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	<title>Comments on: Ron Paul Realism: Question 7 of 7</title>
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		<title>By: important note</title>
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		<dc:creator>important note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many states have a &quot;sore loser law&quot; which keeps an unsuccessful primary candidate from running again in the general election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many states have a &#8220;sore loser law&#8221; which keeps an unsuccessful primary candidate from running again in the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: Randohr</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381511</link>
		<dc:creator>Randohr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a song that captures, in my opinion, the essence of the Ron Paul movement.  It has no production quality yet, and is written to be added to, one verse at a time, by anyone.  My goal is to have 100 verses (by contribution) by Nov.08.  Check it out...Long live the Republic
www.MySpace.com/Randohr   
&quot;Hope for America-Ron Paul&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a song that captures, in my opinion, the essence of the Ron Paul movement.  It has no production quality yet, and is written to be added to, one verse at a time, by anyone.  My goal is to have 100 verses (by contribution) by Nov.08.  Check it out&#8230;Long live the Republic<br />
<a href="http://www.MySpace.com/Randohr" >http://www.MySpace.com/Randohr</a><br />
&#8220;Hope for America-Ron Paul&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Louis DeVlugt</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381491</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis DeVlugt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at Princeton University last night and, posted in huge letters at a local Wawa store near the campus are the words &quot;WHO IS RON PAUL?&quot;  I didn&#039;t see anything for any other candidates anywhere around.  Says a lot....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at Princeton University last night and, posted in huge letters at a local Wawa store near the campus are the words &#8220;WHO IS RON PAUL?&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t see anything for any other candidates anywhere around.  Says a lot&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Berlin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381486</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Berlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHECK OUT MY NEW RON PAUL BLOG! www.ronpaulbearer.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHECK OUT MY NEW RON PAUL BLOG! <a href="http://www.ronpaulbearer.com" >http://www.ronpaulbearer.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Randohr</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381480</link>
		<dc:creator>Randohr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Paul is a Republican and by all accounts has a &quot;fair&quot; chance of winning the Republican party nod.  The Unity ticket would better serve Mrs. Clinton after she losses the Democratic nomination.  We NEED to get the word out NOW!!!  The primaries are being pushed up, this obviously lessens the time we have to get Dr. Pauls message to the masses.  Without the one major media org. helping (abc, nbc, cbs, cnn,etc...), it is an up hill battle by design.  These are the rules of engagement, lets roll!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Paul is a Republican and by all accounts has a &#8220;fair&#8221; chance of winning the Republican party nod.  The Unity ticket would better serve Mrs. Clinton after she losses the Democratic nomination.  We NEED to get the word out NOW!!!  The primaries are being pushed up, this obviously lessens the time we have to get Dr. Pauls message to the masses.  Without the one major media org. helping (abc, nbc, cbs, cnn,etc&#8230;), it is an up hill battle by design.  These are the rules of engagement, lets roll!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul has said he will not run as a third party candidate.  That&#039;s a good thing because if he did, it would lead to a definate win for the democrates.  He&#039;s got to win the Republican nomination in order to have a chance.  That&#039;s the reality of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul has said he will not run as a third party candidate.  That&#8217;s a good thing because if he did, it would lead to a definate win for the democrates.  He&#8217;s got to win the Republican nomination in order to have a chance.  That&#8217;s the reality of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tannim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tannim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Daniel, for the kind words.  I admittedly don&#039;t know squat about the &#039;72 race as I was in utero at the time and media reports in there were sketchy at best. :)

Some other notes from other comments here:

The CP and LP will not combine anytime soon for one reason: religion.  The CP tends to bring it into the equation while the LP tends to leave it out, and that will keep them separate.

Greg M is right in that Paul going third party puts his House seat in trouble.  Twits like Eric Dondero would love that.

Nice to see Steve Dasbach around.  Steve, what have you been up to since you left the LNC-EDship?

Paul-Kucinich would never work as they are polar opposites when it comes to power of government and its use.

Ditto Paul-Lieberman.  Rumor has it that Lieberman may be tapped to be the new AG for Junior to swing the Senate to the Rs after the R CT Governor appoints a R in his place, thereby shutting down all investigations in the Senate into the Bush regime.

Keep up the good fight, all, and victory in Texas Saturday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Daniel, for the kind words.  I admittedly don&#8217;t know squat about the &#8217;72 race as I was in utero at the time and media reports in there were sketchy at best. :)</p>
<p>Some other notes from other comments here:</p>
<p>The CP and LP will not combine anytime soon for one reason: religion.  The CP tends to bring it into the equation while the LP tends to leave it out, and that will keep them separate.</p>
<p>Greg M is right in that Paul going third party puts his House seat in trouble.  Twits like Eric Dondero would love that.</p>
<p>Nice to see Steve Dasbach around.  Steve, what have you been up to since you left the LNC-EDship?</p>
<p>Paul-Kucinich would never work as they are polar opposites when it comes to power of government and its use.</p>
<p>Ditto Paul-Lieberman.  Rumor has it that Lieberman may be tapped to be the new AG for Junior to swing the Senate to the Rs after the R CT Governor appoints a R in his place, thereby shutting down all investigations in the Senate into the Bush regime.</p>
<p>Keep up the good fight, all, and victory in Texas Saturday!</p>
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		<title>By: corporationsR4weenies</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381469</link>
		<dc:creator>corporationsR4weenies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care what party Ron Paul is in. The rest of the R and D candidates are mostly backed by the international corporate banking families that want to see One World Government, under UN (corporate) control. Ron Paul is the only one I would consider to be a Republican. The other R and D candidates are all corporate representatives and should be placed under the new &quot;Corporate&quot; party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what party Ron Paul is in. The rest of the R and D candidates are mostly backed by the international corporate banking families that want to see One World Government, under UN (corporate) control. Ron Paul is the only one I would consider to be a Republican. The other R and D candidates are all corporate representatives and should be placed under the new &#8220;Corporate&#8221; party.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8220;Ron Paul Realism&#8221; Posts</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381464</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8220;Ron Paul Realism&#8221; Posts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Paul Realism: Question 7 of 7 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381459</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
-- John Quincy Adams (American 6th US President (1825-29), eldest son of John Adams, 2nd US president. 1767-1848) 

I&#039;ll take his advice rather than yours about what is a &#039;waste&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.<br />
&#8211; John Quincy Adams (American 6th US President (1825-29), eldest son of John Adams, 2nd US president. 1767-1848) </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take his advice rather than yours about what is a &#8216;waste&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sincerely hope that all of Ron Paul&#039;s supporters would write him in if he doesn&#039;t win the GOP nomination or run in a 3rd party.  I myself will be voting for him regardless of his party affiliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope that all of Ron Paul&#8217;s supporters would write him in if he doesn&#8217;t win the GOP nomination or run in a 3rd party.  I myself will be voting for him regardless of his party affiliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt C</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-2/#comment-381452</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone made me a convincing argument that first-past-the-post elections will always tend toward a two-party system. If you want third parties to be anything other than footnotes, work on getting a proportional voting system in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone made me a convincing argument that first-past-the-post elections will always tend toward a two-party system. If you want third parties to be anything other than footnotes, work on getting a proportional voting system in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg M</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/08/29/ron-paul-realism-question-7-of-7/comment-page-1/#comment-381443</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unity 08 claims the ability to achieve 50 state access, but I am not confident they have a full handle on how challenging it is to achieve this for a non major party candidate/organization. Millions of dollars would be required and lots of people and labor and time. California alone would be a very difficult, but necessary undertaking.

Rather than Unity 08, combining efforts with the the two political cousins, the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, their ballot lines would make baloot access possible for most states, but there are still a few that present real challenges. Oklahoma could be achieved via a non-partisan run, however its petitioning requirements are steep by anyone&#039;s estimation. 

Assuming Dr. Paul did not make such a decision before the primaries, there are also other  obstacles in the few states that consider &quot;sore loser laws&quot; still to apply to presidential races. (South Dakota, Mississippi, Ohio and Texas) However, most experts think that previous historica election precedent would likely be upheld over those state&#039;s attempts to block his ballot position - although it is not guaranteed. 

Unity 08 also blissfully ignores the fact that candidates of entirely different philosophical approaches to governance would not find it easy, if even possible to run together. Some have bandied about the idea of a Paul/Kucinich Unity 08 run as they both are against the Iraq war and find some agreement on issues petaining to civil liberties - but considering that Paul is  a Constitutionalist limited government type and Kucinich is a progressive socialist type, their policy positions diverge sharply from there in opposite directions. They both seem like nice men, personality wise, but how they could run for office together on a presidential ticket escapes my imagination.

Unity 08 seems built for candidates who would stand for practically nothing - together. (But don&#039;t we have that already in good measure in the two major parties?)

Bottom line is the supporters of Ron Paul and constitutional government need to use every moment now to build support for his candidacy regardless of what he chooses to do. Right now, as much as I am not a eager devotee of the elephant shrine, the GOP run provides him the best platform for his message. 

Did I also mention that his re-election race for his House seat would likely be threatened  if he went Third party and/or Independent? Assuming his bid for the White House fails, the loss of him in the U.S. House as well would not be insignificant to the cause of liberty.

Sometimes it seems there really is no easy (or even moderately hard) path. Nevertheless, giving up is not an option if our nation is to have hope for the future. Dr. Paul is the best candidate I have seen running for the office of president in my lifetime. He is a far better candidate than he was in 1988. His many years of constitutionally dedicated public service, his example of faithfulness to his oath of office and his proven dedication to the cause of liberty is simply unmatched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unity 08 claims the ability to achieve 50 state access, but I am not confident they have a full handle on how challenging it is to achieve this for a non major party candidate/organization. Millions of dollars would be required and lots of people and labor and time. California alone would be a very difficult, but necessary undertaking.</p>
<p>Rather than Unity 08, combining efforts with the the two political cousins, the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, their ballot lines would make baloot access possible for most states, but there are still a few that present real challenges. Oklahoma could be achieved via a non-partisan run, however its petitioning requirements are steep by anyone&#8217;s estimation. </p>
<p>Assuming Dr. Paul did not make such a decision before the primaries, there are also other  obstacles in the few states that consider &#8220;sore loser laws&#8221; still to apply to presidential races. (South Dakota, Mississippi, Ohio and Texas) However, most experts think that previous historica election precedent would likely be upheld over those state&#8217;s attempts to block his ballot position &#8211; although it is not guaranteed. </p>
<p>Unity 08 also blissfully ignores the fact that candidates of entirely different philosophical approaches to governance would not find it easy, if even possible to run together. Some have bandied about the idea of a Paul/Kucinich Unity 08 run as they both are against the Iraq war and find some agreement on issues petaining to civil liberties &#8211; but considering that Paul is  a Constitutionalist limited government type and Kucinich is a progressive socialist type, their policy positions diverge sharply from there in opposite directions. They both seem like nice men, personality wise, but how they could run for office together on a presidential ticket escapes my imagination.</p>
<p>Unity 08 seems built for candidates who would stand for practically nothing &#8211; together. (But don&#8217;t we have that already in good measure in the two major parties?)</p>
<p>Bottom line is the supporters of Ron Paul and constitutional government need to use every moment now to build support for his candidacy regardless of what he chooses to do. Right now, as much as I am not a eager devotee of the elephant shrine, the GOP run provides him the best platform for his message. </p>
<p>Did I also mention that his re-election race for his House seat would likely be threatened  if he went Third party and/or Independent? Assuming his bid for the White House fails, the loss of him in the U.S. House as well would not be insignificant to the cause of liberty.</p>
<p>Sometimes it seems there really is no easy (or even moderately hard) path. Nevertheless, giving up is not an option if our nation is to have hope for the future. Dr. Paul is the best candidate I have seen running for the office of president in my lifetime. He is a far better candidate than he was in 1988. His many years of constitutionally dedicated public service, his example of faithfulness to his oath of office and his proven dedication to the cause of liberty is simply unmatched.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops  Correction I mean 1976 with Reagan</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Third Party Run is hocus pocus crap spewed out by those that want to marginalize Ron Paul.   They tried to pull the same thing on Ronald Reagan in 1986 and he refused. Of course, Ford ultimately won the primary, but Reagan came so close to knocking off a seated President.

Ron Paul will win the nomination - there is no other Republican candidate out there that creates enthusiasm like Ron Paul.  

Every day the campaign gets more votes, more support and more money.  Everyone else is losing support and sure the heck is not getting any money.

Ron Paul 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Third Party Run is hocus pocus crap spewed out by those that want to marginalize Ron Paul.   They tried to pull the same thing on Ronald Reagan in 1986 and he refused. Of course, Ford ultimately won the primary, but Reagan came so close to knocking off a seated President.</p>
<p>Ron Paul will win the nomination &#8211; there is no other Republican candidate out there that creates enthusiasm like Ron Paul.  </p>
<p>Every day the campaign gets more votes, more support and more money.  Everyone else is losing support and sure the heck is not getting any money.</p>
<p>Ron Paul 2008</p>
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		<title>By: chaosgone</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaosgone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A  third party team of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich would be a good match up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  third party team of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich would be a good match up.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am somewhat skeptical of the Unity &#039;08 claim of covering all of the expense and red tape of getting on all 50 ballots. It doesn&#039;t stop with the costs of filing and petition drives. Many of these ballot petitions are subject to validation by the two main parties and usually involves an expensive law suit in order to validate sufficient signatures. Just ask Nader.

Dr. Paul should stay right where he is. So many years of Republicans and Democrats writing the rules of elections, not to mention incumbency, name recognition and free press coupled with the winner-take-all election format have put institutional barriers in place such that make a third party win all but impossible unless a significant percentage of ELECTED Democrats and/or Republicans jump ship in favor of the new party. Even then, the new party will eventually replace one of the old two partys and you once again have a two party situation. What ever happend to the Whigs?

I have no illusions of Dr. Paul winning the nomination. But the message is more important than the individual. As a republican Dr. Paul receives some measure of legitimacy to libertarian ideology. He is already elected and established at the national level and as an established national party member, is poised in the best position to bring attention to the all important message of liberty that has been forgotten over the 20th century. 

Dr. Paul took 9% in Iowa as a Republican. While this doesn&#039;t mean he should start making plans to move into the White House, it does now make us a force that the Republican establishment must recognize. Contemporary presidential elections are won by a slim majority of electoral votes and 1 to 2% of popular votes. We are an unruly and unyeilding bunch most of whom will not support another republican if Paul does not get the nod. If the republicans want us (they need us!) they are going to have to dance to a few more of our tunes and I believe this was one of the primary reasons for Dr. Paul running knowing full well the entire contest would be uphill. 

Because unlike nearly every other candidate from both parties, Dr. Paul&#039;s campaign is not about an attraction to power or stroking his own ego, it&#039;s about the message and while we may not like the Democrats and Republicans, it is only through them that this message can reach it&#039;s full potential.

Honestly, would any of us, or the media, or myspace or You Tube be wasting this much time and brainpower on the rantings of Libertarian Candidate Ron Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am somewhat skeptical of the Unity &#8217;08 claim of covering all of the expense and red tape of getting on all 50 ballots. It doesn&#8217;t stop with the costs of filing and petition drives. Many of these ballot petitions are subject to validation by the two main parties and usually involves an expensive law suit in order to validate sufficient signatures. Just ask Nader.</p>
<p>Dr. Paul should stay right where he is. So many years of Republicans and Democrats writing the rules of elections, not to mention incumbency, name recognition and free press coupled with the winner-take-all election format have put institutional barriers in place such that make a third party win all but impossible unless a significant percentage of ELECTED Democrats and/or Republicans jump ship in favor of the new party. Even then, the new party will eventually replace one of the old two partys and you once again have a two party situation. What ever happend to the Whigs?</p>
<p>I have no illusions of Dr. Paul winning the nomination. But the message is more important than the individual. As a republican Dr. Paul receives some measure of legitimacy to libertarian ideology. He is already elected and established at the national level and as an established national party member, is poised in the best position to bring attention to the all important message of liberty that has been forgotten over the 20th century. </p>
<p>Dr. Paul took 9% in Iowa as a Republican. While this doesn&#8217;t mean he should start making plans to move into the White House, it does now make us a force that the Republican establishment must recognize. Contemporary presidential elections are won by a slim majority of electoral votes and 1 to 2% of popular votes. We are an unruly and unyeilding bunch most of whom will not support another republican if Paul does not get the nod. If the republicans want us (they need us!) they are going to have to dance to a few more of our tunes and I believe this was one of the primary reasons for Dr. Paul running knowing full well the entire contest would be uphill. </p>
<p>Because unlike nearly every other candidate from both parties, Dr. Paul&#8217;s campaign is not about an attraction to power or stroking his own ego, it&#8217;s about the message and while we may not like the Democrats and Republicans, it is only through them that this message can reach it&#8217;s full potential.</p>
<p>Honestly, would any of us, or the media, or myspace or You Tube be wasting this much time and brainpower on the rantings of Libertarian Candidate Ron Paul?</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Third party is the only way that the mainstream neocons stay in power. The war in Iraq,  Kosovo, the war on poverty, the war on drugs, the corporatism of of the K street gang of 100million dollar special interest candidates.  It is sad that the politics of Newt and the immoral charlatans including the failure of the fourth estate don&#039;t expose the money behind the campaigns.  In the quest for easy answers and sound bites hides the real issue of the financing of the political monarchical families. The  4 estate is a failure. Until you get  responsible press asking tough questions trouble brews. When Madeline Allbrite  gets a hundreds of million dollar hedge fund infusion from foreign governments and Korbel&#039;s (Albright&#039;s father)prize student is Condoleezza Rice. Look at opensecrets.org to follow the money or do a search of the private equity companies loaded with Bushes, Bakers, Quayle, Snow, Romney,  Boggs, Gore, Major. See the $$ in politics from media, telecommunications to military industrial complex. NO THE ONLY WAY IS THE WAY RON PAUL IS DOING IT NOW.  Clinton would have never been elected if Ross Perot did not divide votes.. The elections in this country are a republic and there are two many barrier preventing true democracy.  It is hard work to support Ron Paul. His plan to simplify the campaign to liberty may work but Doctor Know is asking you to understand Bastiat, Thomas Aquinas, Jefferson, Wilson, and most importantly Keynes vs. Hayek arguments.  Third party candidates get the straightjacket treatment and are demonized. Ask yourself what you think of Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, George Wallace, Strom Thurmond, Pat Buchanan.  In modern times Perot elected Clinton, and you could have a very good argument that  Thurmond  may have put Truman in and Nader certainly helped Bush in extremely tight election.  Your Unity 08 ticket is in this election Hillary 08.  Now would a Ron Paul, Joe Lieberman  ticket accomplish the same thing?  That would shake the DNC and RNC to the core.  The 4 estate still controls the discourse which is another discussion altogether. It really seems to me that  Bill Moyers and Johnson ability to make Goldwater the threat or Kennedy, Nixon beauty contest  is norm in the minds of the political industry of spin misters and pollsters.     I love the flow of ideas on the web and hope it can influence intelligent discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Third party is the only way that the mainstream neocons stay in power. The war in Iraq,  Kosovo, the war on poverty, the war on drugs, the corporatism of of the K street gang of 100million dollar special interest candidates.  It is sad that the politics of Newt and the immoral charlatans including the failure of the fourth estate don&#8217;t expose the money behind the campaigns.  In the quest for easy answers and sound bites hides the real issue of the financing of the political monarchical families. The  4 estate is a failure. Until you get  responsible press asking tough questions trouble brews. When Madeline Allbrite  gets a hundreds of million dollar hedge fund infusion from foreign governments and Korbel&#8217;s (Albright&#8217;s father)prize student is Condoleezza Rice. Look at opensecrets.org to follow the money or do a search of the private equity companies loaded with Bushes, Bakers, Quayle, Snow, Romney,  Boggs, Gore, Major. See the $$ in politics from media, telecommunications to military industrial complex. NO THE ONLY WAY IS THE WAY RON PAUL IS DOING IT NOW.  Clinton would have never been elected if Ross Perot did not divide votes.. The elections in this country are a republic and there are two many barrier preventing true democracy.  It is hard work to support Ron Paul. His plan to simplify the campaign to liberty may work but Doctor Know is asking you to understand Bastiat, Thomas Aquinas, Jefferson, Wilson, and most importantly Keynes vs. Hayek arguments.  Third party candidates get the straightjacket treatment and are demonized. Ask yourself what you think of Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, George Wallace, Strom Thurmond, Pat Buchanan.  In modern times Perot elected Clinton, and you could have a very good argument that  Thurmond  may have put Truman in and Nader certainly helped Bush in extremely tight election.  Your Unity 08 ticket is in this election Hillary 08.  Now would a Ron Paul, Joe Lieberman  ticket accomplish the same thing?  That would shake the DNC and RNC to the core.  The 4 estate still controls the discourse which is another discussion altogether. It really seems to me that  Bill Moyers and Johnson ability to make Goldwater the threat or Kennedy, Nixon beauty contest  is norm in the minds of the political industry of spin misters and pollsters.     I love the flow of ideas on the web and hope it can influence intelligent discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One thing that does puzzle me is why any of you would want to win the GOP nomination ...&quot;

I suspect you&#039;re perpetually puzzled, poor thing.

Why doesn&#039;t McCain run on a 3rd party ticket, or Guiliani?  Neither has a chance to win on the GOP ticket.  

Conservatives won&#039;t vote for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing that does puzzle me is why any of you would want to win the GOP nomination &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re perpetually puzzled, poor thing.</p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t McCain run on a 3rd party ticket, or Guiliani?  Neither has a chance to win on the GOP ticket.  </p>
<p>Conservatives won&#8217;t vote for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Unity 08 can deliver the clout that they promise, then they should just get behind Ron Paul from this day forward and do everything they can to get him elected on the Republican ticket. I have never heard of Unity 08 before today. Doesn&#039;t Dr. Paul have enough of a name recognition problem as it is without siding with a party that even a lifelong Libertarian has never heard of? If Unity 08 believes that they can get Dr. Paul elected, then they need to get cracking and put their money where their mouth is. After all, are they more concerned about their party or getting these ideas in power?

If Dr. Paul doesn&#039;t get the nomination, I doubt very seriously if he will elect to run on a third party ticket again. Been there, done that. He knows full well that the stonewalling he&#039;s getting from the media these days is absolutely nothing compared to the universal ignoring that is inflicted upon third party candidates. Remember, he ran as a Libertarian in 1988. He had the same ideas then as he does now, but he couldn&#039;t get himself heard. Our best chance is to get him heard and to do that he needs to be affiliated with one of the Big Two. He has worked for the past long and hard to get himself into this position. Switching parties and then running immediately would have effected his credibility. But now he&#039;s a longtime Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Unity 08 can deliver the clout that they promise, then they should just get behind Ron Paul from this day forward and do everything they can to get him elected on the Republican ticket. I have never heard of Unity 08 before today. Doesn&#8217;t Dr. Paul have enough of a name recognition problem as it is without siding with a party that even a lifelong Libertarian has never heard of? If Unity 08 believes that they can get Dr. Paul elected, then they need to get cracking and put their money where their mouth is. After all, are they more concerned about their party or getting these ideas in power?</p>
<p>If Dr. Paul doesn&#8217;t get the nomination, I doubt very seriously if he will elect to run on a third party ticket again. Been there, done that. He knows full well that the stonewalling he&#8217;s getting from the media these days is absolutely nothing compared to the universal ignoring that is inflicted upon third party candidates. Remember, he ran as a Libertarian in 1988. He had the same ideas then as he does now, but he couldn&#8217;t get himself heard. Our best chance is to get him heard and to do that he needs to be affiliated with one of the Big Two. He has worked for the past long and hard to get himself into this position. Switching parties and then running immediately would have effected his credibility. But now he&#8217;s a longtime Republican.</p>
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