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	<title>Comments on: Stem Cell Debate Defused?</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Dos</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/11/21/stem-cell-debate-defused/#comment-384546</link>
		<dc:creator>Dos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this the "clockmaker" thing SW?  Jeffersonian pillow-talk I say, a bunch of colonial rabble trying to get laid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the &#8220;clockmaker&#8221; thing SW?  Jeffersonian pillow-talk I say, a bunch of colonial rabble trying to get laid.</p>
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		<title>By: S.W. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/11/21/stem-cell-debate-defused/#comment-384537</link>
		<dc:creator>S.W. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dyre42 and Dos both seem to bypass, maybe too conveniently, the possibility God set things in motion in such a way that mankind could make its existence a relative heaven or hell, depending on attitude and behavior. Set in motion, as opposed to micromanaging everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dyre42 and Dos both seem to bypass, maybe too conveniently, the possibility God set things in motion in such a way that mankind could make its existence a relative heaven or hell, depending on attitude and behavior. Set in motion, as opposed to micromanaging everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Dos</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2007/11/21/stem-cell-debate-defused/#comment-384516</link>
		<dc:creator>Dos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To me that means either one of two things either individuality isn’t imparted by the divine until after the first trimester or that the creator is capricious and cruel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mean the state of most of humanity in Africa and, in fact, the entire history of humanity complete with its atrocities, cruelties, indignities, genocide, starvation, plagues, wars, turmoil, treachery, deceit, natural distasters, exc. aren't (when filtered through your honed lense of reason) enough to draw you to the inevitable conclusion of Satre, "God doesn't exist! The bastard!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To me that means either one of two things either individuality isn’t imparted by the divine until after the first trimester or that the creator is capricious and cruel.</p></blockquote>
<p>You mean the state of most of humanity in Africa and, in fact, the entire history of humanity complete with its atrocities, cruelties, indignities, genocide, starvation, plagues, wars, turmoil, treachery, deceit, natural distasters, exc. aren&#8217;t (when filtered through your honed lense of reason) enough to draw you to the inevitable conclusion of Satre, &#8220;God doesn&#8217;t exist! The bastard!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My support for stem research is similar to my support for first trimester abortion...individuality isn’t imparted by the divine until after the first trimester&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect.  The United States constitution clearly decrees that human individuality is imparted into the foetus when it is "viable outside the womb, albeit with medical attention."  It is also clear that this is defined as the &lt;em&gt;third&lt;/em&gt; trimester.  So says the Black-Robed Ones who decided "Roe vs. Wade."   I'm sorry, but you don't get to vote on this, unless you can convince a supermajority of congress, as well as all state legislatures and governors to repeal the 4th amendment of the Constitution.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This seems to be nature’s way of sparing young families from being burdened with seriously defective offspring.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, and through the inginuity of human intellect, we now have the technology to catch those mistakes that nature allows to slip through the cracks.  Downs syndrome, dwarfism, and cleft-palletes are swiftly becoming a thing of the past thanks to eugenic abortions.  Even homosexuality can be detected in early stages (prior to individuality being imparted, of course), and can now be treated with hormones taken by the soon-to-be mother, eliminating the condition from human society alltogether. 

 We can even screen for genetically superior embryos to implant into the wealthy, who can afford the procedure, so that we can create a new class of genetically superior humans that will inevitably rise to the upper echelons of society. We will even be able to customize our "potential" child's genome with desired characteristics (if you can afford it, of course). 

Hail to the The Black-Robed Ones who reveal to us the voice of the devine and grant us the power to achieve this brave new world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My support for stem research is similar to my support for first trimester abortion&#8230;individuality isn’t imparted by the divine until after the first trimester</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but you are incorrect.  The United States constitution clearly decrees that human individuality is imparted into the foetus when it is &#8220;viable outside the womb, albeit with medical attention.&#8221;  It is also clear that this is defined as the <em>third</em> trimester.  So says the Black-Robed Ones who decided &#8220;Roe vs. Wade.&#8221;   I&#8217;m sorry, but you don&#8217;t get to vote on this, unless you can convince a supermajority of congress, as well as all state legislatures and governors to repeal the 4th amendment of the Constitution.</p>
<blockquote><p>This seems to be nature’s way of sparing young families from being burdened with seriously defective offspring.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and through the inginuity of human intellect, we now have the technology to catch those mistakes that nature allows to slip through the cracks.  Downs syndrome, dwarfism, and cleft-palletes are swiftly becoming a thing of the past thanks to eugenic abortions.  Even homosexuality can be detected in early stages (prior to individuality being imparted, of course), and can now be treated with hormones taken by the soon-to-be mother, eliminating the condition from human society alltogether. </p>
<p> We can even screen for genetically superior embryos to implant into the wealthy, who can afford the procedure, so that we can create a new class of genetically superior humans that will inevitably rise to the upper echelons of society. We will even be able to customize our &#8220;potential&#8221; child&#8217;s genome with desired characteristics (if you can afford it, of course). </p>
<p>Hail to the The Black-Robed Ones who reveal to us the voice of the devine and grant us the power to achieve this brave new world.</p>
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		<title>By: S.W. Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.W. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is indeed an encouraging development. I'm not jumping to assume it will end the objections of religious-right types just yet, though. Time will tell.

Regarding miscarriages and spontaneous abortions. These often come about because the embryo or fetus is seriously abnormal or because the womb isn't right in some way for continuing the pregnancy. 

This seems to be nature's way of sparing young families from being burdened with seriously defective offspring. Caring for a severely abnormal child  is difficult and expensive now. A million years ago, when people had to hunt, fish or forage for every bite of food to stay alive, it could be a burden that threatened the family's survival. That's especially so if a family or tribe had several such children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is indeed an encouraging development. I&#8217;m not jumping to assume it will end the objections of religious-right types just yet, though. Time will tell.</p>
<p>Regarding miscarriages and spontaneous abortions. These often come about because the embryo or fetus is seriously abnormal or because the womb isn&#8217;t right in some way for continuing the pregnancy. </p>
<p>This seems to be nature&#8217;s way of sparing young families from being burdened with seriously defective offspring. Caring for a severely abnormal child  is difficult and expensive now. A million years ago, when people had to hunt, fish or forage for every bite of food to stay alive, it could be a burden that threatened the family&#8217;s survival. That&#8217;s especially so if a family or tribe had several such children.</p>
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