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S.W. Anderson, you bet your ass I am overcome with cynicism. I devoted my energies, time, money and heartache to the Democratic party for the last 9 years. I feel absolutely betrayed, ignored and belittled. What use is a party that espouses liberal policy but abets, supports and enacts a conservative agenda?

Where’s the Democrats when it comes to demanding a change and action in the environmental policies of America? Talk is cheap! I’ve heard the Democrats “talk” about the environment for over 12 friggen years. I want actions. Action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Action goddamn it!

The war in Iraq. We are still there. We have the leading Democratic hopeful speaking in terms of our presents in Iraq in decades! Deca, latin root meaning 10. Ten f’king years more of this sh.it? NO! I don’t think so. The Democrats should have immediately shutdown the floor of congress and stopped the wheels of this slimy oily war as soon as they were voted into the majority in both houses. Period, no excuses! Action! I wanted to see acts of bravery and solidarity, resolute in the power knowing that this war, the Iraq war is one of the most un-American wars in this country’s history. But what did we get instead? A bunch of f’king congressional wrangling, a whole sh.itload of musical chairs and mock trials of accountability. Please!!!!!!!! Nothing this corrupt administration has done has been made to account for any of it’s illegal activities. Zilch! Notta! Not a f’king person or corporation has been held to the fire for their utterly un-Constitutional, venal, evil, utterly reprehensible actions.

S.W. Anderson. You are a sucker! not a lover of Democracy. You are a G’damn sheep like the rest of this spineless collective you call a “Democratic” party. If lining your pockets with corporate money in order to gain the most powerful seat in the halls of this government while absolutely
shirking your duty, your DUTY as a “representative and defender” of the Constitution of these United States, then yes! I suppose you could call yourself one of those. Not me though, not anymore.

Heh. I remember so well my parents grumbling about having to choose the lesser of evils when the choice was between Kennedy and Nixon.

Gerry, Jeremy seems to be overcome with cynicism. Try not to let that happen to you. Beleive me, there are choices and they are meaningful. I have reservations about Hillary Clinton, especially where trade and making nice with corporate interests is concerned. Even so, even if my worst reservations turn out to be justified, she’d still make a much better president than any of the GOP candidates.

As for Ron Paul, what can you say about someone who wants to do away with social security and get rid of NASA?

“. . . unfortunately there is only one truly democratic country in the northern hemisphere, and that is Canada.”

What about Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Greenland, the Netherlands, Belgium. France, Germany, Italy and the United Kingdom?

If you meant the Western Hemisphere, check out Bermuda, Costa Rica and Mexico (lots of corruption, but it is a democracy).

It is also why it is critical that state parties stop trying to play leapfrog with teh primaries–candidates are compelled to campaign every where at ridiculous costs just to meet some state party officials egos.

The beauty of the Iowa and New Hampshire caucus and primary is there we had a small, dedicated, knowledgable group of people who took their positions as early electors seriously and it gave a chance to smaller campaigns to make a splash, thus enabling later caucus and primary voters to think, “Hey, maybe this guy is valid…”

The long campaigns and big money finally resulted in the big money squawk boxes to negate this system that had worked for years during the 2000 election.

Solid candidates like Bill Bradley for the Democrats and John McCain for the Republicans were barely able to give it a go. I can remember thinking back then that there was no way Bush II would ever get elected–c’mon, former coke-head, couldn’t string two-words together, refused to answer any questions, had no discernable policies, just barely more than one-term governor, uterly failed businessman, ne’erdowell who only achieved success due to family connections–I mean, who would vote for this guy?

But the writing was on the wall even then–the big money smear campaigns against Bradley by Gore and McCain by Bush actually worked. We didn’t always have great choices before this, but we did have choices.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/67707/

S.W. Anderson, I am quite aware of Ron Paul’s “full agenda.” I’m no Republican or Libertarian for that matter, I am a left, left, all the way left Liberal. Labels don’t suit life well, but if I had to label myself, that’s me. There are a lot of things about Ron Paul, in fact, almost everything about Ron Paul I don’t agree with. There is one thing however that I am in 100% agreement with him on, and that is that America needs to stop starting wars and being an aggressor. The Iraq war is completely antithetical to the principles that America espouses. I know these principles have never really been practice by America but we can at least agree America needs to pretend we support justice and democracy.

I know voting for Ron Paul is not in my best interest, or at least that is my opinion. However, I am so utterly sickened and disgusted by the way the Democratic party has rolled over and bent over backwards for one of the most corrupt and tyrannical administration sin this country’s history. I will vote for a Republican that is ironically espousing the most important policy of which the Democrats should be espousing with fervor. The end of the Iraq war. Since the Democrats fail to hold this current president accountable, for utterly unconscionable behavior, i.e. spying on Americans, support torture and waging wars of aggression in the name of profit–I am obliged to vote for a Republican just to so how goddamn sick I am by these
supposed Democrat’s actions.

I figure I can always move to a real democratic country if I have to, unfortunately there is only one truly democratic country in the northern hemisphere, and that is Canada. America has sold its soul for the pursuit of money. We don’t even pretend to pay homage to principle anymore.

Lest you think otherwise, I am not a Ron Paulian in any stretch of the imagination. And in case anyone has forgotten. Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian candidate in the 80s. Finding out the difficulties inherent in running a third-party ticket Ron Paul has figured out the only way to get elected in a two-party monopolized political system is to label one self as a member of one of those parties. Ron Paul is not a GOPer, he is a Libertarian through and through. A Libertarian is no different to me than a conservative Republican, but if voting for a Libertarian like Ron Paul will send a message to the Democrats, then that’s what I will do.

I’ve been a liberal Democrat for my entire political life. No more! Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians. They are all the same to me. None of these parties get it. Two of these parties hold a tyrannical hold on the democratic workings of this country. It’s not about what right for America or the world. It’s all about money. Like ancient Greece after its short flirtation with pure democracy, America’s flirtation was never even realized. Everything can be bought off with money. There facade of integrity has no clothes. I’m done with even caring. I’ll vote for some sh.t head Libertarian just to spite these cowardly sheep that call themselves “Democrats.” Nothing but a bunch of spineless crooks, the whole lot of them.

I’m sure you like Ron Paul’s position on the war. If you were or are any kind of liberal and/or Democrat, you’d better do your homework on the rest of Paul’s agenda. On a lot of things Paul makes Grover Norquist look like a wingnut piker.

Way overstated. It’s absolutely true that in politics money talks and big money gets heard when nobody else does. It’s true corporate and other big-money interests have entirely too much influence.

But only Republicans have put a small army of corporate lackies in high-level agency positions. Only Republicans have let corporate executives and lobbyists actually write legislation and dump it in the hopper, as if they were elected representatives of the people — something I think should be a criminal offense. Only Republicans have set things up so that outfits like Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown & Root and Blackwater can literally loot the federal treasury and get away with it.

Don’t try to tell me the three Democrats I mentioned are owned by corporate interests; they are not. Biden, BTW, is very strong for publicly financed elections and has been a co-sponsor of legislation seeking to make that happen. If I’m not mistaken, Kucinich and Edwards also support that reform. I have supported it for years. It’s the best possibility there is for getting our democracy back to representing the people as a whole again.

How quickly we forget. At this point in the 2003 proceedings, Howard Dean was the front runner among Democrats and considered sure to clinch the nomination. John Kerry didn’t stand a chance.

Would I bet my last buck on Biden, Dodd or Kucinich being the Dems’ nominee? No, but the do have a chance.

Let’s face it, these people are NEVER going to vote away their access to this money, so we will NEVER have meaningful campaign finance reform. Without it, we will continue to get candidates like Ratso Rudy and Ms. Bill. (Does anyone know anybody who really wants to see Hillary nominated?; I have yet to find one person who prefers her, yet she keeps leading in national polls. Is it possible the pollsters are asking Republicans posing as Democrats?)

The answer to all this? Danged if I know. Supposedly, we get the candidates we deserve. If so, we must be the world’s biggest losers.

I can’t tell you how accurate the above statement is. I’m literally brought to sickness by the state of our country. What is most sickening is the utter inability and purposeful ignorance of the government to recognize the record high digust being exhibitted by the majority of Americans. It’s a feeling of total hopelessness. Two parties fighting for power while America rots and atrophies. While the politicians pretend to actually care about this country they are certain to what is best for them, every time.

I used to be a proud Democrat, but not anoymore. As far as I am concerned the Democrats no longer respresent liberal policy, they have ceded our civil liberties and voted for their own interest without fail, while refusing to defend the Consitution and hold Bush responsible. They’ve done nothing! I voted them into the majority last November and they have proven to me and other Americans that they are just as corrupt and ineffectual as their Republican counterparts.

It’s time for for parties in this country–two capitialistic, corrupt, self-serving parties are not representing the American peoples’ will. If it is clear that Hilliary is going to win the Democrat presidential bid I will vote for Ron Paul, a Republican. And how fu-ken sad that is! that a “Republican” more faithfully represents my ideals than the Democratic party.

The Democratic party has not delivered what they promised, and end to this war. The undying defnse of civil liberties. They have caved and capitulated like a bunch of fu-king cowards. I’m sick of it! Absolutely fed up! I want heads to roll, people fired, sentors jailed and the so-called president impeached! And so should the rest of America goddamnit.

But then again, suppose they hold an election & no one comes? Since the wackos will be charged up over their wacko, Rudy will win. Then there will be no elections in 2012. So, yes, if that is the choice I face next year, I will again vote for the lesser of two evils & encourage my like minded friends to do the same. Besides, there are usually races that will make a real difference. Charlie Crist, Florida’s new governor, was a definite win-win for us both in the primary & the general. Thank God for RINOs like him.