939 Nazi meeting, Hitler was quoted as saying the following.

"The period which lies behind us has indeed been put to good use. All measures have been taken in the correct sequence and in harmony with our aims. After six years, the situation is today as follows: The national-political unity of the Germans has been achieved apart from minor exceptions. "

Clearly (at least to me), unity, in and of itself, is not a laudable goal.  I think, rather, we should focus on whether he (Ron Paul) is right instead of how the ideas would be received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin.  I&#8217;m with James Maynard on this one.  In the minutes of a 1939 Nazi meeting, Hitler was quoted as saying the following.</p>
<p>&#8220;The period which lies behind us has indeed been put to good use. All measures have been taken in the correct sequence and in harmony with our aims. After six years, the situation is today as follows: The national-political unity of the Germans has been achieved apart from minor exceptions. &#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly (at least to me), unity, in and of itself, is not a laudable goal.  I think, rather, we should focus on whether he (Ron Paul) is right instead of how the ideas would be received.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381215</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim writes:

Assume, for a second, that Ron Paul is elected president and that he continues his policy of voting against every bill presented to him that does not conform with his view of the Constitution. What would happen?

The only way for Congress to pass a bill would be with a supermajority, and unless one party gets a supermajority of both houses (that’s not going to happen), the government would be completely stalled if the GOP and Democrats were not working together to compromise on bills that would pass by a two thirds margin. 

He then asks, "How’s that for unity?"

The question should be, "How is that a bad deal?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim writes:</p>
<p>Assume, for a second, that Ron Paul is elected president and that he continues his policy of voting against every bill presented to him that does not conform with his view of the Constitution. What would happen?</p>
<p>The only way for Congress to pass a bill would be with a supermajority, and unless one party gets a supermajority of both houses (that’s not going to happen), the government would be completely stalled if the GOP and Democrats were not working together to compromise on bills that would pass by a two thirds margin. </p>
<p>He then asks, &#8220;How’s that for unity?&#8221;</p>
<p>The question should be, &#8220;How is that a bad deal?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381145</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am squarely with the Paulonians here. 

Unity is seriously over-rated. 

Some recent evidence from author and economist Stephen Slivinski &lt;a href="http://www.slivinski.org/?p=12#comment-141" rel="nofollow"&gt;in support of divided government as a desireable state&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am squarely with the Paulonians here. </p>
<p>Unity is seriously over-rated. </p>
<p>Some recent evidence from author and economist Stephen Slivinski <a href="http://www.slivinski.org/?p=12#comment-141" rel="nofollow">in support of divided government as a desireable state</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bowery</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381086</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bowery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is a “unifer” only in the sense that government supported rape is a “unifier”.  If you think a woman should sexually accept a man and that the only reason she doesn’t is that she hates him, the solution to her hate is not to hold her down while he rapes her.

In the new Declaration of Independence, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 should top the enumerated offenses of the tyranny. 

And, yes, inter-racial hatred is increases every day that the government forces integration, especially exacerbated by open borders, on the people.

The rape is going to stop.  The only question is whether it will be stopped by the resulting decay of the civilization enabling it, or whether civilization will be stopped from further enabling it.  Certainly the rapists like Donklephant, would prefer the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is a “unifer” only in the sense that government supported rape is a “unifier”.  If you think a woman should sexually accept a man and that the only reason she doesn’t is that she hates him, the solution to her hate is not to hold her down while he rapes her.</p>
<p>In the new Declaration of Independence, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 should top the enumerated offenses of the tyranny. </p>
<p>And, yes, inter-racial hatred is increases every day that the government forces integration, especially exacerbated by open borders, on the people.</p>
<p>The rape is going to stop.  The only question is whether it will be stopped by the resulting decay of the civilization enabling it, or whether civilization will be stopped from further enabling it.  Certainly the rapists like Donklephant, would prefer the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Holland</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381054</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you agree with Ron Paul please sign the petition to Abolish the Federal Reserve. 

Now in August 2007, the world financial systems and investment markets, real estate and the availability of credit are all under direct assault due to past actions of the Federal Reserve in the United States. 

Read and sign the Ron Paul Is Right – Abolish the Federal Reserve Petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/fed/petition.html  

Please link to the petition and forward this message to your friends and help the general public wake up during the current financial panic conditions to the problems we face from the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul’s solution.

Also read comments from hundreds of signers who aren't shy in saying what they think of the FED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you agree with Ron Paul please sign the petition to Abolish the Federal Reserve. </p>
<p>Now in August 2007, the world financial systems and investment markets, real estate and the availability of credit are all under direct assault due to past actions of the Federal Reserve in the United States. </p>
<p>Read and sign the Ron Paul Is Right – Abolish the Federal Reserve Petition at <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/fed/petition.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/fed/petition.html</a>  </p>
<p>Please link to the petition and forward this message to your friends and help the general public wake up during the current financial panic conditions to the problems we face from the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul’s solution.</p>
<p>Also read comments from hundreds of signers who aren&#8217;t shy in saying what they think of the FED.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Rabalais</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381053</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Rabalais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The freedom message brings us together, it doesn't divide us."

- Ron Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The freedom message brings us together, it doesn&#8217;t divide us.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Ron Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381045</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assume, for a second, that Ron Paul is elected president and that he continues his policy of voting against every bill presented to him that does not conform with his view of the Constitution.  What would happen?

The only way for Congress to pass a bill would be with a supermajority, and unless one party gets a supermajority of both houses (that's not going to happen), the government would be completely stalled if the GOP and Democrats were not working together to compromise on bills that would pass by a two thirds margin.  How's that for unity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assume, for a second, that Ron Paul is elected president and that he continues his policy of voting against every bill presented to him that does not conform with his view of the Constitution.  What would happen?</p>
<p>The only way for Congress to pass a bill would be with a supermajority, and unless one party gets a supermajority of both houses (that&#8217;s not going to happen), the government would be completely stalled if the GOP and Democrats were not working together to compromise on bills that would pass by a two thirds margin.  How&#8217;s that for unity?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381040</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears as though the recollections of the GOP platform are horribly distorted.  Ron Paul may have differences with the current party, but that embodiment has only been around in the last few years.  

It is like the statement republicans are pro-war - this is only believed by people with no grasp of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears as though the recollections of the GOP platform are horribly distorted.  Ron Paul may have differences with the current party, but that embodiment has only been around in the last few years.  </p>
<p>It is like the statement republicans are pro-war - this is only believed by people with no grasp of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381038</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the current and former Presidents have often been accused of divisiveness. It occurs to me that that may not be their fault - the nation may simply be so culturally and socially fragmented today that it is beyond reclaiming whatever semblance of unity it may have once had.

If that's what we're trying to accomplish, it's a fool's crusade. But if our goals are a little more modest, it's a much different story. An alternative to the two tired old major parties doesn't have to get the whole country united behind it - just enough to light a fire underneath the major parties' butts. Then, whether that fire wakes up the major parties or consumes them will be all up to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the current and former Presidents have often been accused of divisiveness. It occurs to me that that may not be their fault - the nation may simply be so culturally and socially fragmented today that it is beyond reclaiming whatever semblance of unity it may have once had.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to accomplish, it&#8217;s a fool&#8217;s crusade. But if our goals are a little more modest, it&#8217;s a much different story. An alternative to the two tired old major parties doesn&#8217;t have to get the whole country united behind it - just enough to light a fire underneath the major parties&#8217; butts. Then, whether that fire wakes up the major parties or consumes them will be all up to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McPond</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381037</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan McPond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with you, that winning the GOP nomination is not a likely scenario, it´s also far from impossible. Key prerequisites would include a low overall turnout in the primaries (not that far fetched if you look at how little real enthusiasm there is for the current frontrunners) with a still relatively intact large field of candidates (say Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, Paul, Thompson if he finally declares and maybe even one additional low-tierer who manages to hold on until then (McCain is done imho)).
The resulting split vote could lead to narrow pluralities for a motivated combination of the reawakend Goldwater wing of the party and the influx of young new primary voters (Rs as well as switching Ds and Is) attracted to the Paul campaign. "Super-Tuesday" could even be positive in this scenario because there would be little prior warning, that would lead to some candidates being "convinced" to drop out by the party establishment, after two or three such outcomes in a more drawn out primary season.

Even if it weren´t sufficient for a win there will undoubtedly be some good results (a win in New Hampshire isn´t unrealistic at all) that will provide a basis for a third party run AFTER!! the GOP primaries. 
And I absolutely agree that he should run a third party "ideology campaign" in this case. Indeed he won´t have any choice regardless what he says now, because his supporters won´t let him off the hook that easily ;-).
But until the primary results are in he has to fully concentrate on the GOP race and getting every opportunity for publicity out of it (debates etc.). And fortunately I think he can, because he doesn´t have to worry about the preparation for a subsequent independent run;  the nomination of the Libertarian or the Constitution Party with coresponding ballot access is his for the taking. (Hey, we might even see a double nomination *g*.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with you, that winning the GOP nomination is not a likely scenario, it´s also far from impossible. Key prerequisites would include a low overall turnout in the primaries (not that far fetched if you look at how little real enthusiasm there is for the current frontrunners) with a still relatively intact large field of candidates (say Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, Paul, Thompson if he finally declares and maybe even one additional low-tierer who manages to hold on until then (McCain is done imho)).<br />
The resulting split vote could lead to narrow pluralities for a motivated combination of the reawakend Goldwater wing of the party and the influx of young new primary voters (Rs as well as switching Ds and Is) attracted to the Paul campaign. &#8220;Super-Tuesday&#8221; could even be positive in this scenario because there would be little prior warning, that would lead to some candidates being &#8220;convinced&#8221; to drop out by the party establishment, after two or three such outcomes in a more drawn out primary season.</p>
<p>Even if it weren´t sufficient for a win there will undoubtedly be some good results (a win in New Hampshire isn´t unrealistic at all) that will provide a basis for a third party run AFTER!! the GOP primaries.<br />
And I absolutely agree that he should run a third party &#8220;ideology campaign&#8221; in this case. Indeed he won´t have any choice regardless what he says now, because his supporters won´t let him off the hook that easily ;-).<br />
But until the primary results are in he has to fully concentrate on the GOP race and getting every opportunity for publicity out of it (debates etc.). And fortunately I think he can, because he doesn´t have to worry about the preparation for a subsequent independent run;  the nomination of the Libertarian or the Constitution Party with coresponding ballot access is his for the taking. (Hey, we might even see a double nomination *g*.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Howard</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381035</link>
		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect (do not know) that Ron will run on the Libertarian ticket if kept off the Republican War ticket, however it would be wise of him to not admit to any such plan at this time.  Therefore his denial of such a plan at this time is consistant with my impression of him as a very wise fellow freedom fighter.  He does not owe to anyone the revelation of his plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect (do not know) that Ron will run on the Libertarian ticket if kept off the Republican War ticket, however it would be wise of him to not admit to any such plan at this time.  Therefore his denial of such a plan at this time is consistant with my impression of him as a very wise fellow freedom fighter.  He does not owe to anyone the revelation of his plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a Ron Paul Democrat. For the first time in my life I am registering as Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. If he doesn't make it past then primaries then I won't vote at all.

If you want to see proof that he is a unifier, supported by all types of people, just look here:

rally (dot) ronpaulplanet (dot) org/stats.php

and read the people's comments here:

rally (dot) ronpaulplanet (dot) org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Ron Paul Democrat. For the first time in my life I am registering as Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. If he doesn&#8217;t make it past then primaries then I won&#8217;t vote at all.</p>
<p>If you want to see proof that he is a unifier, supported by all types of people, just look here:</p>
<p>rally (dot) ronpaulplanet (dot) org/stats.php</p>
<p>and read the people&#8217;s comments here:</p>
<p>rally (dot) ronpaulplanet (dot) org</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381026</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will always be division in the country.  As the present time, I see this division as being between the people and the federal government.  People are sick and tired of the same old story.  Broken promises, more layers of goovernment and increased government spending that in the end, hurts the very people they are supposedly trying to help.  The middle class.  Ron Paul is uniting people from all sides of the political spectrum.  His challenge when he wins the presidential election in '08 will be in bringing congress into a state of unity with the people.  I believe he is a man who would hold congess responsible for their follies and make the people aware when congress does not act in the best interest of the population at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will always be division in the country.  As the present time, I see this division as being between the people and the federal government.  People are sick and tired of the same old story.  Broken promises, more layers of goovernment and increased government spending that in the end, hurts the very people they are supposedly trying to help.  The middle class.  Ron Paul is uniting people from all sides of the political spectrum.  His challenge when he wins the presidential election in &#8216;08 will be in bringing congress into a state of unity with the people.  I believe he is a man who would hold congess responsible for their follies and make the people aware when congress does not act in the best interest of the population at large.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyB</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381023</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the freedom message brings all together, my guess is the congress would do exactly what the public wanted for once or be gone. Dr. Paul would have an enormous effect on who wins seats and governorships. It may take time but its a start. They would never have waisted a minute on amnesty, the war, bailouts, etc. if Ron was the president. They would do the peoples business not the corporation/special interest business for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the freedom message brings all together, my guess is the congress would do exactly what the public wanted for once or be gone. Dr. Paul would have an enormous effect on who wins seats and governorships. It may take time but its a start. They would never have waisted a minute on amnesty, the war, bailouts, etc. if Ron was the president. They would do the peoples business not the corporation/special interest business for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: TOGOSD</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381022</link>
		<dc:creator>TOGOSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul's support is growing, he may well over take the other GOP's in terms of the republican populous.  

Does that necessarily mean he will get the delegates necessary for the GOP ticket?   

I believe delegates are not legally obligated to vote based on the majority vote of the party, although 99% of the time they do. 

The established republican base, those in power, do not support his positions.

It would be very disturbing, if Ron Paul did get the populous support necessary to be nominated as the republican Presidential Candidate, and the GOP delegates cast there votes to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s support is growing, he may well over take the other GOP&#8217;s in terms of the republican populous.  </p>
<p>Does that necessarily mean he will get the delegates necessary for the GOP ticket?   </p>
<p>I believe delegates are not legally obligated to vote based on the majority vote of the party, although 99% of the time they do. </p>
<p>The established republican base, those in power, do not support his positions.</p>
<p>It would be very disturbing, if Ron Paul did get the populous support necessary to be nominated as the republican Presidential Candidate, and the GOP delegates cast there votes to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: IMissLiberty</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381020</link>
		<dc:creator>IMissLiberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even authoritarians have good reason to want libertarian government at the federal level and authoritarian government close to home where they can control it.  And, if they want to follow another religious Authority or other non-government leader, they may want libertarian government everywhere.

They may also be sick of the cost of having a strong central government.

The fantasy that one could have the perfect governmental authority solve all our problems may be nice, but most people admit they don't trust voters and their elected representatives and government employees to execute it properly, even if they agree on what it should be, which they never will.  

Once you admit that's never going to work, you might as well unify on the idea of letting everyone do what they want within Constitutional (or Creator-endowed) limits, and that is what unifies us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even authoritarians have good reason to want libertarian government at the federal level and authoritarian government close to home where they can control it.  And, if they want to follow another religious Authority or other non-government leader, they may want libertarian government everywhere.</p>
<p>They may also be sick of the cost of having a strong central government.</p>
<p>The fantasy that one could have the perfect governmental authority solve all our problems may be nice, but most people admit they don&#8217;t trust voters and their elected representatives and government employees to execute it properly, even if they agree on what it should be, which they never will.  </p>
<p>Once you admit that&#8217;s never going to work, you might as well unify on the idea of letting everyone do what they want within Constitutional (or Creator-endowed) limits, and that is what unifies us.</p>
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		<title>By: infragreen</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381018</link>
		<dc:creator>infragreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you're so concerned with "unity", look at his campaign support. Just enthusiastic individuals online and off, no MSM, pure grassroots.

NONE of your top tier has that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re so concerned with &#8220;unity&#8221;, look at his campaign support. Just enthusiastic individuals online and off, no MSM, pure grassroots.</p>
<p>NONE of your top tier has that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly American</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381013</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's unity that got us into Iraq.

It's unity that got us into a huge national debt.

It's unity that got us a housing bubble.

It's breaking from the unquestioning unity and standing up for what's right that got us the USA in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unity that got us into Iraq.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unity that got us into a huge national debt.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unity that got us a housing bubble.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s breaking from the unquestioning unity and standing up for what&#8217;s right that got us the USA in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: It All Depends On How You Ask : Hear ItFrom.Us</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381011</link>
		<dc:creator>It All Depends On How You Ask : Hear ItFrom.Us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gardner asks the question: In a time where we need unity, do you think Paul’s “Dr. No” way of politics will actually [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt C</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381010</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, these answers went haywire because you didn't specify "unity *about *what?"

We always need to be unified as much as cognitively possible about how we understand the rules of the society we live in. That's what constitutions and transparent government are for.

We do not *ever need the "you're with us or against us" type of unity that marginalizes and cuts off any criticism -- especially, first and *foremost --  in matters of war.

In both of these respects Ron Paul is a 9 out of 10 and no other candidate is over 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, these answers went haywire because you didn&#8217;t specify &#8220;unity *about *what?&#8221;</p>
<p>We always need to be unified as much as cognitively possible about how we understand the rules of the society we live in. That&#8217;s what constitutions and transparent government are for.</p>
<p>We do not *ever need the &#8220;you&#8217;re with us or against us&#8221; type of unity that marginalizes and cuts off any criticism &#8212; especially, first and *foremost &#8212;  in matters of war.</p>
<p>In both of these respects Ron Paul is a 9 out of 10 and no other candidate is over 5.</p>
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		<title>By: jer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381008</link>
		<dc:creator>jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, then does anybody really think he has a shot at overtaking the GOP?&lt;/i&gt;

We are still 5 months out from the primaries. Polls for the first few months of the campaign don't reflect much more than popularity. Paul's message is receiving an increasing amount of exposure and positive reaction, so a primary win is possible, though difficult.

In the past, I've "thrown away" my vote on Libertarian party candidates. Traditionally, the Libertarian presidential candidates don't run to win that particular election, but run to spread the message of freedom, intending to make a difference in future election cycles.

Ron Paul's campaign will still be a success, even if he does not win the Republican nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, then does anybody really think he has a shot at overtaking the GOP?</i></p>
<p>We are still 5 months out from the primaries. Polls for the first few months of the campaign don&#8217;t reflect much more than popularity. Paul&#8217;s message is receiving an increasing amount of exposure and positive reaction, so a primary win is possible, though difficult.</p>
<p>In the past, I&#8217;ve &#8220;thrown away&#8221; my vote on Libertarian party candidates. Traditionally, the Libertarian presidential candidates don&#8217;t run to win that particular election, but run to spread the message of freedom, intending to make a difference in future election cycles.</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s campaign will still be a success, even if he does not win the Republican nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: gabe harris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381006</link>
		<dc:creator>gabe harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin Gardner, you are right in line with Mao and the Khmer Rouge: unity of the people is a must...bring them together into community farms, concentration camps, mass graves....and if that don't work then lets have a big famine...that will certainly "bring them together"...ok maybe I'm too hard on you, so maybe you are only for "peaceful" means of bringing us together...in this case then your are jsut for the skillful use of propoganda. this show s a pretty f'd up value system to me.

The freedom to pursue happiness means that each of us individuals will seek a different path, do you not have to capability or tolorence of others to accept that someone else might pursue a different individual path? we need teachers, doctors scientist, data analyst, journalists, farmers and a infinite numebr of other people...why do you feel it neccesary to compel people to be the same in some way? its sick

and what man would you trust to give the power to compel all of us to be something we are not naturally?  Your type has given us George W...billary, Guiliani, Nixon, LBJ.....all sickos who have worked to destroy the fabric of this coutnry.

you state lies here:
"I know that many from both sides of the aisle would welcome a party based around those ideas(less government intrusion)."

If you have investigated the presidential debates commission http://www.debates.org/
and if you had ever worked on any third party campaign or investigated on on a national level you'd know that up and down the road to the presidency the dems and repubs have 100% blocked any feasible way, short of a billion dollar campaign, of a thrid party system getting into the televised debates and onto all of the state ballots...In fact I cannot believe that you as a professional political reporter do not know this...after all this has little to do with my profession and my limited experiences in the field and historical knowledge make this truth undeniable.

To pretend otherwise shows you suck as a journalist or you are a shill.

Ron Paul knows these facts and thus he is not about to pass up his present opportunity to appear in 5 or 6 more nationally televised appearances...to do so would be stupid...if you don't understand this then you are either a crappy political analyst or a shill...I have no idea whether or not he will change his mind after all the debates and run as a third party, but to do anything but continue on his current course at this juncture would be political suicide and you surely know this. as it is 65% of the coutnry doesn't vote..if his quickly growning campaign can convince half of this group to vote for him he'd win in a landslide...that may be unliekyl, but it isn't impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin Gardner, you are right in line with Mao and the Khmer Rouge: unity of the people is a must&#8230;bring them together into community farms, concentration camps, mass graves&#8230;.and if that don&#8217;t work then lets have a big famine&#8230;that will certainly &#8220;bring them together&#8221;&#8230;ok maybe I&#8217;m too hard on you, so maybe you are only for &#8220;peaceful&#8221; means of bringing us together&#8230;in this case then your are jsut for the skillful use of propoganda. this show s a pretty f&#8217;d up value system to me.</p>
<p>The freedom to pursue happiness means that each of us individuals will seek a different path, do you not have to capability or tolorence of others to accept that someone else might pursue a different individual path? we need teachers, doctors scientist, data analyst, journalists, farmers and a infinite numebr of other people&#8230;why do you feel it neccesary to compel people to be the same in some way? its sick</p>
<p>and what man would you trust to give the power to compel all of us to be something we are not naturally?  Your type has given us George W&#8230;billary, Guiliani, Nixon, LBJ&#8230;..all sickos who have worked to destroy the fabric of this coutnry.</p>
<p>you state lies here:<br />
&#8220;I know that many from both sides of the aisle would welcome a party based around those ideas(less government intrusion).&#8221;</p>
<p>If you have investigated the presidential debates commission <a href="http://www.debates.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.debates.org/</a><br />
and if you had ever worked on any third party campaign or investigated on on a national level you&#8217;d know that up and down the road to the presidency the dems and repubs have 100% blocked any feasible way, short of a billion dollar campaign, of a thrid party system getting into the televised debates and onto all of the state ballots&#8230;In fact I cannot believe that you as a professional political reporter do not know this&#8230;after all this has little to do with my profession and my limited experiences in the field and historical knowledge make this truth undeniable.</p>
<p>To pretend otherwise shows you suck as a journalist or you are a shill.</p>
<p>Ron Paul knows these facts and thus he is not about to pass up his present opportunity to appear in 5 or 6 more nationally televised appearances&#8230;to do so would be stupid&#8230;if you don&#8217;t understand this then you are either a crappy political analyst or a shill&#8230;I have no idea whether or not he will change his mind after all the debates and run as a third party, but to do anything but continue on his current course at this juncture would be political suicide and you surely know this. as it is 65% of the coutnry doesn&#8217;t vote..if his quickly growning campaign can convince half of this group to vote for him he&#8217;d win in a landslide&#8230;that may be unliekyl, but it isn&#8217;t impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: phillip</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381005</link>
		<dc:creator>phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people do not have the option of changing their party, then what good is their party?  People like Ron Paul offer a 'nudge' to the party.  It tells political leaders which way the party should be heading.  This, obviously, does not mean he will win the nomination (on the contrary, it means he probably wont) but it's a big job (and often under respected).  If ANYONE today could both change the direction of a party AND win the nomination, it would be Ron Paul.  Not because of 'him' exactly, but because of his supporters.  

I view Ron Paul more as a 'test' for the Republican party.  He is forcing them to adhere to their 'ideals'.  If they choose not to, then they lose (and a third party does become viable...sorta).   

I think that his candidacy is great!  Regardless of his chances.   I am willing to donate time, money and resources to help this guy keep going.  I want to back him as a way to tell the party I was raised on, the party I voted in, and the party I always backed: "Stop putting up untrustworthy slimeball's!!"   

I have been a republican since my father took me with him to vote in '84.  Before I'd heard of Ron Paul, I had started looking at Dems.....thank God for Ron Paul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people do not have the option of changing their party, then what good is their party?  People like Ron Paul offer a &#8216;nudge&#8217; to the party.  It tells political leaders which way the party should be heading.  This, obviously, does not mean he will win the nomination (on the contrary, it means he probably wont) but it&#8217;s a big job (and often under respected).  If ANYONE today could both change the direction of a party AND win the nomination, it would be Ron Paul.  Not because of &#8216;him&#8217; exactly, but because of his supporters.  </p>
<p>I view Ron Paul more as a &#8216;test&#8217; for the Republican party.  He is forcing them to adhere to their &#8216;ideals&#8217;.  If they choose not to, then they lose (and a third party does become viable&#8230;sorta).   </p>
<p>I think that his candidacy is great!  Regardless of his chances.   I am willing to donate time, money and resources to help this guy keep going.  I want to back him as a way to tell the party I was raised on, the party I voted in, and the party I always backed: &#8220;Stop putting up untrustworthy slimeball&#8217;s!!&#8221;   </p>
<p>I have been a republican since my father took me with him to vote in &#8216;84.  Before I&#8217;d heard of Ron Paul, I had started looking at Dems&#8230;..thank God for Ron Paul!</p>
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		<title>By: vanderleun</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381003</link>
		<dc:creator>vanderleun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another believer in porcine aviation is heard from.</description>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/22/ron-paul-realism-question-4-of-7/#comment-381002</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well, then does anybody really think he has a shot at overtaking the GOP?"

Yes.  The Republican Party is disintegrating, and Ron Paul's support is growing exponentially.  Voter turnout in the primaries is anemic.  If all of Ron Paul's supporters re-register as Republicans (not that hard to do), and turn out to vote at 3 or 4 or 5 times the rate of other candidates' supporters, he can win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, then does anybody really think he has a shot at overtaking the GOP?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  The Republican Party is disintegrating, and Ron Paul&#8217;s support is growing exponentially.  Voter turnout in the primaries is anemic.  If all of Ron Paul&#8217;s supporters re-register as Republicans (not that hard to do), and turn out to vote at 3 or 4 or 5 times the rate of other candidates&#8217; supporters, he can win.</p>
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